A cautious, thoughtful discussion of non-abusive incest between adults

[LFM90]

That’s so amazing

 

[Johhnyrotten]

would mil count ? not blood ?

 

[OneEyedSteve]

This issue of consent is not restricted to incestuous relationships, it applies equally to many non incestuous relationships where one partner participates in activity through coercion, not mutual desire. It's the nature of adult sexual relationships and the risk is the same whether the relationship is incestuous or non incestuous.

That's the basis of some adult relationships though. One partner is voluntarily subservient and wants the other partner to make demands of them.

 

[magicalmoments]

That's the basis of some adult relationships though. One partner is voluntarily subservient and wants the other partner to make demands of them.

a voluntary submissive/subservient partner is not being coerced.

 

[OneEyedSteve]

a voluntary submissive/subservient partner is not being coerced.

True

 

[Illgiveitatry1]

I had sex with my 60yo aunt when I was 19. It was over 2 wonderful weeks that I still have such fond memories of. Not very close from an incest perspective maybe, but it was so erotic.

Fuck that so hot would love to hear details

 

[1DarkNightOwl]

Here is the question: if both persons are at least eighteen, and both persons enter into such a relationship voluntarily, do we still call it incest? The word is stigmatizing, to say the least, and in many cases for good reason.

In my opinion no one at 18 or even 20 can never truly concent to sex with a parent or stepparent as I beleive their concent is at best a result of coercion of the older party. Same is true for aunts/ uncles.

Now if both parties are older, say 30+, then why not? Most individuals by this point in their lives have the experience and confidence to say no. They should be allowed to do what they want.

 

[Melody_Lightdraft2]

Even today I received a message from a woman who said she wants to be with her father, and she is simply the latest in a long line, along with men and women in every stage of life (not underage), some of them being players in what, to them, is absolutely normal but, normal or not, sometimes involves transgenerational incest even including reproduction.
I draw the line there, by the way, I'm just telling you what some people have told me about.
What I really wanted to explore today are the situations like the one a young adult woman mentioned to me today, a tale I've now heard many times. Or variations like young adult son with mother, etc. Here is the question: if both persons are at least eighteen, and both persons enter into such a relationship voluntarily, do we still call it incest? The word is stigmatizing, to say the least, and in many cases for good reason.
But adults can make choices. I also don't know what the law says about this--is it illegal if both parties are adults and it is consensual? There may be antiquated laws on the books, like the one that says adultery is illegal, that no politician has ever wanted to touch, for obvious reasons; but in the same way that no one gets prosecuted for adultery, would two adults with familial ties who are intimate with each other need to fear the law?
I don't know. I think it more likely they would need to fear social backlash, which would likely be severe.
Having said all this, after having read so many accounts of real life familial relationships (maybe that's a better term than incest in these cases) that were entered into enthusiastically by both parties, and which, as these people tell me, make them happy and fulfill certain needs they couldn't find elsewhere, I have come to the conclusion that sometimes, when it is the right two people, people who for whatever reasons this works for, specifically with the other right person in question, I actually support this.
Now, if after posting this I have not been banned from Lit, I would like to discuss this further, if y'all would.

It's the act of sexual intercourse itself that is illegal, even if both are of legal age and it's consensual.
Because the biological consequences if pregnancy occurs, we are talking of a serious risk of profound defects in the resulting child.
It can also cause an horrific emotional backlash, particularly if the younger party involved gets confused or even confuses lust, with love.

 

[Melody_Lightdraft2]

would mil count ? not blood ?

Not a close relation, I know that the UK is looked at banning Cousins getting married.

 

[OneEyedSteve]

I had a number of consensual experiences with one of my sisters, a very long time ago now. I guess I still consider it incest, and whilst I would never discuss it with anyone either of us know , I don't feel any shame regarding what we did.

 

[Ssajit]

I think its natural and being curious.
Myself and my cousin sister started checking each others private parts during childhood (both of us must be below 8 years that time). Later staying far away we didn't meet for many years. Next when we met we were 16 or 17 years of age and again we touched each others private parts and showing how our pubic hair are growing. Also touching pressing her breast. We also did humping on each other with clothes. Nothing happened after that or we talked about it. This is almost 35 years ago and we both are married with our partners.
I don't know if you call this incest as there wasn't any penetrative sex happened between us.

 

[Bobm269]

This issue of consent is not restricted to incestuous relationships, it applies equally to many non incestuous relationships where one partner participates in activity through coercion, not mutual desire. It's the nature of adult sexual relationships and the risk is the same whether the relationship is incestuous or non incestuous.

The concept of consent goes along with so many traits - respect, trust, compassion. For me, I think it does. Truly respects someone’s consent/boundaries, and the resulting connection and pleasure can go beyond what was imagined. I have found that my willingness to be open and please has given some of those in my life the freedom of me In the various relationships I have, yea I know that is not super clear. Being “available” is important for me to support these intimate relationships. I have created a safe space so that nothing is forbidden to discuss, there is no shaming of bodies or desires (they are natural), freedom to roam how we want, and supportive in learning and exploring.

 

[gunkboy]

Even today I received a message from a woman who said she wants to be with her father, and she is simply the latest in a long line, along with men and women in every stage of life (not underage), some of them being players in what, to them, is absolutely normal but, normal or not, sometimes involves transgenerational incest even including reproduction.
I draw the line there, by the way, I'm just telling you what some people have told me about.
What I really wanted to explore today are the situations like the one a young adult woman mentioned to me today, a tale I've now heard many times. Or variations like young adult son with mother, etc. Here is the question: if both persons are at least eighteen, and both persons enter into such a relationship voluntarily, do we still call it incest? The word is stigmatizing, to say the least, and in many cases for good reason.
But adults can make choices. I also don't know what the law says about this--is it illegal if both parties are adults and it is consensual? There may be antiquated laws on the books, like the one that says adultery is illegal, that no politician has ever wanted to touch, for obvious reasons; but in the same way that no one gets prosecuted for adultery, would two adults with familial ties who are intimate with each other need to fear the law?
I don't know. I think it more likely they would need to fear social backlash, which would likely be severe.
Having said all this, after having read so many accounts of real life familial relationships (maybe that's a better term than incest in these cases) that were entered into enthusiastically by both parties, and which, as these people tell me, make them happy and fulfill certain needs they couldn't find elsewhere, I have come to the conclusion that sometimes, when it is the right two people, people who for whatever reasons this works for, specifically with the other right person in question, I actually support this.
Now, if after posting this I have not been banned from Lit, I would like to discuss this further, if y'all would.

My wife has confessed that she had a great sexual attraction to her father growing up. Apparently he was not open to her not so subtle advances. Instead suggested counseling. She did not opt for counseling. And, it ended up being nothing more than a teenage fantasy. But, it makes for erotic sharing. Even years after.

 

[gunkboy]

I think its natural and being curious.
Myself and my cousin sister started checking each others private parts during childhood (both of us must be below 8 years that time). Later staying far away we didn't meet for many years. Next when we met we were 16 or 17 years of age and again we touched each others private parts and showing how our pubic hair are growing. Also touching pressing her breast. We also did humping on each other with clothes. Nothing happened after that or we talked about it. This is almost 35 years ago and we both are married with our partners.
I don't know if you call this incest as there wasn't any penetrative sex happened between us.

My older sister and I did similar. But, also no penetration. She was the first girl I ever saw closeup naked. And, also touched and explored. We are also married with children now. And, have never mentioned it since all those years ago.

 

[1DarkNightOwl]

My older sister and I did similar. But, also no penetration. She was the first girl I ever saw closeup naked. And, also touched and explored. We are also married with children now. And, have never mentioned it since all those years ago.

This thread does pose an interesting question. To me anyway.

If we look how attitudes to sex have changed in just the last 2 generations, I wonder if in another couple of generations incest for pure physical pleasure will be tolerated or even accepted?

 

[UnexpectedLuggage]

Between consenting adults, and not gonna lead to any weird Hapsburg type shit? Knock yourselves out.

 

[Ssajit]

My older sister and I did similar. But, also no penetration. She was the first girl I ever saw closeup naked. And, also touched and explored. We are also married with children now. And, have never mentioned it since all those years ago.

So its natural I belive

 

[bumpinthenight2022]

I have a few cousins who are drop dead gorgeous. We're all pretty close in age, within a year of each other. And when we were teenagers I used to masturbate wildly to the thought of sleeping with them. I did fuck one of them (my cousin's half sister so this girl was a cousin by marriage) during this time, we had a long weekend together and to this day, quite memorable. I held a lot of guilt for it for a while but later in my adult years, I kinda settled on the idea that cousins are perfect FWB. You do, genuinely love each other, can be great friends, can be very open and honest with each other, and ultimately, have to let each other go when they get into a relationship. I'd love to have a FWB with any of those cousins, by marriage or not. Just another way for us to "hang out." We'd never want these as "primary" or romantic relationships. Just a good way to "vent" that energy.

At this point though, I'm late 30s, married, and have a beautiful step daughter. I never looked at her sexually until I'd say, she initiated. She would make weird little comments that, were they coming from any other female, I'd have definitely interpreted as flirtations. But from her? I rejected and deflected them. Later, her mother discovered her secret phone where she was texting boys and girls, inviting her friends to have a "squirt party" and texting boys videos of herself masturbating. We later learned that out of spite for not getting a Valentine's Day gift, she walked into the locker room in front of her boyfriend and gave everyone there head--he stayed with her. Unable to deal with this, her mother asked me to talk to her and our conversation on sex was really easygoing. She says she's done oral but never any penetrative sex. Lately, her mother has been traveling for work and my SD, strictly on those weeks, walks around the house in her panties and bra. She bends over in front of me. And she'll try to initiate physical contact, most recently she went in my bathroom (while I'm still waking up/in bed) and "bumped her knee" then put her leg on the frame of my bed, elevating her knee, asking me to kiss it and make it feel better, while only wearing her bra and panties, and I'm only in my boxer briefs, with a raging morning wood (I'm 6'4", 200 lbs, athletic build, 8.5" and girthy BBC, she's 5'3" maybe 110 lbs with these perfectly perky b cup tits, black ballerina, we can both see EVERYTHING on each other). I kissed my hand, slapped her knee, and told her to get out.

I keep saying this but I'm -->||<-- close to fucking her. She is of legal age so I'm not worried about that. I'm moreso concerned about how our relationship would change. I don't want her to one day be, let's say in her 40s and look back at this time and think I'm a pervert. I guess, I'm saying I'm afraid her her changing her mind on his she feels about it. I always want her to look at my with the admiration a daughter should have for her father and I don't want that to change.

But I am a healthy red blooded man who DID NOT pursue her, but only responded to the advances of a very attractive, physically fit, non related woman (in the eyes of the law).

And as I think about it, similarly to the cousin bit, I could be the perfect person to share that journey with her. I do love her. She gets to preserve her status publicly as that unattainable girl. I have a vasectomy so no risk of pregnancy. We would get to truly take our time and enjoy the experience instead of rushed moments trying to not get caught. And I don't want to control her, I'd still want her to have "normal" relationships and experiences, fully knowing that when she's ready to have a serious relationship with someone her age, it's time for us to end. As far as her mother is concerned, yes, it's wrong that I'm cheating, especially given who I'm cheating with, but in a sense, at least I'm not "running the streets" and embarrassing her. I'm not "spending money" on another woman with gifts and trips (the two biggest complaints when I cheated on her before ... I think being sexually involved with another woman was actually the least of her concerns). So it's like yeah, when she's gone out of town for weeks at a time, she doesn't have to worry about another woman (which I know she does, I haven't cheated again though), my needs are still being taken care of at home, and in fact, my SD and I are taking care of each other. I'm giving her a safe, private way to sexually express herself and she's giving me a safe, private way to get through a dry spell.

It's all very frustrating. I do JO A LOT just trying to "get it out" so I'm not horny when she's walking around in her bra and panties. I've taken to putting her worn panties on my face so I can inhale her scent while I'm doing it, sometimes leaving a deposit in her clean panties and putting them back in her drawer. Between her perfume and her pussy she smells mind-melting amazing. I literally nut harder when he panties and both on my face and wrapped around my dick, than I do when I'm fucking her mother, who if also knock out gorgeous.

 

[Dangerousliaisons]

Late eighties and nineties,during my sisters first divorce and the run up to my first wedding,we became consensual lovers

 

[bumpinthenight2022]

Late eighties and nineties,during my sisters first divorce and the run up to my first wedding,we became consensual lovers

This is like the third time you've posted this, on this sub alone.

 

[dirk2024]

would mil count ? not blood ?

Perhaps not incest, but it would be considered Taboo.