FLDS compound

[JustSkye]

I am well aware of the FLDS. I followed the trials in Utah and Arizona closely and know men marry children, sometimes much older men. The whole thing strikes me as unsavory.
But if the government allows men to marry men and women women, I'm sure something like polygamy can be included under the big tent.
And correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't religious freedom is a cornerstone of this society?
I'm saying the state took those children, over 400 of them, and had no idea whether they were abused or not. I've not read a report of bruised infants or toddlers, of 8-year-old girls sporting shiners.
The state of Texas is saying there are a number of girls who are pregnant and underage. It would appear to me the FLDS retreat is going to be history sooner rather than later.
In the meantime, all those mothers who already may be very anxious to leave are going to be separated from their children. Last I heard, the state was trying to find foster homes for every one of them. How many siblings will be separated? Is this good for them?
Finally, as of this writing no one on Lit, no one, knows if there are families in that compound who played by their own rules and were monogamous. Is that a possibility you have considered.

There, let me rephrase that for you.

So, because we're supposed to have the right to religious freedom, we just let it all be and continue to let the older men drive out the boys so they can continue to marry, rape, and abuse the younger girls, because as they've stated, once they are able to bear children (which for some girls can be as young as 8 or 9), they should be able to have sex with them and marry them to make it a-okay.

Yes, there is a possibility some could be monogomous, but you know what? I'd rather err on the side of addage better to be safe than sorry, and as many have said, not have another Waco. It may not be that extreme, but the women are treated like chattle and have no rights and are threatened with being beaten, or threats to scare them into staying.

That's just so swell and makes for great family living.

 

[Ham Murabi]

There, let me rephrase that for you.

So, because we're supposed to have the right to religious freedom, we just let it all be and continue to let the older men drive out the boys so they can continue to marry, rape, and abuse the younger girls, because as they've stated, once they are able to bear children (which for some girls can be as young as 8 or 9), they should be able to have sex with them and marry them to make it a-okay.

Yes, there is a possibility some could be monogomous, but you know what? I'd rather err on the side of addage better to be safe than sorry, and as many have said, not have another Waco. It may not be that extreme, but the women are treated like chattle and have no rights and are threatened with being beaten, or threats to scare them into staying.

That's just so swell and makes for great family living.

Let me stress again I'm not defending the religion or its practices.
I've heard (no link) that the FLDS amassed much of its fortune milking the welfare system. That makes it a racket as much as a religion.
But there is no burden of proof on the state that I can see that required them to determine who is and isn't being abused. Most of the women are out of the compound. Some of them, perhaps a majority, saw this as a way to get out of an unhappy situation. Why take their children from them?

 

[JustSkye]

Let me stress again I'm not defending the religion or its practices.
I've heard (no link) that the FLDS amassed much of its fortune milking the welfare system. That makes it a racket as much as a religion.
But there is no burden of proof on the state that I can see that required them to determine who is and isn't being abused. Most of the women are out of the compound. Some of them, perhaps a majority, saw this as a way to get out of an unhappy situation. Why take their children from them?

I've read only 18 out of 400 or so have been put into foster care, due to abuse and neglect.
And yes, there have been hundreds of cases where the women have lied to receive benefits of welfare checks and medicaid from the state.

 

[MisterEdMe]

Please remove your US army bases from Okinawa Japan.

Texas has it's own army base in Japan? I'm impressed. And NO!

 

[Le Jacquelope]

If you're paying attention to what's going on in Texas, what's your opinion?
So far the police there have allegedly received a call from a 16-year-old girl who allegedly gave birth at age 15 with the child allegedly fathered by a 50-year-old man in Arizona who has never heard of the girl.
So the cops came in and took ALL the children they could find and many of the women. I think perhaps the women left just so they could keep track of their children. There's no indication in what I've read that they left willingly.

Damn, and I was so CLOSE to getting some.

^^ FYP.

 

[Le Jacquelope]

Please apologize for the Rape of Nanking. Domo arigato gozaimasu, nee-tyan!

Epikku Suuuu-makku daun!!!

 

[MisterEdMe]

Epikku Suuuu-makku daun!!!

Your good. All I can come up with is Nissan, Toyota, and Kawasaki.

 

[Le Jacquelope]

Your good. All I can come up with is Nissan, Toyota, and Kawasaki.

LOL, that was my video game Japanese. I'd write it in katakana but this forum probably isn't compatible.

 

[firespin]

Let me stress again I'm not defending the religion or its practices.
I've heard (no link) that the FLDS amassed much of its fortune milking the welfare system. That makes it a racket as much as a religion.
But there is no burden of proof on the state that I can see that required them to determine who is and isn't being abused. Most of the women are out of the compound. Some of them, perhaps a majority, saw this as a way to get out of an unhappy situation. Why take their children from them?

You're not defending the religion or its practices? You just said a few posts earlier that you want to include polygamy under the big tent. Be honest with yourself, and us.

A fifteen year old girl, with no awareness of the outside world, limited education and no marketable skills, with no social support system of family and friends excepts others in a similar situation, but with (say) two children (possibly as a result of rape by her own father), is not in a position to mother those children.

 

[Cap’n AMatrixca]

Would we dare storm a Madrassa?

 

[firespin]

Would we dare storm a Madrassa?

Here? Or in Pakistan?

Are you suggesting there are other religious compounds, even from non-fraudulent religions (assuming there are such things, and that "bob's church" is a fraudulent religion in all likelihood...), that should be stormed but are not?

 

[Cap’n AMatrixca]

I am asserting that when it comes to polygamy, we have painted ourselves into the same corner that the Democrats (Liberal-wing) have painted themselves into over race...

 

[crazybbwgirl]

I'm all for polygamy. Between CONSENTING ADULTS.
A 14 yr old girl being 'married' off to a 50 yr old man sounds more like statutory rape at best. And yes - I would consider that abuse.

 

[rosco rathbone]

I knew I was sick when I got a boner watching the news about this.

 

[dg]

The 16-year-old girl whose phone call led to the massive raid on a West Texas polygamist compound was repeatedly beaten and sexually abused by her much-older husband, according to state documents released yesterday.

In a March 29 phone call to a local shelter, the girl said she was married to the 49-year-old man at 15 and that she was his seventh wife. She had an eight-month-old baby by him and was pregnant again.

Her husband had a violent temper, she said, and had once beaten her so badly that he broke her ribs. He also had forced himself on her sexually.

She also said she was being held against her will at the Yearn for Zion Ranch, a 1,700-acre compound in Eldorado, Texas, owned by the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, a polygamous sect.

Girls at the YFZ Ranch were groomed from birth to accept spiritual marriages as young teenagers to older men, documents released by the state Family and Protective Services show.

Since Friday, the state has taken 416 children from the compound into protective custody after finding a "pervasive pattern" of sexual abuse of minor girls, according to an affidavit slated to be filed in court today.

The children are in foster care and will be placed in homes over the next few weeks, said Family and Protective Services department spokesman Darrell Azar.

"We found a number of young teenagers who were pregnant and some who had already given birth," he said. "Our investigation determined there was a widespread practice of conditioning young girls and getting them ready to become the spiritual wives of older men and have sex with them."

If this is anything other than abuse we must have different definitions.

 

[KRCummings]

I'm a bit confused why anyone would think they were wrong for getting the kids out of there. It all sounds perfectly legit to me. Young girls being married off to older men against their will and having being forced to have children.
Sure sounds like abuse, statutory rape and who knows what else.

 

[dg]

I'm a bit confused why anyone would think they were wrong for getting the kids out of there. It all sounds perfectly legit to me. Young girls being married off to older men against their will and having being forced to have children.
Sure sounds like abuse, statutory rape and who knows what else.

They did kind of mess with Texas.

 

[KRCummings]

They did kind of mess with Texas.

That's always a risky thing to do.

 

[Vikingstone]

Just another fine example of religions' positive impact on all our lives.

 

[crazybbwgirl]

Just another fine example of religions' positive impact on all our lives.

Amen and pass the amunition.

 

[Vikingstone]

Amen and pass the amunition.

I think that if religion expects to operate with almost total impunity, we should be able to impose church-like penalties in the event of this type of malfeasance...let's burn some motherfuckers at the stake!

 

[KRCummings]

I think that if religion expects to operate with almost total impunity, we should be able to impose church-like penalties in the event of this type of malfeasance...let's burn some motherfuckers at the stake!

They're Mormons. I think you have to shun them or something like that.

 

[Vikingstone]

They're Mormons. I think you have to shun them or something like that.

Hey, they're the ones who chose to live in the dark ages. Now go make a pile of dry sticks, a big one.

 

[richard_daily]

If you're paying attention to what's going on in Texas, what's your opinion?
So far the police there have allegedly received a call from a 16-year-old girl who allegedly gave birth at age 15 with the child allegedly fathered by a 50-year-old man in Arizona who has never heard of the girl.
So the cops came in and took ALL the children they could find and many of the women. I think perhaps the women left just so they could keep track of their children. There's no indication in what I've read that they left willingly.
Now Texas CPS is trying to place the children in foster homes.
Why?
Are the children abused or showing any signs of abuse? If they are that isn't being reported. And the question apparently isn't being asked by the press following the case.
What do you think?

Why?

Are you fucking kidding me?

 

[dg]

Hey, they're the ones who chose to live in the dark ages. Now go make a pile of dry sticks, a big one.

What's dark aged about 8 nubile beauties for each decrepit old perv?