The Female Gaze

[AwkwardMD]

Gorgeous woman, but the build isn't really to my taste.

I think we can expect people's taste in muscular women to cover the same range as their taste in muscular men.

100%, and not a knock on the dancer build at all.

 

[onehitwanda]

*Cough* I... umm... I didn't know he would get stuck if i didn't have the strength to pull him through. My characters never have much strength. I tried...I never got to play with Gale on the first go-round.

You are the "release brake" lever on the gnome's windmill, and it is glorious.

 

[MillieDynamite]

Well, both are based on individual photos; the one on the right is actually the one before I went on a diet. So you're saying I look better fat than thin. HUM

Definitely the face to the right.

 

[NotWise]

That look is probably partially from dehydration specifically for the photo shoot. That physique, however, is one she would need to maintain even during downtime in order to continue working professionally without risking injury and/or being fired from a production. Being a ballerina is gruelling work. I've only watched a few documentaries, but they go through absolutely brutal training, and it doesn't really stop until they retire from the art.

One of my daughters danced professionally for several years. Her normal in-season day included six hours of class and rehearsal--effectively a six hour workout every working day. She kept her weight down and stayed in condition off season, but she would only have that extreme look during the performance season.

As with many dancers, a series of injuries eventually contributed to her exit from the profession.

I don't know about dehydration. Downlighting definitely helps the definition in the photo.

 

[Erozetta]

Gale fucks me off. Perhaps this time I'll leave him in that fucking sigil. Will is an ass. Halsin is just... fucking weird, and a fucking stalker, and those arms! Yikes!

Astarion is the only "acceptable" one of them. But even he pales to insignificance alongside that moment when Shadowheart does that little "There was a time when I thought I'd never smile again. Shows how much I know."

@Jackie.Hikaru get in here babe, we're gushing over Shadowheart and your input is needed.

Shadowheart is the absolute top goal in that game.

Astarion would be next for me, then Karlach and Lae'zel.

The odd draw for me was

 

[Erozetta]

You are the "release brake" lever on the gnome's windmill, and it is glorious.

I did that, too. My husband was annoyed with me. Our argument went pretty much:

"Did you not read what the lever did?"

"Release brake..."

"And what did you think it would do the stopped windmill?"

"Something funny?"

 

[StillStunned]

Right now, the Women's Rugby World Cup is on. You want to see diverse body types, nearly all of them professional athletes and all of them in peak physical condition, watch a few of the games.

(It's also very entertaining in its own right. I'm enjoying it more than men's rugby nowadays.)

 

[MillieDynamite]

Girls tackling each other, what's not like?

Right now, the Women's Rugby World Cup is on. You want to see diverse body types, nearly all of them professional athletes and all of them in peak physical condition, watch a few of the games.

(It's also very entertaining in its own right. I'm enjoying it more than men's rugby nowadays.)

 

[StillStunned]

Girls tackling each other, what's not like?

I have two women friends I've been watch rugby with since the 1990s. Once we were watching Scotland v Tonga (men), in the rain and the mud. One of my friends: "Can you imagine what it's like being the ball?"

 

[questquilya]

Well, both are based on individual photos; the one on the right is actually the one before I went on a diet. So you're saying I look better fat than thin. HUM

I did not say that you looked better one way or the other. I said I like more the image to the right. Body size is used as a marker of beauty standards that are artificial, established culturally, and at the same time subjective. With that being said, all that matters is what you like. Do you like yourself better now? Who cares about what others like?

 

[MillieDynamite]

I've lost a considerable amount of weight and feel better about how I look and how I feel. I can do housework without feeling like I'm dying. So, I like the left side picture better. But both are AI cartoons based on selfies.

 

[Kelliezgirl]

I've lost a considerable amount of weight and feel better about how I look and how I feel. I can do housework without feeling like I'm dying. So, I like the left side picture better. But both are AI cartoons based on selfies.

Being healthier is the real benefit.

 

[MillieDynamite]

I need to get back to writing. No matter how much I don't want to live, I simply must!

 

[Cagivagurl]

Some thoughts on the difference between male and female perspectives. We often see the phenomenon explained as women being "less visual" but this provides an interesting alternative explanation.

https://www.maryharrington.co.uk/p/the-female-gaze

This week in silly internet discourse, the singer Olly Murs got fit, and posted Before and After shots. Then the psychologist William Costello posted the shots, and polled men and women on which looked better. More men chose the After shot, but vastly more women chose the Before. Cue pandemonium, including a lot of men saying the women who claim to prefer “Before” are lying.

The basis of the discussion is really. Do men and women see things differently??? Unless, I misunderstood...

IMO... Yes we do... However, I think it runs much deeper than that. We are all people, each of us unique, each of us flawed, and we all view the world differently.
The article itself is useless. The sample size to small, and it explains nothing... IMO...

Human beings are unique... Finding one answer that explains all our differences... Good luck.

Are men from Mars, and women from Venus????

Fuck no... Men are from Hell, women from Heaven...

Cagivagurl

 

[djrip]

Some thoughts on the difference between male and female perspectives. We often see the phenomenon explained as women being "less visual" but this provides an interesting alternative explanation.

https://www.maryharrington.co.uk/p/the-female-gaze

This week in silly internet discourse, the singer Olly Murs got fit, and posted Before and After shots. Then the psychologist William Costello posted the shots, and polled men and women on which looked better. More men chose the After shot, but vastly more women chose the Before. Cue pandemonium, including a lot of men saying the women who claim to prefer “Before” are lying.

For a second I thought this was going to be a legitimate news article. My bad.

It is, after all, a special case of the central liberal delusion that all people are the same: a dogma so central to the modern world that elaborate systems of law and social dogma exist to encourage compliance. ... And if a whole litany of apparent grievances flows from this, for any woman who has drunk the liberal feminist Kool-Aid, so too for any man who has (however unconsciously) accepted this the only possible outcome is confusion and anger, and accusations of lying and narcissism.

 

[Kelliezgirl]

For a second I thought this was going to be a legitimate news article. My bad.

Why would there be a news article on this topic to begin with?

 

[SmilingLez]

As a lesbian, i prefer a curvy woman.

 

[Kelliezgirl]

The basis of the discussion is really. Do men and women see things differently??? Unless, I misunderstood...

IMO... Yes we do... However, I think it runs much deeper than that. We are all people, each of us unique, each of us flawed, and we all view the world differently.
The article itself is useless. The sample size to small, and it explains nothing... IMO...

Human beings are unique... Finding one answer that explains all our differences... Good luck.

Are men from Mars, and women from Venus????

Fuck no... Men are from Hell, women from Heaven...

Cagivagurl

Yes, you misunderstood.
The issue is the WHY.

No one is proposing one answer that explains everything. If we were to apply your logic, then there would be no reason to differentiate between men and women in any psychology study. After all, everyone is unique so it would be a waste of time to draw any conclusions based on easily observable commonalities in a group.

 

[GuiltyCowboy]

Isn't the real question that comes out of this: why do some men find it so difficult to understand that their vanity is unattractive to women?

If you have an impressively athletic physique as a consequence of playing sport or dancing or whatever - that will probably make you more attractive. If you spend a vast amount of your spare time in a gym with the sole aim of acquiring that type of body - that will probably make you less attractive.

 

[SmilingLez]

Yes, you misunderstood.
The issue is the WHY.

No one is proposing one answer that explains everything. If we were to apply your logic, then there would be no reason to differentiate between men and women in any psychology study. After all, everyone is unique so it would be a waste of time to draw any conclusions based on easily observable commonalities in a group.

Maybe the "why" has to do with the fact that the male brain is drenched in testosterone as early as 7 weeks gestation

 

[AwkwardMD]

Maybe the "why" has to do with the fact that the male brain is drenched in testosterone as early as 7 weeks gestation

I read somewhere that the difference between most women's and men's world records, regardless of the sport, is 10% on average. Testosterone is the wildest PED, and nature gives guys whole shit tons of it. Where do you even start trying to untangle the effects of something like that?

 

[ShelbyDawn57]

I read somewhere that the difference between most women's and men's world records, regardless of the sport, is 10% on average. Testosterone is the wildest PED, and nature gives guys whole shit tons of it. Where do you even start trying to untangle the effects of something like that?

I've been trying to answer that question for a number of decades. Some research indicates that in addition to brain structure, lower amounts of testosterone in male fetuses could be a contributor to the development of MTF gender dysphoria. I inferred from what I read that elevated estrogen would also be a by product, but the report didn't say that outright.

Conversely, high amounts of testosterone in female fetuses(and lower estrogen) could be a contributing factor in FTM dysphoria.

The research continues...

EDIT: and this offers no explanation for Chris/Caitlyn Jenner's gold medals and transition.

 

[AwkwardMD]

I've been trying to answer that question for a number of decades. Some research indicates that in addition to brain structure, lower amounts of testosterone in male fetuses could be a contributor to the development of MTF gender dysphoria. I inferred from what I read that elevated estrogen would also be a by product, but the report didn't say that outright.

I think the interplay between these two is very much also affected by Androgen, which has a quieter-yet-proportionally-outsized effect on the two we tend to divide the differences between.

That being said, we're way outside of my area of expertise. I'm just regurgitating things I read years ago and my memory is very imperfect.

 

[Kelliezgirl]

Isn't the real question that comes out of this: why do some men find it so difficult to understand that their vanity is unattractive to women?

If you have an impressively athletic physique as a consequence of playing sport or dancing or whatever - that will probably make you more attractive. If you spend a vast amount of your spare time in a gym with the sole aim of acquiring that type of body - that will probably make you less attractive.

I'm not sure that that naturally follows. Getting fit from playing a sport is OK, but getting fit from going to the gym isn't? Even people who spend a tremendous amount of time playing a sport also work out in the gym.

 

[Kelliezgirl]

I read somewhere that the difference between most women's and men's world records, regardless of the sport, is 10% on average. Testosterone is the wildest PED, and nature gives guys whole shit tons of it. Where do you even start trying to untangle the effects of something like that?

10% is a HUGE amount. Even in sports where testosterone and the accompanying muscle mass isn't a big deal there are sizeable differences. The Men's Marathon record is 2:00:35, the women's is 2:09:56. Her pace was 4:57, which means she would have been 2 miles back when the man crossed the line.
Most women's world records in track and field events are equivalent to the boy's 14 and under US records. IE where puberty hits.