Walker wants Wisconsin to be first state to stop dictating how much time kids should

[FakeNews]

If Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker (R) has his way, the Badger State will become the first to stop requiring students in public schools to spend a minimum number of hours in class.

A proposal in Walker’s new budget plan calls for ending the state’s current minimum requirements — 437 hours for kindergarten, 1,050 hours for elementary schools and 1,137 hours for secondary schools — and allowing school districts to do what they want in terms of seat hours for students.

Districts and schools would then be judged on their state report cards, which are produced annually by the Department of Public Instruction, based largely on standardized test scores. During a recent visit to a school in Waukesha to talk up his budget proposal, he said: “To me, the report card is the ultimate measure. It’s not how many hours you are sitting in a chair.”

The reaction? WISN reported: “A spokesperson with the state Department of Public Instruction said the agency has no official position on the governor’s plan but said that overall students need more access to learning, not less.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...s-should-go-to-school/?utm_term=.41ec73871aad

 

[Rightguide]

Let's just hope that when he's done the school day doesn't end up being a 7 hour teacher break.

 

[Ishmael]

The reaction? WISN reported: “A spokesperson with the state Department of Public Instruction said the agency has no official position on the governor’s plan but said that overall students need more access to learning, not less.”

Learning what?

Ishmael

 

[KingOrfeo]

Learning what?

Ishmael

Oh, you know, the basics -- reading, writing, 'rithmetic, revolution, sexual deviancy, how to denounce your parents to the secret police . . .

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

I guess he wants to prepare them for college.




I rarely showed up to class...

 

[BoyNextDoor]

Good plan. Soon we can "offshore" to Oshkosh instead of the Philippines or India. Now if he will just lower the minimum wage and stop providing healthcare and food stamps we'll really be cooking with gas.

 

[KingOrfeo]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...s-should-go-to-school/?utm_term=.41ec73871aad

What exactly is supposed to be the point of this plan?

 

[BotanyBoy]

What exactly is supposed to be the point of this plan?

Self determination KO.....that thing you hate so fucking much called freedom.

I know it horrifies you and many others like you to let people run their own shit but it will be ok, the fabric of space and time will not come undone.

 

[KingOrfeo]

Self determination KO.....that thing you hate so fucking much called freedom.

Taking the time-in-class decision away from the state and assigning it to the school districts doesn't do much for freedom.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Taking the time-in-class decision away from the state and assigning it to the school districts doesn't do much for freedom.

How is the choice to run your shit how you see fit, more freedom of choice, not increasing freedom?

This is as backwards as your claim that total government control over how you make your money, forcing you into it and then taking 70+ % of it from you after you make it = freedom.

Jesus fucking Christ KO were you raised in a Soviet brain washing camp or some shit?? Did Che and Castro personally oversee your childhood or something??

 

[KingOrfeo]

How is the choice to run your shit how you see fit, more freedom of choice, not increasing freedom?

Because generally by "freedom" we mean -- at least, you usually seem to mean -- the freedom of the individual or family from control by the whole state, not the freedom of one unit of government from control by a higher one. There is nothing in libertarian principles that is relevant to the question of whether government should be centralized or decentralized.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Because generally by "freedom" we mean -- at least, you usually seem to mean -- the freedom of the individual or family from control by the whole state, not the freedom of one unit of government from control by a higher one.

No, that's your assumptions.

Freedom = control by the individual.

The closer the control is to the individual the more free they are.

A community choice is more free than a state choice which is more free than a federal one.

There is nothing in libertarian principles that is relevant to the question of whether government should be centralized or decentralized.

I don't care or see how that's relevant.

 

[KingOrfeo]

No, that's your assumptions.

Freedom = control by the individual.

The closer the control is to the individual the more free they are.

A community choice is more free than a state choice which is more free than a federal one.

That is nonsense. If the state wants to racially segregate you and the federal government doesn't want to let it, then your freedom rests with the latter. If your state legalizes marijuana and the federal government decides to keep it illegal and beef up enforcement, then your freedom rests with the former. It's a case-by-case thing, and does not categorically depend on at what level the decisions are being made.

I don't care or see how that's relevant.

It is relevant because you are arguing from a libertarian position.

 

[Parminderjeet]

Self determination KO.....that thing you hate so fucking much called freedom.

I know it horrifies you and many others like you to let people run their own shit but it will be ok, the fabric of space and time will not come undone.

It will for all the working parents when their kids are done school at noon.

 

[BotanyBoy]

That is nonsense.

Only to a freedom hating socialist like yourself.

It's a case-by-case thing, and does not categorically depend on at what level the decisions are being made.

I don't see freedom that way. Self determination is freedom.

The further away from the self determination, the less free.

D.C. is further away than the county board.

It is relevant because you are arguing from a libertarian position.

No, I'm not.

It will for all the working parents when their kids are done school at noon.

It's a school not a daycare.

If they want to keep it a daycare the people should vote to do so at their local level like they are free to do.

If not then they can GTFO and move to somewhere with a public babysitting service.

 

[KingOrfeo]

I don't see freedom that way. Self determination is freedom.

The further away from the self determination, the less free.

D.C. is further away than the county board.

But your self-determination is no nearer to the county board than to D.C. Either might limit your self-determination -- what difference does it make which?

 

[BoyNextDoor]

What exactly is supposed to be the point of this plan?

Reduction in the required "seat time" is one of the policy changes asked for by the Charter School advocates. It lets them reduce teacher pay and let's them more towards more online models.

 

[KingOrfeo]

It's a school not a daycare.

That is an incidental function of a public school.

The mean reason schooling was made compulsory nationwide was as an indirect way to enforce the child labor laws; if the kids are in school, they're not in a factory.

 

[BotanyBoy]

But your self-determination is no nearer to the county board than to D.C.

Of course it is.

I know my community, I'm a part of it, I know my supervisors, sheriff and judges.

More importantly they know me, I don't get birthday and Christmas cards from Pelosi and Feinstein.....

To say my self determination is no nearer to the country board than D.C. is absolute and demonstrable bullshit.

Either might limit your self-determination -- what difference does it make which?

I have a say so in my community on community issues, I'm one of just a few thousand voters and an even smaller minority of business owning/job creating voters.

When I and others in that minority group get up and talk to our county board of supervisors, the mother fuckers listen because they know who the fuck pays their salary and funds their campaigns.

I have a SIGNIFICANTLY smaller say so, practically ZERO, in stat much less national issues.

Maybe if I expand enough in about 10 years I'll have the ear of a committee or two in Sacramento but that's a long fuckin' way from D.C. as well.

 

[KingOrfeo]

I have a say so in my community on community issues . . .

Tell it to the blacks of Ferguson, whose police admittedly used them as "walking ATMs."

 

[BotanyBoy]

That is an incidental function of a public school.

No, that's what the left turned institutions of learning into.

The mean reason schooling was made compulsory nationwide was as an indirect way to enforce the child labor laws; if the kids are in school, they're not in a factory.

And look how well that turned out....

1/2 the fuckin' morons out there need to hit 2 years of vocational training after elementary school and GTFO with an apprenticeship for HS.

Contrary to popular (D) opinion not everyone needs a 120k Russian lesbian poetry degree....they really aren't all that valuable.

 

[KingOrfeo]

No, that's what the left turned institutions of learning into.

Schools functioning as daycare centers does not itself serve any particular element of a leftist agenda, but it is something parents value highly.

And look how well that turned out....

It turned out well. Child labor beyond the level of household and lawn chores is now largely a thing of the past, as it should be.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Schools functioning as daycare centers does not itself serve any particular element of a leftist agenda,

Other than the state program sucking up mega bucks to fill elite pockets and indoctrinate more kids with their Marxist bullshit.

Seriously, you lying to me or yourself here?

but it is something parents value highly.

Some. Apparently not the ones in Wisconsin so much and a few others too.

It turned out well.

Yea, generation spoiled shit and their spawn the cupcake brigade are really something to be proud of!

Child labor beyond the level of household and lawn chores is now largely a thing of the past, as it should be.

Why should it be?

Why is learning how to multiple choice test for the state so they can get more babysitter funding much better than learning a skill set that will make the child not only a productive member of society but give them an ability to provide for themselves instead of relying on the nanny state for hand outs?

 

[KingOrfeo]

Other than the state program sucking up mega bucks to fill elite pockets and indoctrinate more kids with their Marxist bullshit.

Seriously, you lying to me or yourself here?

What on Earth are you talking about? There is no such indoctrination -- certainly I never experienced any (by any reasonable definition, that is, which means not by yours) -- and nobody makes big bucks out of public schools but textbook publishers, construction companies, etc., who would make just as much if they were all private schools, because a school needs what a school needs.

Why should it be?

Because it wasn't good for the children. Even sitting at a desk all day bored off your ass and learning nothing is better for a child than toiling in a factory or on a farm or down a mine.

 

[Parminderjeet]

Only to a freedom hating socialist like yourself.




I don't see freedom that way. Self determination is freedom.

The further away from the self determination, the less free.

D.C. is further away than the county board.



No, I'm not.



It's a school not a daycare.

If they want to keep it a daycare the people should vote to do so at their local level like they are free to do.

If not then they can GTFO and move to somewhere with a public babysitting service.

Says the guy suckling uncle sam's teat.