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[ll74]

Jews thrive under Democrat governments.

*Democratic

 

[JohnEngelman]

No, it doesn't. If that were even a little bit true, then you'd see a lot of very unqualified Black and Latino kids getting into the Ivies. I know a number of perfectly intelligent POC (and more recently the children thereof) who didn't get into the likes of Harvard, Princeton, etc. What it does do is acknowledge that a kid who grew up in an inner-city slum and still managed to make decent grades probably had to work harder to achieve that success than a kid from an affluent suburb with a similar GPA. And also that before Affirmative Action, even with excellent grades that kid still wouldn't get in.

Look at it this way. Snooty University has a very prestigious grad program that only takes twenty applicants a year. Among the top twenty white Christian male applicants, on a scale of 1-10 where 10 is extremely well suited to the program, the breakdown looks like this:

Applicant A - 10
Applicant B - 10
Applicant C - 9
Applicant D - 9
Applicant E - 9
Applicant F - 8
Applicant G - 8
Applicant H - 7
Applicant I - 7
Applicant J - 7
Applicant K - 6
Applicant L - 6
Applicant M - 6
Applicant N - 6
Applicant O - 6
Applicant P - 5
Applicant Q - 5
Applicant R - 5
Applicant S - 5
Applicant T - 5

For simplicity's sake, say there are also 20 white Christian women, 20 Jews, 20 Blacks and 20 Asians with the same distribution. Before Affirmative Action, Snooty University could (and many real universities actually did) simply admit the top 20 white male applicants, even though there were plenty of others who were clearly more qualified. If it was a progressive administration for its time, they might set aside a few spots for women (Yale Law famously did that in the pre-feminist era). Admit the top two white women. Then you'd end up with four 10's admitted, but still three white guys who were only a 5 and got in while lots of 9's and 10s did not.

After Affirmative Action, you'd probably see all ten of the 10s admitted. For the remaining ten spots, there are 15 9's to choose from, and yes, that means some deserving applicants won't make the cut. But those who don't make it would not be losing out to less qualified applicants, they'd be losing out to equally or better-qualified ones. In other words, it's the white male 5's and 6's that are losing their shot at the brass ring. Too bad for them, but in a world without racism and sexism they wouldn't have been making it that far in the first place. At this point it's also worth pointing out that the loudest opponents of DEI are almost always also big on having no handouts and letting people "pull themselves up by the bootstraps" (which incidentally originated as an example of something impossible to do!). So if the white male 5's and 6's want to get back in the game, they should simply try harder to reach the 9-10 range.

AI Overview

Average IQ scores by group

• Asians (East Asians): Various studies suggest that East Asian populations, including Chinese, Japanese, and Koreans, have average IQ scores slightly higher than those of white populations, often cited around 105.
• Whites (Europeans): This group typically has an average IQ score centered around 100, which is the reference mean for most IQ tests.
• Jews (Ashkenazi): Studies have shown that Ashkenazi Jews have particularly high average scores on verbal IQ tests, with some estimates placing their mean full-scale IQ slightly higher than that of the general white population. However, there is debate over the exact figure.
• Blacks (African Americans): Average IQ scores for African Americans tend to be lower than those of white populations, with a difference that is not a matter of empirical dispute. Scores are often cited around 85.
• https://www.google.com/search?q="av...IzLjS4B80QwgcIMC44LjE5LjHIB3o&sclient=gws-wiz

 

[JohnEngelman]

*Democratic

OK. Jews thrive under Democratic governments. is that better?

I am a Democrat, but I recognize that Republican governments are democratic too.

 

[ll74]

OK. Jews thrive under Democratic governments. is that better?

It's the correct word now, yes.

 

[HisArpy]

It's the correct word now, yes.

Not necessarily.

 

[ll74]

Not necessarily.

It's the name of the party.

 

[HisArpy]

It's the name of the party.

And?

 

[Rightguide]

It's the name of the party.

Yes, but it's only a name, which has no relationship to their totalitarian goals, like advancing a presidential candidate without a primary vote.

 

[ll74]

Yes, but it's only a name

Which you can't seem to get correct.

, which has no relationship to their totalitarian goals, like advancing a presidential candidate without a primary vote.

I'm talking about the name of the party.

 

[ll74]

And?

That's it. A correction.

 

[Rightguide]

Which you can't seem to get correct.


I'm talking about the name of the party.

Yes, I know. The name of the Party has no relation to the party's totalitarian goals and policies.

 

[ll74]

Yes, I know. The name of the Party has no relation to the party's totalitarian goals and policies.

You said that already. That has no relevance to you correctly using the name of the party.

 

[YDB95]

AI Overview

Average IQ scores by group

• Asians (East Asians): Various studies suggest that East Asian populations, including Chinese, Japanese, and Koreans, have average IQ scores slightly higher than those of white populations, often cited around 105.
• Whites (Europeans): This group typically has an average IQ score centered around 100, which is the reference mean for most IQ tests.
• Jews (Ashkenazi): Studies have shown that Ashkenazi Jews have particularly high average scores on verbal IQ tests, with some estimates placing their mean full-scale IQ slightly higher than that of the general white population. However, there is debate over the exact figure.
• Blacks (African Americans): Average IQ scores for African Americans tend to be lower than those of white populations, with a difference that is not a matter of empirical dispute. Scores are often cited around 85.
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• https://www.google.com/search?q="average+IQ"+++blacks+++whites+++Asians+++Jews&sca_esv=2485b17250e0dec8&source=hp&ei=rPG6aIeIEK-fptQPlsrdsQc&iflsig=AOw8s4IAAAAAaLr_vDNtaP3Y3wJMEckkSTanWXpzhUwl&ved=0ahUKEwiHjovR6MGPAxWvj4kEHRZlN3YQ4dUDCBA&uact=5&oq="average+IQ"+++blacks+++whites+++Asians+++Jews&gs_lp=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_O8AbIHBDIzLjS4B80QwgcIMC44LjE5LjHIB3o&sclient=gws-wiz

Irrelevant to my point, and also ignores evidence of bias in IQ testing.

 

[JohnEngelman]

Irrelevant to my point, and also ignores evidence of bias in IQ testing.

IQ testing is biased in favor of intelligent individuals, and races where these intelligent individuals predominate.

 

[YDB95]

IQ testing is biased in favor of intelligent individuals, and races where these intelligent individuals predominate.

Yes, I get that you've chosen to believe that in order to justify your racism.

 

[DeluxAuto]

Not really. The Democratic Party loves to preach tolerance, but its record tells a different story. Antisemitism isn’t an occasional slip within the party, it’s become embedded. From members of “The Squad” vilifying Israel while excusing terror groups, to party leaders looking the other way, Jew-hatred has been rebranded as “progressive politics.” The Biden administration made it worse. By opening the doors to tens of thousands from regions openly hostile to Israel, and funneling many of them into colleges and universities, this White House has imported Hamas sympathizers straight into America’s cultural bloodstream. The result is a campus climate where Jewish students are harassed and threatened, while administrators bend over backwards to defend the very voices calling for Israel’s destruction. What we’re seeing isn’t just political negligence, it’s complicity. The Democratic Party once counted Jewish Americans as some of its most loyal supporters. Now, through cowardice and cynical pandering, it has chosen to empower those who despise them.

You gave up everything you ever believed in to worship a weak tyrant.

Fuck off, Jack.

 

[JohnEngelman]

Yes, I get that you've chosen to believe that in order to justify your racism.

Where is your evidence that my belief is not true? I say after Professor Arthur Jensen of Berkley, "Look at the data."

 

[YDB95]

Where is your evidence that my belief is not true?

It is very, very easy to find if you can be bothered to look for it. Just for one example:

One poignant case study involved a gifted program in a California school district that had been predominantly serving White students, despite a rapidly diversifying population. Upon examination, educators discovered that the assessment criteria relied heavily on linguistic skills and cultural knowledge unfamiliar to many minority students. Consequently, the district revamped its approach, implementing a more holistic evaluation process that included performance tasks and student portfolios. The results were significant: enrollment in gifted programs among Hispanic and Black students increased by 40% within three years, indicating that when tests honor cultural differences, they not only empower individuals but enrich educational environments as a whole.

https://blogs.psico-smart.com/blog-...lications-for-test-design-and-fairness-172557

 

[JohnEngelman]

It is very, very easy to find if you can be bothered to look for it. Just for one example:


https://blogs.psico-smart.com/blog-...lications-for-test-design-and-fairness-172557

IQ tests exist that require no knowledge of reading, mathematics, or English. Race gaps persist.

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It’s Been 20 Years Since No Child Left Behind. What’d We Learn?​

ByFrederick Hess,
Former Contributor.
Rick Hess is a scholar who writes about K-12 and higher education.

Sep 21, 2022, 06:00am EDT

The Gains Came at a Cost. The hope was that NCLB would raise “the ceiling” (promote educational excellence) as well as raise the floor (boost the performance of low-performing students). In practice, it didn’t really work out that way. School systems wound up resorting to all kinds of dubious, anti-excellence strategies in order to raise the floor. Meanwhile, they cut back on social studies, civics, the arts, recess, and gifted education in order to devote more time to tested subjects. All of this tended to lower the ceiling. Scores may have gone up, but it wasn’t clear students were learning more—and high-achievers tended to get put on the back-burner.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/freder...rs-since-no-child-left-behind-whatd-we-learn/

 

[YDB95]

IQ tests exist that require no knowledge of reading, mathematics, or English. Race gaps persist.

Now it's my turn to ask you for a cite. The one you provide here makes no mention of IQ tests.

It’s Been 20 Years Since No Child Left Behind. What’d We Learn?​

ByFrederick Hess,
Former Contributor.
Rick Hess is a scholar who writes about K-12 and higher education.

Sep 21, 2022, 06:00am EDT

The Gains Came at a Cost. The hope was that NCLB would raise “the ceiling” (promote educational excellence) as well as raise the floor (boost the performance of low-performing students). In practice, it didn’t really work out that way. School systems wound up resorting to all kinds of dubious, anti-excellence strategies in order to raise the floor. Meanwhile, they cut back on social studies, civics, the arts, recess, and gifted education in order to devote more time to tested subjects. All of this tended to lower the ceiling. Scores may have gone up, but it wasn’t clear students were learning more—and high-achievers tended to get put on the back-burner.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/freder...rs-since-no-child-left-behind-whatd-we-learn/

Only fair to remember that NCLB was the work of staunch opponents of Affirmative Action who insisted on pretending kids from the ghetto could somehow perform just as well as kids who went to Andover if only they tried harder. So its failure is neither here nor there with respect to the question of whether Affirmative Action works.

 

[JohnEngelman]

Now it's my turn to ask you for a cite. The one you provide here makes no mention of IQ tests.

On the internet I could not find information specifically on culture free IQ tests. i did find this:

Latest Research on Black and White IQ, March 22, 2023​

In fact, there is overwhelming evidence to suggest that the black-white IQ gap is genetic and many of these studies are quite recent. Without an introduction to these findings, the public will be unable to form a logical opinion on the matter. Therefore, in this piece, readers will be invited to a synopsis of the latest findings in intelligence research.

The objective of this article is to disseminate obscure research to a discerning public with the expectation that readers will scrutinize these conclusions for themselves. Richard Lynn in his pioneering 2015 book Race Differences in Intelligence: An Evolutionary Analysis, points out that when tests measure the intelligence of black and white university students from similar backgrounds whites still record an IQ advantage. Similarly, comparisons of elite African students with European university students show an IQ advantage for whites.

Davide Piffer in a recent paper measuring gaps in intelligence between Africans and Europeans found that Europeans have higher polygenic scores for educational attainment than Africans. Due to significant differences between Africans and Europeans at the genetic loci linked to educational attainment, Piffer diminished environmental influences as a significant explanation for the black-white IQ gap. Furthermore, advances in admixture studies equally confirm the genetic basis of the black-white IQ gap.

https://www.eurocanadians.ca/2023/03/latest-research-black-and-white-iq

Most people want desperately to close the race gap in intelligence. If a method could be found that achieved this on a large scale it would be adopted on a large scale.

 

[JohnEngelman]

Only fair to remember that NCLB was the work of staunch opponents of Affirmative Action.

Can you document this? What I read is that initially there was nearly universal optimism that No Child Left Behind would achieve its goals.

 

[YDB95]

On the internet I could not find information specifically on culture free IQ tests.

Then why did you claim "IQ tests exist that require no knowledge of reading, mathematics, or English. Race gaps persist."? Either you know of examples of that or you don't, and here you are saying you don't.

i did find this:

https://www.eurocanadians.ca/2023/03/latest-research-black-and-white-iq

The Council of European Canadians is the brainchild of Ricardo Duchesne, a recognized white supremacist. It's no surprise at all that you'd find support for your views on a site like that.

Most people want desperately to close the race gap in intelligence. If a method could be found that achieved this on a large scale it would be adopted on a large scale.

I wish I could share your optimism on that one. In the country that elected Trump twice, I no longer believe this.

Can you document this? What I read is that initially there was nearly universal optimism that No Child Left Behind would achieve its goals.

What you read? You're substantially older than I am, which means you are easily old enough to remember 2002 and NCLB yourself. You surely remember it was officially the work of George W.M.D. Bush, which of course means it really came from some right-wing think tank. Nuff said.

 

[JohnEngelman]

Then why did you claim "IQ tests exist that require no knowledge of reading, mathematics, or English. Race gaps persist."? Either you know of examples of that or you don't, and here you are saying you don't.


The Council of European Canadians is the brainchild of Ricardo Duchesne, a recognized white supremacist. It's no surprise at all that you'd find support for your views on a site like that.


I wish I could share your optimism on that one. In the country that elected Trump twice, I no longer believe this.


What you read? You're substantially older than I am, which means you are easily old enough to remember 2002 and NCLB yourself. You surely remember it was officially the work of George W.M.D. Bush, which of course means it really came from some right-wing think tank. Nuff said.

I am widely read, but everything I read is not on the Intrnet.

This is President Bush introducing No Child Left Behind.

https://www.bing.com/videos/rivervi...eft+behind+act+of+2001+%2b+optimism&FORM=VDRE

 

[JohnEngelman]

The author of the article showed you is black.

https://www.linkedin.com/in/lipton-matthews-123ab247