You Be The Judge.

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

http://www.news24.com/News24/World/News/0,,2-10-1462_2238623,00.html

 

[Pure]

it looks to me like robbery coupled with very nasty aggravated assault*, and grave injury was caused. {we don't know, of course, whether one woman will live. if she doesn't, then he deserves life for murder.}

i'd say 20 years would be appropriate; to be served 3/4 till parole is *considered*.

the problem is that a judge must be consistent with herself and other judges. given that some cases of *murder* have resulted in sentences of ten years or less, one would have to suggest a milder sentence to the evil robber, in order to be consistent.

incidentally, i don't know of any evidence that 20 years is twice the deterrent of 10 years, but am willing to assume it, for this argument.

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*there is apparently some doubt as to whether his direct intention was to burn the women, and whether he tried specifically to douse them with gasoline. it is possible he was simply attempting to set the place on fire, to cover his escape. in that case, he recklessly endangered lives and may have, recklessly, caused a death (=manslaughter); we will see.

 

[Chantilyvamp]

I'm probably nastier than most but nicer than some. I wouldn't say death but lord I don't think I want him walking the streets. And its not just 3 lives in the equation, its 4. In all honesty he endangered a child as well and who knows at 6 months if it will live or not.

Here is another link with more of the story and the charges he if faced with. http://www.polkonline.com/stories/121407/communitynews_rampage.shtml

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

He Was On Probation...

http://www2.tbo.com/content/2007/de...ctims-knew-attacker-police-say/?news-breaking

http://www2.tbo.com/content/2007/de...iery-lake-wales-attack-a/?news-breaking&imw=Y

 

[EjAcKuLaToR]

Are you kidding?

The death penalty is 90% appropriate and behind that is life in prison without hope of parole. This motherfucker knew he was doing this before he did it and he should pay the price. Not only that, but who wants to trust his ass once he gets out?
Not me. I wouldn't trust him around my sister, my daughter, my wife, etc.

 

[angelicminx]

Hmm... Punishment should fit the crime, don't ya think? I didn't see a choice for setting him on fire and shooting him in the nose.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Maximum sentence, whatever it happens to be. If somebody dies, fry the son of a bitch. If nobody dies, then maximum sentence for every offense, to be served CS. Never let this asshole walk the streets again.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

He was on probation when he shot everyone and burned the women.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

The Baby Died.

http://www2.tbo.com/content/2007/dec/16/baby-woman-burned-attack-dies/?news-breaking&imw=Y

 

[Pure]

very sad news. that makes it at least manslaughter plus robbery. (not sure where the kidnapping comes from).

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

PURE

After he set the women afire he wouldnt let them leave the office. Thats kidnapping.

He also has two murder charges pending. He shot and killed two people at a gas station during a robbery. The cops tied the bullets at the gas station to the bullet fired at the insurance office.

 

[Boxlicker101]

very sad news. that makes it at least manslaughter plus robbery. (not sure where the kidnapping comes from).

Manslaughter? Bullshit!! First degree murder. Committed during the commission of a felony, you know. Hang the son of a bitch!!

Pure, can even you honestly say this guy does not deserve the death penalty?

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

One of the women died today.

 

[oggbashan]

I voted for life without parole as a more significant punishment than years as a privileged prisoner on death row.

He should never be allowed back on the streets.

Og

 

[Boxlicker101]

I voted for life without parole as a more significant punishment than years as a privileged prisoner on death row.

He should never be allowed back on the streets.

Og

I agree totally with the last sentnce, but I think the best way to keep him from ever being a free man is to off him, and the sooner, the better. Do you really believe that scum like this shold be allowed to live?

Treat him as the rabid dog he is.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

One of my core beliefs is: Immunity from death is a license to use extreme violence with others.

 

[oggbashan]

I agree totally with the last sentnce, but I think the best wy to keep him from ever being a free man is to off him, and the sooner, the better. Do you really believe that scum like this shold be allowed to live?

Treat him as the rabid dog he is.

IF the death penalty was carried out as it used to be in the UK - within 48 hours and with very little scope for a stay of execution - then I would have voted for the death penalty.

How many prisoners are now sitting on Death Row and have been there for years? How many lawyers will make money from the multiple appeals process allowed in the US? How long will the families' agony be revisited after every appeal?

If the death penalty meant death within a couple of days - then yes.

It doesn't. It is now a long drawn out procedure played out with massive media attention; a circus that concentrates on the offender's rights and ignores the victims and their relatives.

Life in a severe prison, without parole and preferably with hard labour is a greater punishment than the death sentence as it now exists.

Or why not have some Extraordinary Rendition to a third world jail where he will be the target of all the other prisoners and have to face jailers who couldn't care less about prisoners' rights?

Og

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

In America, at least, capital punishment (death) is now a cash cow for many people to milk. When there was no money to be made from a criminal he was executed quickly. An industry has evolved since the Old Days.

 

[Boxlicker101]

IF the death penalty was carried out as it used to be in the UK - within 48 hours and with very little scope for a stay of execution - then I would have voted for the death penalty.

How many prisoners are now sitting on Death Row and have been there for years? How many lawyers will make money from the multiple appeals process allowed in the US? How long will the families' agony be revisited after every appeal?

If the death penalty meant death within a couple of days - then yes.

It doesn't. It is now a long drawn out procedure played out with massive media attention; a circus that concentrates on the offender's rights and ignores the victims and their relatives.

Life in a severe prison, without parole and preferably with hard labour is a greater punishment than the death sentence as it now exists.

Or why not have some Extraordinary Rendition to a third world jail where he will be the target of all the other prisoners and have to face jailers who couldn't care less about prisoners' rights?

Og

"A couple of days" might be too much of a rush. Within a year, let's say. It used to be done that way, and within my memory too. Even in the fifties, the worst of the worst, guys like Starkweather were hanged just a few months after conviction. Since then, though, bleeding heart judges and lawyers and others have started crying about "misunderstood victims of society who strike back" and have done everything they can to delay justice. And, of course, the lawyers make a lot of money and sometimes gain a rep from it too.

 

[SeaCat]

Okay so I'm in a brutal mood. He has been tied to the crimes but not yet covicted. Let them convict him without a shred of doubt.

If they can convict him without a shred of doubt then give him the death sentance, but let him face death in the manner he forced others to face it. Burn him at the stake. Make the punishment face the crime. (Something I am an advocate of.)

If one can't be convicted without a shred of doubt then give them life with appeals. If one can be convicted without a shred of doubt then kill them in the manner they killed their victims.

Cat

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

CAT

I posted another thread where the contestant hurts guards every time his lawyers bring him to town for an appeal. He has 2 life sentences and nuthin to lose by killing or hurting guards or inmates.

 

[Boxlicker101]

CAT

I posted another thread where the contestant hurts guards every time his lawyers bring him to town for an appeal. He has 2 life sentences and nuthin to lose by killing or hurting guards or inmates.

In some states, including CA, there are special prisons for guys like that. They never leave their cells without their hands cuffed behind them.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

There's an article in today's paper about all the BILLIONS of dollars cons owe for fines and restitution. The paper, of course, considers the poor baby's to be victims of their status...like they were drafted by the government to be criminals.

 

[cheerful_deviant]

As much as I abhor violence, in certain cases I'm up for bringing back death by public stoneing.

It's been said many times that being burned to death is one of the most painful ways to die. What he did to those women is beastly.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

DEVIANT

You cant redeem someone like this perp, and he's a risk to other inmates plus guards. When someone is so violent and volatile you cant manage them inside or outside prison, execute them.