Music based challenge?

[Five_Inch_Heels]

Make sure you read @PennyThompson's latest story when it comes out today/tonight, and you'll be able to guess which Lamb song I was trying to convince her to use.

Carpet Crawlers is OK.

 

[Actingup]

Carpet Crawlers is OK.

That's a good song too, and on topic. From somebody's blog post:

"“Carpet Crawlers” is lyrically a graphic description of the act of sexual intercourse with an aim toward procreation. It immediately follows “Counting Out Time”, itself a jovial song about sex, and, well, if you’ve never made this connection before I encourage you to just go read the lyrics for “Carpet Crawlers” with this notion in mind. There’s not really much else it could be, but since the song has evolved in impact beyond its original album role the band would prefer to keep that “this could be anything” mystique around it."

https://www.reddit.com/r/Genesis/comments/hnfznf/hindsight_is_2020_63_the_carpet_crawlers

 

[iwatchus]

I have a very strange association with this song. In a different time, I had been listening to this album and, um, doing some other things. My only really strong visual hallucination I have ever had was seeing giant furry worm-like things slithering around the floor. Definitely inspired by only half listening to the lyrics. Fifty years later, I re-see them again when I think about that song. i am shuddering right now.

 

[Erozetta]

Lyin' Eyes by the Eagles IS a Lit story within itself.

I actually did a story to that theme. Kinda. Definitely took inspiration from it. Lyin' Eyes (4k words, Fetish, cuckold, older man/younger couple, CNC type content.)

 

[Rob_Royale]

After perusing my workload, I've decided I'm not going to go forward with running this challenge. But, @Trionyx will be taking the lead on the idea and approaching Laurel. Much appreciated.

 

[Trionyx]

FYI, it does appear that we will have a music based challenge/event next year. It is never too early to be thinking of a tune to base a story on.

 

[dirk2024]

FYI, it does appear that we will have a music based challenge/event next year. It is never too early to be thinking of a tune to base a story on.

Thank you for taking this on...ands @Rob_Royale for initiating the effort!

 

[Kelliezgirl]

Thanks very much. I sent them a DM. I'm just making sure they have no intention on running theirs again, so we don't have overlapping interests..

Yes.

I think I will keep everything very simple. Any story that is inspired by music and/or musicians. That will allow any story that would have fit into either of the previous challenges, Heart/Beats or Karaoke Challenge.

If anyone has any input, I'm all eyes.

It might be helpful to get some guidance on Laurel's thoughts on quoting lyrics.
I'd hate for someone to do the work and then get jammed up over that.

 

[Actingup]

It might be helpful to get some guidance on Laurel's thoughts on quoting lyrics.
I'd hate for someone to do the work and then get jammed up over that.

Perhaps one approach could be to write some guidance on the matter in the challenge instructions, and then get the okay from Laurel? Clearly, stories get approved here with lots of lyric quotes (and lyrics are copied and quoted all over the Internet, so it’s hardly like Literotica is going to be chased on this), but also we know that lengthy quotes are potentially problematic and the story may not be approved. So the guidance might say something like:
“Direct quoting of song lyrics should generally be minimised due to potential copyright concerns, particularly with substantial quotes. There is no issue with quoting song titles.”

 

[Kelliezgirl]

Perhaps one approach could be to write some guidance on the matter in the challenge instructions, and then get the okay from Laurel? Clearly, stories get approved here with lots of lyric quotes (and lyrics are copied and quoted all over the Internet, so it’s hardly like Literotica is going to be chased on this), but also we know that lengthy quotes are potentially problematic and the story may not be approved. So the guidance might say something like:
“Direct quoting of song lyrics should generally be minimised due to potential copyright concerns, particularly with substantial quotes. There is no issue with quoting song titles.”

Agreed, but I think the challenge lies in "substantial".

3 lines, 4 lines?

 

[dirk2024]

“Direct quoting of song lyrics should generally be minimised...

Agreed, but I think the challenge lies in "substantial".

3 lines, 4 lines?

Definition would be nice. I have a WIP with a couple of sets of song lyrics in it. I have anywhere from 4 to 8 lines per song, depending on how many it takes to get to the point of the matter.

Too few and it's like, why bother, as it won't make sense in the story.

 

[Gamblnluck]

I never liked stories that introduced song lyrics into the narrative. I read them for the story and ignored the lyrics. But I might make an exception here. This thread gave me an idea for a LW story. But I won't be participating in a contest though

 

[dirk2024]

This thread gave me an idea for a LW story.

Yeah, me too.

 

[Kelliezgirl]

I never liked stories that introduced song lyrics into the narrative. I read them for the story and ignored the lyrics. But I might make an exception here. This thread gave me an idea for a LW story. But I won't be participating in a contest though

I don't care for gratuitous use, but used properly it can definitely have an impact.
Music is such a huge part of many people's lives, to exclude it from stories, or make it overly generic takes away a wonderful tool to add depth.

 

[Kelliezgirl]

If I can play the AH game of referencing my own story, in one the MMC is grappling with starting to date again after losing his wife. At one point he hears someone in the distance listening to music and it happens to be the Talking Head's Once in a Lifetime. The line is:

And you may tell yourself, "This is not my beautiful wife"

Which hit him very hard under the circumstances. I only use the single line but I think it adds a poignancy to the scene that would be lost without knowing the lyric.

 

[Actingup]

If I can play the AH game of referencing my own story, in one the MMC is grappling with starting to date again after losing his wife. At one point he hears someone in the distance listening to music and it happens to be the Talking Head's Once in a Lifetime. The line is:

And you may tell yourself, "This is not my beautiful wife"

Which hit him very hard under the circumstances. I only use the single line but I think it adds a poignancy to the scene that would be lost without knowing the lyric.

Agreed, but I think the challenge lies in "substantial".

I used quite a few quotes in my 'Letting the Sunshine In'. After reading the threads here on lyrics, I reduced the amount that I'd quoted quite a bit, but they were still there and essential to the story. The problem as I see it with specifying how much we can use is that it can be argued that any quoting of lyrics is in breach of copyright, so a set policy that allows a certain amount could still be seen as encouraging a breach. On the other hand, the reality is that lengthy lyrical extracts and blatant copyright breaches are widespread across the web and are largely tolerated, including by music publishers who find ways to use this to monetise the music. I think it might put Laurel in a tricky position if we try and spell out something - it might force her into a more conservative position. Of course, there's no harm in asking - really all my argument is that we can do the hard work and suggest some guidance. Or suggest between a couple of options to choose from.

 

[Kelliezgirl]

I used quite a few quotes in my 'Letting the Sunshine In'. After reading the threads here on lyrics, I reduced the amount that I'd quoted quite a bit, but they were still there and essential to the story. The problem as I see it with specifying how much we can use is that it can be argued that any quoting of lyrics is in breach of copyright, so a set policy that allows a certain amount could still be seen as encouraging a breach. On the other hand, the reality is that lengthy lyrical extracts and blatant copyright breaches are widespread across the web and are largely tolerated, including by music publishers who find ways to use this to monetise the music. I think it might put Laurel in a tricky position if we try and spell out something - it might force her into a more conservative position. Of course, there's no harm in asking - really all my argument is that we can do the hard work and suggest some guidance. Or suggest between a couple of options to choose from.

There is a legal consensus that some quoting is covered under fair use. But you raise a good point about the risks that giving a firm answer entails.
If you look at some of the record labels shenanigans on YouTube it's definitely the wild west right now.

In one video on the problems they're are facing in that world Professor of Rock mentioned that he'd been contacted by a record label wanting him to promote an album they were re-releasing and then he'd get a copyright strike from the same label when he did it. Left hand doesn't talk to the right hand.

 

[dirk2024]

Here is how I'm using it on my current LW WIP:

Maggie Maybury floated about the house, intoxicated by the thought of Javier, her soon-to-arrive lover. She made various last-minute touches to the décor while she sang an old song named ‘Afternoon Delight’, the title which made her giggle every time she heard it. She couldn’t help herself and swayed to invisible music as she started to sing again.



“…Gonna find my baby, gonna hold him tight

Gonna grab some afternoon delight

My motto's always been "When it's right, it's right"

Why wait until the middle of a cold, dark night…”

 

[Kelliezgirl]

Here is how I'm using it on my current LW WIP:

From a "substantial" perspective, I think in your case you could just use:

“…Gonna find my baby, gonna hold him tight

Gonna grab some afternoon delight."

And it would still work.

 

[Actingup]

There is a legal consensus that some quoting is covered under fair use. But you raise a good point about the risks that giving a firm answer entails.
If you look at some of the record labels shenanigans on YouTube it's definitely the wild west right now.

In one video on the problems they're are facing in that world Professor of Rock mentioned that he'd been contacted by a record label wanting him to promote an album they were re-releasing and then he'd get a copyright strike from the same label when he did it. Left hand doesn't talk to the right hand.

"You should be able to play a verse and a chorus and talk about it." I like Rick Beatto a lot - he's very knowledgable and passionate, and he relentlessly promotes great music. Compare him to somebody who's putting a reaction video out there that uses a whole song mixed with 'Oh My God This Is Insane' comments and interesting facial expressions, and I know who I'd rather waste my time with!

 

[pink_silk_glove]

I like Rick Beatto a lot

Todd in the Shadows!

 

[Kelliezgirl]

"You should be able to play a verse and a chorus and talk about it." I like Rick Beatto a lot - he's very knowledgable and passionate, and he relentlessly promotes great music. Compare him to somebody who's putting a reaction video out there that uses a whole song mixed with 'Oh My God This Is Insane' comments and interesting facial expressions, and I know who I'd rather waste my time with!

I absolutely don't understand the appeal of reaction videos. So many of them seem to fake, I could understand if they were talking about really obscure stuff. A co-worker was watching one the other day and they were doing a Prince song and acting like it was the first time they heard it. I wanted to scream, "Bitches, that was in the Greatest Superbowl Halftime show of all time! You watched it!"

 

[Actingup]

I absolutely don't understand the appeal of reaction videos. So many of them seem to fake, I could understand if they were talking about really obscure stuff. A co-worker was watching one the other day and they were doing a Prince song and acting like it was the first time they heard it. I wanted to scream, "Bitches, that was in the Greatest Superbowl Halftime show of all time! You watched it!"

I enjoy many reaction videos. The problem is that if they're not faked, then the watcher usually knows nothing about the artist or the song, and they miss most of what's going on.

Random example: this is a reaction video to Australia's Eurovision entry in 2019. I'm choosing this one because it won an artistic award (not the contest, but a significant award), the singing and physical performance are off-the-charts extraordinary, and the song is lyrically meaningful as well (it's a self-penned song about her recovery from post-natal depression). And to be fair, the guy gets some of that on the first listen - he's wowed by the physically demanding performance and her singing. But half his reaction time is spent saying 'that's crazy' rather than what a proper vocal or performance coach could say! I'd rather spend my time with the Rick Beattos of the world.

 

[dirk2024]

I absolutely don't understand the appeal of reaction videos. So many of them seem to fake, I could understand if they were talking about really obscure stuff. A co-worker was watching one the other day and they were doing a Prince song and acting like it was the first time they heard it. I wanted to scream, "Bitches, that was in the Greatest Superbowl Halftime show of all time! You watched it!"

Many don't watch the Super Bowl and, if they do, are in the bathroom or kitchen during half time.

 

[Actingup]

Many don't watch the Super Bowl and, if they do, are in the bathroom or kitchen during half time.

What's the Super Bowl?