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[Politruk]

Your goose-stepping anti-Semitism is in full hob-nailed glory today.

There can be no question that if you had been a German in the 1920s-30s, you would have been a zealous SA man. (You wouldn't qualify for the SS.)

 

[Politruk]

The actions of the genocidal Zionists have ensured that there will be another generation of resistance fighters. What else are the Palestinian people in Gaza to do when their families have been largely wiped out?

I'm glad to see that a Pew poll finds that a majority of Americans hold an unfavorable view of Israel:

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/majority-americans-hold-unfavourable-view-israel-pew-poll-finds

It's sickening how so many US politicians are in the pockets of Zionists, and are serving a foreign power in Israel before they serve the American people. More and more people can see this, at last.

Using "Zionist" a lot has definite CT resonances. In your case I will attribute it to the inevitable ideological antipathy of international communists to nationalists of any kind.

 

[RandyRebecca]

Using "Zionist" a lot has definite CT resonances. In your case I will attribute it to the inevitable ideological antipathy of international communists to nationalists of any kind.

It isn't just Israel that I'm talking about, but politicians in the US who serve them through lobby groups like AIPAC. These are the same sort of politicians who supported the Palmer Raids and McCarthyism in the past, yet here they are serving Israel.

The Bernie Sanders and AOC rally removing a Palestinian flag also shows the controlled opposition aspect.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

Feed the pigeons and rave on old man.

We don't all share and enjoy your hobbies Ostrich.

 

[Politruk]

It isn't just Israel that I'm talking about, but politicians in the US who serve them through lobby groups like AIPAC. These are the same sort of politicians who supported the Palmer Raids and McCarthyism in the past, yet here they are serving Israel.

So? Israel ain't Communist, never was, despite fascist fantasies to the contrary.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

It isn't just Israel that I'm talking about, but politicians in the US who serve them through lobby groups like AIPAC. These are the same sort of politicians who supported the Palmer Raids and McCarthyism in the past, yet here they are serving Israel.

The Bernie Sanders and AOC rally removing a Palestinian flag also shows the controlled opposition aspect.

Bernie and AOC have learned that the Palestinian flag is divisive and a performative luxury that the left can't afford in the fight to defeat fascism at home.

 

[RandyRebecca]

Bernie and AOC have learned that the Palestinian flag is divisive and a performative luxury that the left can't afford in the fight to defeat fascism at home.

The Republicans currently control the Presidency, Senate and House through democracy. All this liberal cry of "fascism! fascism!" is like the boy who cried wolf.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

The Republicans currently control the Presidency, Senate and House through democracy. All this liberal cry of "fascism! fascism!" is like the boy who cried wolf.

Hitler rose to power by being voted in. The Republicans are snatching people off the streets and shipping them off to concentration camps. What will it take to convince the socialists to fight against them?

 

[RandyRebecca]

Hitler rose to power by being voted in. The Republicans are snatching people off the streets and shipping them off to concentration camps. What will it take to get the socialists to fight against them?

Actually no. The Nazis won the July 1932 and November 1932 elections (a bigger win in July), but were locked out of power by the other parties initially. It was only when the Chancellorships of Franz von Papen and Kurt von Schleicher failed to restore capitalist "order" that Von Papen offered Adolf Hitler the Chancellorship on January 30, 1933.

The Nazis got into power by Hitler being appointed Chancellor on January 30, 1933. They proceeded to use the SA stormtroopers to utterly smash the German labor movement, the strongest in Europe, and put prominent communists, socialists and trade unionists into the Dachau concentration camp.

 

[RandyRebecca]

Hitler rose to power by being voted in. The Republicans are snatching people off the streets and shipping them off to concentration camps. What will it take to convince the socialists to fight against them?

Another thing about fascism. The government and its apparatus has an obsessive control everywhere, including anti-worker nationalizations of the big corporations. Mussolini called it a merger of corporate and state power.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

Actually no. The Nazis won the July 1932 and November 1932 elections (a bigger win in July), but were locked out of power by the other parties initially. It was only when the Chancellorships of Franz von Papen and Kurt von Schleicher failed to restore capitalist "order" that Von Papen offered Adolf Hitler the Chancellorship on January 30, 1933.

The Nazis got into power by Hitler being appointed Chancellor on January 30, 1933. They proceeded to use the SA stormtroopers to utterly smash the German labor movement, the strongest in Europe, and put prominent communists, socialists and trade unionists into the Dachau concentration camp.

Trump isn't going to stop with just using ICE against immigrants. Every American is in danger of being shipped off to a foreign camp if they don't comply. Now is not the time to apply purity tests for those willing to oppose him.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

Another thing about fascism. The government and its apparatus has an obsessive control everywhere, including anti-worker nationalizations of the big corporations. Mussolini called it a merger of corporate and state power.

This is why we can defeat Trump. He stupidly alienated the veterans and the farmers early on. He doesn't have mass support. If we keep up the pressure his administration will crack.

 

[Lazaran]

The actions of the genocidal Zionists have ensured that there will be another generation of resistance fighters. What else are the Palestinian people in Gaza to do when their families have been largely wiped out?

I'm glad to see that a Pew poll finds that a majority of Americans hold an unfavorable view of Israel:

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/majority-americans-hold-unfavourable-view-israel-pew-poll-finds

It's sickening how so many US politicians are in the pockets of Zionists, and are serving a foreign power in Israel before they serve the American people. More and more people can see this, at last.

"Becky" obviously "thinks" that no other foreign nations / interests (Russia??? The Saudis???) besides Israel / "Zionists" have SOME sway over American politics…



"Becky"



Also:

We. Told. Them. So.

 

[RobDownSouth]

This is a direct link to the Pew Poll referenced in the biased link above.

Pew did an excellent job slicing and dicing all the internals in the poll and compared results to the last time they conducted the poll.

Something for everyone in there.

The things that stood out to me is

1. Trump has screwed up the American economy so badly that Americans no longer consider the Israeli pogrom against the Gazans to be "very important" .
2. Trump's idea to turn Gaza into a "beachfront resort" is hugely unpopular with Americans: 62% of Americans oppose the U.S. taking over Gaza (49% who strongly oppose this). 15% think it is a splendid idea and 22% don't know and/or don't give a fuck.
3. 53% of Americans now express a somewhat or very unfavorable opinion of Israel. This is significantly higher than the 43% who felt that way back in early 2022.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

This is a direct link to the Pew Poll referenced in the biased link above.

Pew did an excellent job slicing and dicing all the internals in the poll and compared results to the last time they conducted the poll.

Something for everyone in there.

The things that stood out to me is

1. Trump has screwed up the American economy so badly that Americans no longer consider the Israeli pogrom against the Gazans to be "very important" .
2. Trump's idea to turn Gaza into a "beachfront resort" is hugely unpopular with Americans: 62% of Americans oppose the U.S. taking over Gaza (49% who strongly oppose this). 15% think it is a splendid idea and 22% don't know and/or don't give a fuck.
3. 53% of Americans now express a somewhat or very unfavorable opinion of Israel. This is significantly higher than the 43% who felt that way back in early 2022.

There has been no "Israeli pogrom against the Gazans"

October 7th was a classic pogrom -- an orgy of rape, murder and kidnapping directed again the Jews who lived near Gaza.

Calling Israel's response to the October 7th attack a "pogrom" is an example of DARVO -- Deny, Attack, Reverse Victim and Offender.

 

[RandyRebecca]

There has been no "Israeli pogrom against the Gazans"

October 7th was a classic pogrom -- an orgy of rape, murder and kidnapping directed again the Jews who lived near Gaza.

Calling Israel's response to the October 7th attack a "pogrom" is an example of DARVO -- Deny, Attack, Reverse Victim and Offender.

Are you brainwashed, or deliberately spreading misinformation?

October 7, 2023 was not the start of this.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

Are you brainwashed, or deliberately spreading misinformation?

October 7, 2023 was not the start of this.

What do you consider "the start of this"?

 

[RandyRebecca]

What do you consider "the start of this"?

At least 1947-1948 with the UN Partition Plan and the Nakba, the latter of which saw over 700,000 Palestinians expelled from their land. You can make a case as far back as 1917, when the British promised Palestine to both the Arabs and to the Jews, in different deals, at a time when the Jewish population of Palestine was well under 10%. By 1947, the Jewish population of Palestine was more like 33% (pre-Nakba).

The warmongers act like Gaza was fine before October 7, 2023, and Ukraine was fine before February 24, 2022. Laughable.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

At least 1947-1948 with the UN Partition Plan and the Nakba, the latter of which saw over 700,000 Palestinians expelled from their land. You can make a case as far back as 1917, when the British promised Palestine to both the Arabs and to the Jews, in different deals.

The Arabs got Jordan in 47-48 and the Jews got Israel. That would have been the end of it, but the Arabs wanted everything. All the trouble since has been because of the Arabs have refused to accept Jewish autonomy in their ancestral homeland. The colonizers want to re-establish their colonial dominion over the Jews.

 

[Politruk]

The Arabs got Jordan in 47-48 and the Jews got Israel. That would have been the end of it, but the Arabs wanted everything. All the trouble since has been because of the Arabs have refused to accept Jewish autonomy in their ancestral homeland. The colonizers want to re-establish their colonial dominion over the Jews.

What colonizers? The Arabs were never colonizers in the MENA, only the Europeans were -- and they are not seeking to re-establish any colonial dominion.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

What colonizers? The Arabs were never colonizers in the MENA, only the Europeans were -- and they are not seeking to re-establish any colonial dominion.

The Arabs erupted out of the Arabian peninsula in 632 AD and conquered half the globe from Spain to Indonesia including the Roman colony of Palestine (Eretz Yisrael).

The intolerance of Islam toward Judaism goes back to the prophet himself. The Christians may have been voracious colonizers, but Jesus, unlike Mohammed, never personally massacred Jews.

 

[Politruk]

The Arabs erupted out of the Arabian peninsula in 632 AD

You can't seriously believe any event that old matters now. Not even a Jew, who thinks in terms of Exodus times, could believe that. No event before 1900 is relevant to any of this.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

You can't seriously believe any event that old matters now. Not even a Jew, who thinks in terms of Exodus times, could believe that. No event before 1900 is relevant to any of this.

One can't deny that the creation of modern Israel is an example of an indigenous people rising up any throwing off their colonial oppressors. The Palestinian cause is simply the former colonizers wanting to turn back the clock and return to the state of affairs in Mandatory Palestine, where the Arabs were in control and the Jews were second-class citizens.

The chant "Khaybar, Khaybar, ya yahud!" referencing Mohammed's massacre of the Jews in 628 is a modern invention.

 

[RandyRebecca]

One can't deny that the creation of modern Israel is an example of an indigenous people rising up any throwing off their colonial oppressors.

It was the exact opposite. It used the historical oppression of Jews and the horrors of the Holocaust as a cover in order to bring into being an ethno-nationalist state built on terrorism and ethnic cleansing. In 1947-1948, over 700,000 indigenous Palestinian people were expelled from their land! That was clearly done to create a "Jewish majority" of citizens. In 1947, as I said before, the Jewish population in Palestine was about 33% (and less than 10% in 1917). Expel over 700,000 of the 1.6 million Muslim and Christian Palestinian population in 1947-1948, and things change a lot in terms of the demographics.

The Palestinian cause is simply the former colonizers wanting to turn back the clock and return to the state of affairs in Mandatory Palestine, where the Arabs were in control and the Jews were second-class citizens.

The British were in control of Mandatory Palestine, and before that the Ottoman Turks controlled Palestine.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

It was the exact opposite. It used the historical oppression of Jews and the horrors of the Holocaust as a cover in order to bring into being an ethno-nationalist state built on terrorism and ethnic cleansing. In 1947-1948, over 700,000 indigenous Palestinian people were expelled from their land! That was clearly done to create a "Jewish majority" of citizens. In 1947, as I said before, the Jewish population in Palestine was about 33% (and less than 10% in 1917). Expel over 700,000 of the 1.6 million Muslim and Christian Palestinian population in 1947-1948, and things change a lot in terms of the demographics.


The British were in control of Mandatory Palestine, and before that the Ottoman Turks controlled Palestine.

The Jewish population of Israel was swollen by them taking in Jewish refugees who had been ethnically cleansed from the other parts of the Middle East.