Walker wants Wisconsin to be first state to stop dictating how much time kids should

[BotanyBoy]

What on Earth are you talking about? There is no such indoctrination --

LMFAO!!! Get the fuck outta here.....

certainly I never experienced any

and nobody makes big bucks out of public schools but textbook publishers, construction companies, etc.,

And the admin....you don't drive new M's and AMG's every other year on an average income.

Because it wasn't good for the children.

By what measure? According to who?

The people selling them 120k dollar lesbian dance theory degrees?? Yea...

Even sitting at a desk all day bored off your ass and learning nothing is better for a child than toiling in a factory or on a farm.

By what measure? What fucking worthless adults they make?

 

[BotanyBoy]

Says the guy suckling uncle sam's teat.

How do you figure?

And even if I were, what's that got to do with anything that I said?

Sit down, put the rasta helmet on before you hurt yourself.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

What on Earth are you talking about? There is no such indoctrination -- certainly I never experienced any (by any reasonable definition, that is, which means not by yours) -- and nobody makes big bucks out of public schools but textbook publishers, construction companies, etc., who would make just as much if they were all private schools, because a school needs what a school needs.



Because it wasn't good for the children. Even sitting at a desk all day bored off your ass and learning nothing is better for a child than toiling in a factory or on a farm or down a mine.

I agree with you about the indoctrination thing, but you're wrong about the money. There's billions to be made for private companies who want to run education mills.

A private company will get a charter and with no minimum on how long a kid needs to be in front of an actual teacher that private company will pay an adult as close to minimum wage as possible to babysit the kids while they stick hundreds or thousands of kids in an online course.

 

[KingOrfeo]

And the admin....you don't drive new M's and AMG's every other year on an average income.

Nobody goes into school administration, no more than anybody goes into teaching, for the money.

By what measure? According to who?

According to just about everybody who studied the problem in the 20th Century.

By what measure? What fucking worthless adults they make?

No, by what undamaged adults they make.

I recall a story about a do-gooder who hosted some factory-worker boys. She took them outside and invited them to play. They had no idea what the word or the concept meant. They had never played since going into the factory, they had only worked.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

Self determination KO.....that thing you hate so fucking much called freedom.

I know it horrifies you and many others like you to let people run their own shit but it will be ok, the fabric of space and time will not come undone.

How is the choice to run your shit how you see fit, more freedom of choice, not increasing freedom?

This is as backwards as your claim that total government control over how you make your money, forcing you into it and then taking 70+ % of it from you after you make it = freedom.

Jesus fucking Christ KO were you raised in a Soviet brain washing camp or some shit?? Did Che and Castro personally oversee your childhood or something??

No, that's your assumptions.

Freedom = control by the individual.

The closer the control is to the individual the more free they are.

A community choice is more free than a state choice which is more free than a federal one.




I don't care or see how that's relevant.

No, that's what the left turned institutions of learning into.



And look how well that turned out....

1/2 the fuckin' morons out there need to hit 2 years of vocational training after elementary school and GTFO with an apprenticeship for HS.

Contrary to popular (D) opinion not everyone needs a 120k Russian lesbian poetry degree....they really aren't all that valuable.

Shouldn't the individual be able to choose if they want a 120K Russian Lesbian Poetry Degree or not?

 

[KingOrfeo]

I agree with you about the indoctrination thing, but you're wrong about the money. There's billions to be made for private companies who want to run education mills.

I was talking about the moneymaking opportunities in public education, and despite what Bot seems to think, there aren't many.

 

[BotanyBoy]

No, by what undamaged adults they make.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Shouldn't the individual be able to choose if they want a 120K Russian Lesbian Poetry Degree or not?

Sure.

Just as long as the taxpayer isn't footing the bill IDGAF how badly idiots want to ruin their lives.

 

[KingOrfeo]

See? Whatever else you might say about them, they're undamaged. They have imaginations. They know what it is to play.

 

[KingOrfeo]

LMFAO!!! Get the fuck outta here.....

I repeat:

What on Earth are you talking about? There is no such indoctrination -- certainly I never experienced any (by any reasonable definition, that is, which means not by yours)

Whatever leftist tendencies I have, I did not acquire them from public schoolteachers.

 

[Ishmael]

One of my boys was in jeopardy of losing an entire semester of credits due to some procedural bullshit that the schools engage in. I found out that the Univ. of Fl. offered the courses as correspondence courses for $75/course/semester and that the Fl. high schools were required to put those courses on the official transcript.

I ordered the courses and the kid did them. The courses were actually pretty comprehensive. There was some material that I expected to be there that wasn't, but there was also some material that I didn't expect so I suppose it all balanced out in the end.

Anyway, the kid blew through the material. All of the courses completed in 4 1/2 to 5 weeks including snail mail delays. So I was thinking, "Christ, 40 weeks and he'd have completed ALL of the core High School course requirements! The other 3 years are just wasted time."

I don't know if all, or any other for that matter, states offer that option. And obviously time required would vary from child to child. But the fact remains that a great deal of the school year is wasted, and boring. But the Feds pay the state on daily attendance and require X number of classroom days. So it's all money driven and has little to do with how much or little the child learns or at what rate they learn.

Ishmael

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

One of my boys was in jeopardy of losing an entire semester of credits due to some procedural bullshit that the schools engage in. I found out that the Univ. of Fl. offered the courses as correspondence courses for $75/course/semester and that the Fl. high schools were required to put those courses on the official transcript.

I ordered the courses and the kid did them. The courses were actually pretty comprehensive. There was some material that I expected to be there that wasn't, but there was also some material that I didn't expect so I suppose it all balanced out in the end.

Anyway, the kid blew through the material. All of the courses completed in 4 1/2 to 5 weeks including snail mail delays. So I was thinking, "Christ, 40 weeks and he'd have completed ALL of the core High School course requirements! The other 3 years are just wasted time."

I don't know if all, or any other for that matter, states offer that option. And obviously time required would vary from child to child. But the fact remains that a great deal of the school year is wasted, and boring. But the Feds pay the state on daily attendance and require X number of classroom days. So it's all money driven and has little to do with how much or little the child learns or at what rate they learn.

Ishmael

Which is why I was constantly in trouble...

 

[AnAmericanDarling]

This is incredible. Like U.S. students need even LESS education. Teachers today are babysitters, not educators. Some are saying they're not being paid enough. They're being paid appropriately for the amount of work that they do...any way, back to the subject.

Scott Walker is an idiot. He's an idiot because he's trying to get an idea out there that will make the next generation even stupider. Someone I knew once (who now is in his late forties) could not find Montana on a map. Now that's the U.S. education system for you.

 

[KingOrfeo]

Someone I knew once (who now is in his late forties) could not find Montana on a map.

That's because it doesn't really exist. The USG just pretends it does and puts down off-the-books CIA funding as "to Montana." Don't tell anybody.

 

[BotanyBoy]

See? Whatever else you might say about them, they're undamaged. They have imaginations. They know what it is to play.

Except they can't feed themselves....it's a miracle they can wipe their own ass, which they probably got a trophy for too.

Those mother fuckers need a Drill Sawn't in their lives.

 

[KingOrfeo]

Except they can't feed themselves....it's a miracle they can wipe their own ass, which they probably got a trophy for too.

Those mother fuckers need a Drill Sawn't in their lives.

They are far better than they would be if they had spent their childhood in factories instead of schools. No one who has studied the problem believes child labor is good for children.

 

[BotanyBoy]

They are far better than they would be if they had spent their childhood in factories instead of schools. No one who has studied the problem believes child labor is good for children.

Not child slavery no. That's not good for kids.

But having a fuckin' job, especially under modern labor laws, is hardly a destructive thing.

Especially as teens.

Mother fuckers need guidance, life skills, work ethics....contrary to socialist and justice warrior beliefs these things while they might be as unpleasant as kale juice are not BAD for you. Not everyone is an academic and our failure to even recognize that is a huge deficiency in our education system.

 

[KingOrfeo]

Not child slavery no. That's not good for kids.

But having a fuckin' job, especially under modern labor laws, is hardly a destructive thing.

Especially as teens.

Well, a lot of them get jobs as teens, but there's no reason why they shouldn't go to school too. Most of them do learn something, even those who essentially sleep their way through the system, and probably more than they would from homeschooling. Homeschooling is great if you have a parent qualified to teach, but most never will be no matter how many homeschooling guides and lesson plans they buy.

 

[rocket_surgery]

It's not like districts are going to suddenly cut the school day down to a 15 minute recess.
Let them be in charge of it. Probably for the best.

 

[KingOrfeo]

It's not like districts are going to suddenly cut the school day down to a 15 minute recess.
Let them be in charge of it. Probably for the best.

Oh, most of them will probably keep the same hours. It won't do any harm. But I still don't see the point, or what Walker was thinking.

 

[rocket_surgery]

Oh, most of them will probably keep the same hours. It won't do any harm. But I still don't see the point, or what Walker was thinking.

Disctricts know what they need more than the state. Like Iowa knows what they need more than DC does. Blanket rules aren't always bad but they aren't always good either.
Say you had 10 snow days and the state says you have to make those up but the district says no, we were ahead of schedule anyway and the kids didn't miss anything so why spend the extra cash and bother everyone for something we dont' need.

 

[KingOrfeo]

Disctricts know what they need more than the state. Like Iowa knows what they need more than DC does. Blanket rules aren't always bad but they aren't always good either.

OTOH, the optimal number of hours students should spend in class, whatever it is and however it is calculated, is probably the same everywhere. Certainly it wouldn't vary from county to county.

 

[rocket_surgery]

OTOH, the optimal number of hours students should spend in class, whatever it is and however it is calculated, is probably the same everywhere. Certainly it wouldn't vary from county to county.

Why not? Not talking about weeks, just days or hours. Lots of reasons why one would need more or less than another.

 

[KingOrfeo]

Why not? Not talking about weeks, just days or hours. Lots of reasons why one would need more or less than another.

The optimal number might vary among individual students, but I don't see how it could vary among regions, and you know every one of these county school boards is going to set a uniform number.

 

[rocket_surgery]

The optimal number might vary among individual students, but I don't see how it could vary among regions, and you know every one of these county school boards is going to set a uniform number.

The disctrict setting their own numbers is the point. Of course they will.
Why wouldn't it vary from region to region? Do the kids in NYC have the same needs as the kids in the western part of the state? One group might be much better off with more or fewer days in school.