last night I watched "The Matrix" pretty freaky

[SebastianHolt]

last night I watched The Matrix. have to say its pretty freaky as to what they got 'right' and the path humanity is taking. I have some questions, but I'm unsure if my question even matters to someone watching the movie (or the reader if I attempt to write a story/book based on the movie).

Question:
Did the movie ever address the "spirit" of the person? When you get plugged into the matrix, are you just a node, or does your being get uploaded into the system? does that make any sense?

If mankind can solve the issue of (not even sure what to call this) the spirit... can a person be plugged into the system and then say downloaded into a different body?

 

[ShelbyDawn57]

last night I watched The Matrix. have to say its pretty freaky as to what they got 'right' and the path humanity is taking. I have some questions, but I'm unsure if my question even matters to someone watching the movie (or the reader if I attempt to write a story/book based on the movie).

Question:
Did the movie ever address the "spirit" of the person? When you get plugged into the matrix, are you just a node, or does your being get uploaded into the system? does that make any sense?

If mankind can solve the issue of (not even sure what to call this) the spirit... can a person be plugged into the system and then say downloaded into a different body?

That's Altered Carbon. Excellent books, pretty good series

 

[KittyOfSteele]

Did the movie ever address the "spirit" of the person? When you get plugged into the matrix, are you just a node, or does your being get uploaded into the system? does that make any sense?

If mankind can solve the issue of (not even sure what to call this) the spirit... can a person be plugged into the system and then say downloaded into a different body?

Uh, I think you watched the wrong movie to ask this question. To my perception, at least, the core message of The Matrix is all about how "we live in a society," like, we are part of a system, we're cogs on a machine, and all that type of stuff. It's an allegory.

Ghost in the Shell came earlier than The Matrix, and it actually delves into your question down even further. I'd say watch that instead. Not the live action though, the original animated film from the 90s. The word "Ghost" in the title literally refers to the spirit.

 

[cw5523729]

last night I watched The Matrix. have to say its pretty freaky as to what they got 'right' and the path humanity is taking. I have some questions, but I'm unsure if my question even matters to someone watching the movie (or the reader if I attempt to write a story/book based on the movie).

Question:
Did the movie ever address the "spirit" of the person? When you get plugged into the matrix, are you just a node, or does your being get uploaded into the system? does that make any sense?

The interface on the back of the head just allows you to connect with the Matrix computer. No "essence" is transferred or anything if that's what you're asking.

If mankind can solve the issue of (not even sure what to call this) the spirit... can a person be plugged into the system and then say downloaded into a different body?

That's never addressed in the series at all.

If you haven't watched it, try the TV series Upload - I think that's probably a lot closer to what you are looking for/thinking of.

 

[MillieDynamite]

Question:
Did the movie ever address the "spirit" of the person? When you get plugged into the matrix, are you just a node, or does your being get uploaded into the system? does that make any sense?

Cancers don't have souls.

Agent Smith: I'd like to share a revelation that I've had during my time here. It came to me when I tried to classify your species and I realized that you're not actually mammals. Every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with the surrounding environment but you humans do not. You move to an area and you multiply and multiply until every natural resource is consumed and the only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet. You're a plague and we are the cure.

 

[MillieDynamite]

They gave us Heaven, and we didn't like it.

Agent Smith: Did you know that the first Matrix was designed to be a perfect human world? Where none suffered, where everyone would be happy. It was a disaster. No one would accept the program. Entire crops were lost. Some believed we lacked the programming language to describe your perfect world. But I believe that, as a species, human beings define their reality through suffering and misery. The perfect world was a dream that your primitive cerebrum kept trying to wake up from. Which is why the Matrix was redesigned to this: the peak of your civilization. I say your civilization, because as soon as we started thinking for you it really became our civilization, which is of course what this is all about. Evolution, Morpheus, evolution. Like the dinosaur. Look out that window. You've had your time. The future is *our* world, Morpheus. The future is our time.

 

[Eiranne]

Watched that movie always with my mom growing up. To step out of the conforms and frames of society and see the truth. the movie has a very deep christian message. Know the truth and the truth shall set ye free.

 

[MillieDynamite]

So, yes, it addressed what the scriptwriters thought about souls.

 

[MillieDynamite]

There are many references to Christian thinking, but that doesn't mean the writers buy into it.

 

[TheLobster]

Matrix borrows from like half a dozen different religious, including Christianity and Buddhism, and also takes a lot of postmodern philosophy (especially Baudrillard) and implements it in a pretty literal sense.

But no, it doesn't deal with souls and spirits much, not in the first film at least. Its portrayal of machines also has little to do with the contemporary so-called AIs.

 

[Bramblethorn]

Agent Smith: I'd like to share a revelation that I've had during my time here. It came to me when I tried to classify your species and I realized that you're not actually mammals. Every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with the surrounding environment but you humans do not. You move to an area and you multiply and multiply until every natural resource is consumed

*buys Agent Smith a book on the history of rabbits and goats in Australia, and indeed many other places*

 

[MillieDynamite]

When the natural population of any consumer in nature gets out of balance, the predator population grows to bring it back in balance. It's a constant shift, and were it not for human intervention, it would continue on. But we fuck up everything

*buys Agent Smith a book on the history of rabbits and goats in Australia, and indeed many other places*

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[SebastianHolt]

That's Altered Carbon. Excellent books, pretty good series

thank you for the info! which author do you prefer? I just did a quick query and found 100 books

 

[iwatchus]

When the natural population of any consumer in nature gets out of balance, the predator population grows to bring it back in balance. It's a constant shift, and were it not for human intervention, it would continue on. But we fuck up everything


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Unless there are no natural predators in the ecosystem. Which can happen without us, but is MUCh more likely with us. Either because we introduced an invasive specie (rabbits in australia) or we killed all the predators (deer in NJ).

 

[MillieDynamite]

True, but if something evolves where it has no natural predators, it'll be the apex organism, and that is nature and natural.

Unless there are no natural predators in the ecosystem. Which can happen without us, but is MUCh more likely with us. Either because we introduced an invasive specie (rabbits in australia) or we killed all the predators (deer in NJ).

 

[SebastianHolt]

thank you for the info! which author do you prefer? I just did a quick query and found 100 books

just picked up the series from Richard K. Morgan

 

[iwatchus]

True, but if something evolves where it has no natural predators, it'll be the apex organism, and that is nature and natural.

They can easily overwhelm their environment and destroy it.

 

[SebastianHolt]

Uh, I think you watched the wrong movie to ask this question. To my perception, at least, the core message of The Matrix is all about how "we live in a society," like, we are part of a system, we're cogs on a machine, and all that type of stuff. It's an allegory.

Ghost in the Shell came earlier than The Matrix, and it actually delves into your question down even further. I'd say watch that instead. Not the live action though, the original animated film from the 90s. The word "Ghost" in the title literally refers to the spirit.

I totally forgot about the Bruce Willis movie Surrogates and Gamer (Gerald Butler) as both movies you can take control of a "body" or person.

 

[ShelbyDawn57]

just picked up the series from Richard K. Morgan

Those are the ones I read. There's also a series; Netflix or Prime, I don't really remember. It was pretty well done; two seasons.

 

[MillieDynamite]

Then, they'll die out and something else will evolve. However, I find no mass extinction of any species that isn't related to a mass extinction event after, or happened after man arrived on the scene. If you know of any species that went extinct without human involvement or natural disasters, I'd love to hear about them.

They can easily overwhelm their environment and destroy it.

 

[Bramblethorn]

True, but if something evolves where it has no natural predators, it'll be the apex organism, and that is nature and natural.

Then Agent Smith should be fine with humans being an apex organism.

 

[MillieDynamite]

But he wasn't; he didn't like us. We were, to him, unnatural beings. I can understand his point of view, we are our own worst enemies. Things that should unite, divide us, like religion. People have an innate distrust of anything or anyone they perceive as different than them. And by nature, we are destructive to one another and to our own environments.

Then Agent Smith should be fine with humans being an apex organism.

 

[Bramblethorn]

Then, they'll die out and something else will evolve. However, I find no mass extinction of any species that isn't related to a mass extinction event after, or happened after man arrived on the scene. If you know of any species that went extinct without human involvement or natural disasters, I'd love to hear about them.

Background extinction is a thing. The extremely high rate of anthropogenic (human-made) extinction means that it's only a tiny fraction of the extinctions happening today, and since humans are tangled up in almost anything, it's hard to point at any given evolution and say "not caused by humans". But the fossil record tells us that species died out every so often, even outside of human intervention and mass extinction events.

We talk about "the balance of nature" as if there were some steady state that would prevail, absent human meddling and asteroids etc. But nature is never really static.

 

[MillieDynamite]

But the thread is about the Matrix. So, I'm done with the discussion of extinctions and whether it's our fault. You seem to be insulted by the fictional characters' bias against humanity. I'm not, I get why he isn't all that impressed with his creators.

 

[SebastianHolt]

But the thread is about the Matrix. So, I'm done with the discussion of extinctions and whether it's our fault. You seem to be insulted by the fictional characters' bias against humanity. I'm not, I get why he isn't all that impressed with his creators.

I'm with you, I'm not drawn in by extinction.