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Rightguide said:
The Ukrainian people haven't spoken on the subject. Zelensky hasn't allowed an election since his term expired on May 20, 2024. He is a dictator at this point with poor poll numbers.
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The Ukrainian constitution does not allow elections in wartime. And if there were an election, Zelensky could not be replaced by a candidate who wanted to settle the war Trump's and Putin's way. Only a real warhawk would have a chance.
 
Rightguide said:
The Ukrainian people haven't spoken on the subject.
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Yes, they continue to stand in defense of their country.

Rightguide said:
Zelensky hasn't allowed an election since his term expired on May 20, 2024. He is a dictator at this point with poor poll numbers.
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Putin is a dictator.

The Ukranian Parliament has maintained martial law since the invasion. A fifth of the country is under occupation by hostile forces. A large majority of the country is fighting against invaders.

In accordance with the Ukranian Constitution, an election will not be held until the Ukranian Parliament withdraws martial law. The next renewal is scheduled for May 2025.
 
Rightguide said:
The Ukrainian people haven't spoken on the subject. Zelensky hasn't allowed an election since his term expired on May 20, 2024. He is a dictator at this point with poor poll numbers.
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Great Britain didn’t have an election for 10 years during WWII, did that make Churchill a dictator!? You are straight up repeating Russian talking points!
 
Rightguide said:
No, you are failing to understand what is really happening versus what the leftwing echo chamber is saying. You have no idea what is being said in those negotiations.
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You idiot. I’m referring only to your hero’s own words.


https://apnews.com/article/ukraine-russia-trump-war-zelenskyy-putin-7fe8c0c80b4e93e3bc079c621a44e8bb

WHAT TRUMP SAID: “You’ve been there for three years. You should have ended it. ... You should have never started it. You could have made a deal.”


Just fuck off with your sniveling propaganda simp shit. Your anti-intellectualism makes every conversation here a race to the bottom.
 
Politruk said:
Because Putin wants to make Russia a world power of the first rank once again, and the international community cannot afford to allow that.
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This is the only reason any of this is happening. If Russia had a president reasonable enough to accept his country's reduced status, there would be no war. Russia has no reason to fear a situation in which all the countries on its western border are NATO members.
 
icanhelp1 said:
I respectfully disagree. Before the invasion first began, when Russian troops amass divisions along the Ukraine border the US and NATO should have shown solidarity at that time in history. Should have warned Putin there will not be another incursion into Ukraine or you risk war!!!. 6 months prior to the invasion NATO forces should have gone into full deployment mode. One aspect of the invasion was Zelensky wasn't allowed to target cities in Russia, his hands were tied. If a war is unavoidable then both sides need to suffer but as usual, just like the annexation of Crimea, the invasion of the Donbas region, the response was minimal by the West, typical show of weakness.
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Hind sight and all that. Everyone not Putin was avoiding WW3 while incrementally supporting Ukraine. How much and when can now be argued, but at the time it was a tightrope.

icanhelp1 said:
Ya wonder why the outrage today? Because the west failed to stand in solidarity way back when, Putin saw the weakness and moved into Ukraine. Putin did not fear NATO. Biden's withdrawal from Afghanistan sent a message to Putin that we didn't have the intestinal fortitude for another conflict.
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Nonsense

ChloeTzang said:
Trump is about to get the USA cut out from......
  • the rare earth deal with ukraine
  • trade with europe
  • nato
  • european bases
  • rebuilding in ukraine contracts
  • middle east arms sales
  • asian arms sales
  • aussie arms sales
  • future F35 sales
  • 800+ billion in future arms sales to the EU

thats well over 1 million jobs...

All to save about 10 billion in scrap metal we have sitting in the desert and pull Putin's bacon out of the fire...

but winning. Thats some real 4D chess moves right there..
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The art of the deal and a master negotiator
 
47's behavior is disgusting and dishonorable.

Russia invaded Ukraine.
Putin is a dictator.
Russia is our adversary.

Ukraine is defending its people from an invading force.
Zelensky is the democratically elected President.
Ukraine is our ally.
 
Rightguide said:
He isn't taking Putin's side you idiot, He's hammering out a deal to stop a continuing slaughter that you seem to be entirely invested in.
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trump couldn’t care less about any slaughter. He is so unerringly a transactional shark he smells blood in the Ukrainian water and pushed for an exceedingly unfair proposal giving Zelensky an hour to sign. Then he holds peace negotiations without including Ukraine, like authoritarian strongmen divvying up the spoils.
 
Rightguide said:
The Ukrainian people haven't spoken on the subject. Zelensky hasn't allowed an election since his term expired on May 20, 2024. He is a dictator at this point with poor poll numbers.
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No, that’s trump lies. Zelensky’s numbers are fine and by Ukrainian law elections can’t be held during wartime. Trump is selling lies as usual.
 
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