Obama's speech on race

[ksmybuttons]

Funny how his speeches don't talk about specifics, do they? If you already like the guy and are on board you might visit a website but the average voter will hear only the vague platitudes of his speeches.

It doesn't matter anyway, he's not going to get the nomination so its a moot point.

We have lived in a time where what many citizens want is ignored. Where, when their differences are expressed they are ignored, or, as Dick Cheney said today when told about 2/3 of the American People against the war, he said, "So?" It was disconcerting.

What Obama says is he'll work with the people rather than special interests. I think that, even if he has to make a different decision, he will not treat the American people who disagree with disrespect as President Bush has as he "spent his political capital."

I think that message is very specific.

If you actually listen to him, you will hear his message, and, if you wait for the pundits and the media, you will hear exactly what he is not campaigning for: division and fear.

I think we have had enough of that type of paternalism from the past 8 years.

Essentially what you are saying is that you have not bothered to listen to the man.

 

[ccnyman]

That equates them in the category "people he cares about". It does not equate their remarks, although, frankly, I don't see what the problem with equating them would be. To find the equation ebjectioanable, I would have to hold that black racism against whites is more objectionable that white racism against blacks.

But he does not, in fact, equate the remarks themselves. If I say "My family has a lot of problems. My brother has terminal cancer and my sister's car broke down", I am stating that their are two problems, not equating a mechanical problem to a terminal disease.

He's given them a moral equivalence. Rev. Wright said these hateful things, but my grandmother also made racial remarks. I can't turn my back on either of them.

 

[busybody..]

This thread is depressing on so many levels, but the most horrid of all is the code of
narrow-mindedness.

Many of you strut around wanting to believe you are right, needing it. In reality,
you're a bunch of impotent crowing roosters, you never want to hear anything that
contradicts what you want to believe is true.

There was nothing "anti-American" or "racist" about Wright's speech. He simply
pointed out injustice, inequality in a system that prides itself on equality for all. He
never advocated the superiority of minorities, but he did say that perpetrating such
an act was an act of injustice. Which would be un-American.

this is disturbing

this is EXACTLY what is wrong with the "black community"

and this is exactly what BAM was against when he gave the convention speech in 04

and now he is practicing the same

 

[Pookie]

He's given them a moral equivalence. Rev. Wright said these hateful things, but my grandmother also made racial remarks. I can't turn my back on either of them.

I'd say he recognized that they're both humans that aren't perfect. *shrugs*

 

[busybody..]

it is unbelieveable how so many were up in arms over SEVERAL words uttered by T Lott

By Rush Limbaugh

By Imus

how so many bashed them with the RACIST club

yet

these same "people" overlook the hatred spewed out by Wright and say its

merely

different viewpoint!


SHAME!

 

[Faneros]

Someone (B. Franklin) also said, "A man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still."


A closed mind is a closed mind.


.

My mind was open until Rev Wright....

 

[HB1965]

Someone once said that a con man's job is not to convince skeptics but to enable people to continue to believe what they already want to believe.

Then whoever the conman was must have done a good job on you.

No, you miss the point that there's a difference between someone spewing hatred and false facts to a congregation with a woman who made a remark in private. One can be excused, the other can't.

Actually, from your early posts you would think that there's no difference and both should be forgiven equally. I think there's a huge difference.

Again you don't get it. I never said what he said should be excused nor did I imply it, and I don't excuse it by a long chalk, and again he's not EQUATING what he said with what she said. There is a difference. He is only speaking of them together in that they are concerns being brought by people from both sides of the table in the struggle of racism.

 

[Faneros]

You might as well. You could talk about making a devils food cake though. Just an idea.

I use a 9" round cake pan to bake mine....

 

[Faneros]

Then whoever the conman was must have done a good job on you.

Look who's talking,,,,

 

[pinkstarfish]

I Obama

He's a wonderful speaker, indeed.

This won't go away though:

March 18, 2008

"Did I ever hear him make remarks that could be considered controversial while I sat in church? Yes."


March 14, 2008

"The statements that Rev. Wright made that are the cause of this controversy were not statements I personally heard him preach while I sat in the pews of Trinity"


March 14, 2008
" In other words, he has never been my political advisor; he's been my pastor."


Dreams of My Father, by Barack Hussein Obama

“What I value most about Pastor Wright is not his day-to-day political advice. He’s much more of a sounding board for me..."

You're a fucking moron.

 

[HB1965]

Look who's talking,,,,

Not at all. I've consistantly made my own mind up about everyone in this election. Obama was never my original candidate but of the choices presented now he's the best in my mind.

I am outraged by what Rev. Wright has to say but I think it takes guts on Obama's part to admit that a man that he has valued has a mentor and friend for more than 20 years has is wrong and to say that even if he is wrong that he won't turn his back on those years of friendship.

It was a hell of a speech, plain and simple.

 

[pinkstarfish]

This thread is depressing on so many levels, but the most horrid of all is the code of
narrow-mindedness.

Many of you strut around wanting to believe you are right, needing it. In reality,
you're a bunch of impotent crowing roosters, you never want to hear anything that
contradicts what you want to believe is true.

There was nothing "anti-American" or "racist" about Wright's speech. He simply
pointed out injustice, inequality in a system that prides itself on equality for all. He
never advocated the superiority of minorities, but he did say that perpetrating such
an act was an act of injustice. Which would be un-American.

Thank you!!!!!!!

 

[ccnyman]

Then whoever the conman was must have done a good job on you.



Again you don't get it. I never said what he said should be excused nor did I imply it, and I don't excuse it by a long chalk, and again he's not EQUATING what he said with what she said. There is a difference. He is only speaking of them together in that they are concerns being brought by people from both sides of the table in the struggle of racism.

Yes, poor Uncle Adolf said a lot of hateful things about jews and gays. But so did my ole grandma. They've both been good to me so I say to you, I hold them both equally in my heart.

 

[HB1965]

Yes, poor Uncle Adolf said a lot of hateful things about jews and gays. But so did my ole grandma. They've both been good to me so I say to you, I hold them both equally in my heart.

You're not talking about the same thing or in the same way he was.

 

[Pookie]

This thread is depressing on so many levels, but the most horrid of all is the code of
narrow-mindedness.

Many of you strut around wanting to believe you are right, needing it. In reality,
you're a bunch of impotent crowing roosters, you never want to hear anything that
contradicts what you want to believe is true.

There was nothing "anti-American" or "racist" about Wright's speech. He simply
pointed out injustice, inequality in a system that prides itself on equality for all. He
never advocated the superiority of minorities, but he did say that perpetrating such
an act was an act of injustice. Which would be un-American.

Worth yet another quote.

 

[Lost Cause]

I wonder if BHO ever heard this passage since he's the Messiah incarnate to the Kool Aid drinkers~

Isaiah 5:20
"Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil; Who substitute darkness for light and light for darkness..."

http://chicagoist.com/attachments/Margaret%20Lyons/2007_09_25_obama.jpg

 

[ccnyman]

You're not talking about the same thing or in the same way he was.

No, I just took a more hateful person as one part.

 

[LotusDreamer]

Cut them some slack. They only recently realized that racism was bad.

It really bothers me that people like this make the world a pretty fucked up place
for the rest of us. They are the vipers in our nest, beating back hope with
cynicism, stubbornness and nasty insinuation.

I read somewhere that a majority of the people in the south wanted integration
and civil rights before the movement. However, they believed that their neighbors
would shun them. And these guys remind me of those neighbors. Halting
progress out of fear of change.

And of course, no black person in America has ever been given any cause to be fearful.

It isn't like we'd have anything to fear. Right?

Well, I guess he's alright if you believe the U.S. created the AIDS virus and stuff like that.

Last time I checked it wasn't un-American to be ignorant of the actual facts of a situation.

Thank you!!!!!!!

You're welcome.

Worth yet another quote.

Thank you.

 

[JustSkye]

This thread is depressing on so many levels, but the most horrid of all is the code of narrow-mindedness.

Many of you strut around wanting to believe you are right, needing it. In reality, you're a bunch of impotent crowing roosters, you never want to hear anything that contradicts what you want to believe is true.

There was nothing "anti-American" or "racist" about Wright's speech. He simply pointed out injustice, inequality in a system that prides itself on equality for all. He never advocated the superiority of minorities, but he did say that perpetrating such an act was an act of injustice. Which would be un-American.

Nicely said!
Sadly, those who are bitching don't seem to think it's a-okay for anyone who isn't white to be able to make remarks about the US and how they've fared living in it. Double standard to nth degree.

They keep deflecting from Roberts, Falwell, Hagee...and God knows who else saying they never said anything of any kind showing dissent about race and the US. Ohhh no, not them...or we get the usual, "So? It wasn't meant the way most think."

Fucking whiners.
Apparently freedom of speech only applies to some.

 

[busybody..]

you silly little "people" can talk all you want

OBL has made a re-appearance

Americans wont stand for a NOTHING like HRC or BAM to answer the phone

They cant win

Bin Laden warns EU over Prophet cartoons

Wed Mar 19, 2008 7:00pm DUBAI (Reuters) - Al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden threatened the European Union with grave punishment on Wednesday over cartoons of the Prophet Mohammad.

In an audio recording posted on the Internet, Bin Laden said the cartoons were part of a "crusade" in which he said the Catholic Pope Benedict was involved.

The message was released on the fifth anniversary of the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq.

The cartoons were first published by the Danish daily Jyllands-Posten in September 2005 but a furor erupted only after other papers reprinted them in 2006.

At least 50 people were killed in the protests against the publication of the cartoons, which Muslims say are an affront to Islam. Newspapers which have reprinted the cartoons argue they are defending the right to media freedom.

Bin Laden's message was entitled "The Response Will Be What You See, Not What You Hear", according to the password-protected Ekhlaas Web, which carries messages and statements from al Qaeda-affiliated groups around the world.

The banner message appeared in bright red, labeled "urgent" with plain Arabic text. It carried no picture of the Saudi-born militant leader nor the insignia of al Qaeda's media arm As-Sahab, which usually releases his videos and audio tapes.

The message apparently is the first by bin Laden since November 29 when he urged European countries to end military participation with U.S. forces in the Afghan conflict.

The al Qaeda leader, blamed for the September 11 attacks on U.S. cities, issued a number of messages late last year after a hiatus of well over a year raised speculation that he might be dead or incapacitated.

Bin Laden, who is believed to be hiding in remote areas between Pakistan and Afghanistan, has tended to release messages to mark significant dates or events.

On September 7, 2007, bin Laden appeared in a videotape marking the sixth anniversary of the September 11 attacks and said the United States remained vulnerable despite its economic and military power. He then eulogized a September 11 hijacker in an al Qaeda tape that appeared on the anniversary date itself.

Later the same month bin Laden vowed to retaliate against Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf for the killing of a rebel cleric and a raid on his mosque.

Bin Laden is blamed for masterminding a series of attacks on U.S. targets in Africa and the Middle East in the early 1990s.

His wealthy family has disowned him and he has been stripped of his Saudi citizenship

 

[busybody..]

Nicely said!
Sadly, those who are bitching don't seem to think it's a-okay for anyone who isn't white to be able to make remarks about the US and how they've fared living in it. Double standard to nth degree.



Fucking whiners.
Apparently freedom of speech only applies to some.

why do you keep sewing this shit?

show me anyone who said he didnt have the right to say what he said?

the problem we have

is not that he said it

BUT WHAT HE SAID!

why do you keep repeating some shit that just aint so?

 

[HB1965]

Nicely said!
Sadly, those who are bitching don't seem to think it's a-okay for anyone who isn't white to be able to make remarks about the US and how they've fared living in it. Double standard to nth degree.

They keep deflecting from Roberts, Falwell, Hagee...and God knows who else saying they never said anything of any kind showing dissent about race and the US. Ohhh no, not them...or we get the usual, "So? It wasn't meant the way most think."

Fucking whiners.
Apparently freedom of speech only applies to some.

Indeed how many times do we have to listen to Pat Robertson spout his nonsense or the reruns of Jerry Fallwell.

Trust me the identity of the Moral Majority are Fundamentalist White Americans.

 

[busybody..]

Hillary War Room: Obama - Liar, Hypocrite
March 19th, 2008
From Hillary’s sub rosa “war room,” Hillary Is 44:


Barack Obama - Proven Liar and Hypocrite
Update: The Fox News interview.

GARRETT: Sir, would you have — would you have quit the church had you heard them personally?

OBAMA: You know, I guess — …

GARRETT: So, quick yes or no. If had you heard them in person you would have quit?

OBAMA: If I had heard them repeated, I would have quit…If I thought that that was the repeated tenor of the church, then I wouldn’t feel comfortable there.

————————————————

Today Barack Obama proved himself a liar and a hypocrite.

Barack Obama (D-Rezko) tried to change the topic away from his opportunistic 20 year relationship with “Pastor” Wright.

Obama either displayed a 20 year lack of judgment with respect to Reverend Wright or Obama is a fellow traveling bigot with “Pastor” Wright.

In either case Americans do not need a lesson on race from Obama - Americans, including superdelegates require an explanation or resignation from church and Senate by Obama.

Obama has spent the last few days lying about his relationship with Pastor Wright and what he knew and when he knew it.

Obama:

But the sermons I’ve always hear[d] were no different than the sermons you hear in many African-American churches. I had not heard him make such, what I consider to be objectionable remarks from the pulpit. Had I heard them while I was in church, I would have objected.

That was yesterday. Today Obama said:

“Did I ever hear him make remarks that could be considered controversial while I sat in church? Yes.”

Liar. Hypocrite. Liar.

Obama lied repeatedly and openly to millions of Americans in interview after interview:

COOPER: (AUDIO GAP) … was created by the government to kill black people. He’s called America the number-one killer around the world. He’s said that black people shouldn’t sing “God Bless America,” but say God damn America.

There’s a lot of folks in America right now who have heard that. And I want to ask you why you have been listening to this pastor and close to him for nearly 20 years?

SEN. BARACK OBAMA (D-IL), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Well, first of all, Anderson, you know, I strongly condemn the statements that have been shown on the tape.

I have to confess that those are not statements that I ever heard when I was sitting in the pews at this church. This is a church that I have been a member of for 20 years. This is a well-established, typical, historically African-American church in the South Side of Chicago, with a wonderful set of ministries.

And what I have been hearing and had been hearing in church was talk about Jesus and talk about faith and values and serving the poor…

Liar. Hypocrite.

OBAMA: … something that the church (INAUDIBLE) some.

But so the — what is — what is undeniable is that, you know, these are a series of incendiary statements that I can’t object to strongly enough. Had I heard those in the church, I would have told Reverend Wright that, you know, that I profoundly disagreed with them. They didn’t reflect my values, and they didn’t reflect my ideals.

COOPER: Did you not know, though, that, I mean, a couple days after 9/11, he said, you know, this was America’s chickens coming home to roost, a result of what he called American terrorism around the world?

Liar. Hypocrite.

COOPER: I mean, you may not have been there, but have you — you must have heard that he had said these things.

OBAMA: You know, I confess that I did not hear about this until — until I started running for president.

Liar. Hypocrite.

COOPER: But, I mean, uncles are blood relatives who you’re kind of stuck with at family gatherings, even when they say outrageous things. You can’t get rid of them.

You can walk out of a church. You can walk go up to a pastor and say, this is wrong.

(CROSSTALK)

OBAMA: And, as I said, Anderson, if I had heard any of those statements, I probably would have walked up, and I probably would have told Reverend Wright that they were wrong.

But they were not statements that I heard when I was in church.

Liar. Hypocrite.

COOPER: So, no one in the church ever said to you, man, last week, you missed this sermon; Reverend Wright said this; or…

OBAMA: No.

COOPER: I mean, I think I read in your books that you listened to tapes of Reverend Wright when you were at Harvard Law School.

OBAMA: I did.

COOPER: So, you had no idea?

OBAMA: I understand.

I did not. Well, I want to be clear that, when I ran for president, some of these statements started surfacing.

Liar. Hypocrite:

Contrary to his earlier suggestion, Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) acknowledged in his speech Tuesday that he had heard “controversial” remarks by the Rev. Jeremiah Wright.

“Did I know him to be an occasionally fierce critic of American domestic and foreign policy?” Obama said. “Of course. Did I ever hear him make remarks that could be considered controversial while I sat in church? Yes. Did I strongly disagree with many of his political views? Absolutely — just as I’m sure many of you have heard remarks from your pastors, priests or rabbis with which you strongly disagreed.”

Obama did not specify which statements.

In his first detailed response to the firestorm over Wright’s remarks charging that the United States is a racist country, Obama said in a posting on The Huffington Post:

“The statements that Rev. Wright made that are the cause of this controversy were not statements I personally heard him preach while I sat in the pews of Trinity or heard him utter in private conversation. When these statements first came to my attention, it was at the beginning of my presidential campaign.”

Big Media wants to protect Obama. Big Media will lionize Obama’s ‘lack of judgement and full of lies’ speech. But the damage has been done. Americans have seen the real Obama. Big Media tried to lionize Mitt Romney’s empty speech on religion too. But the damage had already been done.

Barack Obama (D-Rezko) today is a proven liar and hypocrite.

His old white grandma is a racist too, we’re told.

Today, Barack Obama proved himself a liar and a hypocrite.

Some people never change.

(This entry was posted on Tuesday, March 18th, 2008 at 5:36 pm and is filed under Obama, Scum.)

Sheesh.

Talk about the pot calling the kettle half black.

 

[busybody..]

I love to see the TWO ICONS

a PUSSY and a COLORED attacking each other

two "little" people

showing their true colors

I cant wait for the REPOZ in 11/08 to kick your asses and have you FREAKS scream again

about STOLEN ELECTIONS

your time

is up!

 

[Paendragon]

Why do you keep referring to him as O'bama?

Still no answer to this question.