Non-consensual sex, does it apply to non-human?

[MarkoAaron]

I'm still new here, so forgive me if my question is a tired topic.

I'm a new erotica writer and my main interest is non-humans, having sex with humans.
Naturally, there's a huge plethora of monsters, mythical beasts and made up creations.
My current idea is about a group of non-humans crossing paths with some young college girls, the story is a bit suspenseful, but non-violent.

I know the concept of forced sex is quite frankly, taboo or frowned upon by some, but how else can a story about beast-like men with no ability to communicate, take hold?

Stories like that are actually my favorite, not all erotica readers are into romance, kink and love.
Everybody has their own type of pleasures, even if they are guilty ones.

My idea really intrigues me and I'm gonna write it just for the fun, but I'm not sure if it would be OK with Lit's guidelines.

Does anyone have any input?

 

[Hypoxia]

I'm still new here, so forgive me if my question is a tired topic.

I don't recall seeing nonhuman noncon before. Congrats!

I know the concept of forced sex is quite frankly, taboo or frowned upon by some, but how else can a story about beast-like men with no ability to communicate, take hold?

Read the sticky atop the Story Ideas forum giving LIT's position on non-con. Basically, the victim must derive pleasure from the forced sex. A few weasel words should achieve that.

Everybody has their own type of pleasures, even if they are guilty ones.

Yup, many different kinks. You can't write for everyone.

My idea really intrigues me and I'm gonna write it just for the fun, but I'm not sure if it would be OK with Lit's guidelines.

'Fun' is a good reason. Write what pleases you. BTW are these aliens humanoid?

 

[lovecraft68]

No rules seem to apply to non human the category is a built in end around for under age, snuff, rape and bestiality. Nothing apparently is ever enforced there.

The excuse of 'this creature isn't real' allows it free reign to do whatever it wants so you can create a werewolf who rapes under age children, kills them during sex and rapes the family dog and its all 'not real'

Ignoring the fact no story here is real of course.

 

[MarkoAaron]

'Fun' is a good reason. Write what pleases you. BTW are these aliens humanoid?[/QUOTE]

They're not aliens, they're bigfeet, bigfoots (not sure what the plural term is) I have one story pending, about a guy who goes to his family's cabin and encounters a female bigfoot.

I'm an erotica fan and I've always had an infatuation with bigfoot, ergo, combine the two and turn it into something that I greatly enjoy.

I've read a few stories about bigfoot here on Lit and other places, but they're in short supply.
I decided I would try writing stories, that I wanted to read, and maybe intrigue other people.

 

[Hypoxia]

'Fun' is a good reason. Write what pleases you. BTW are these aliens humanoid?

They're not aliens, they're bigfeet, bigfoots (not sure what the plural term is) I have one story pending, about a guy who goes to his family's cabin and encounters a female bigfoot.

I'm an erotica fan and I've always had an infatuation with bigfoot, ergo, combine the two and turn it into something that I greatly enjoy.

I've read a few stories about bigfoot here on Lit and other places, but they're in short supply.
I decided I would try writing stories, that I wanted to read, and maybe intrigue other people.

See the classic R. Crumb comic WHITEMAN MEETS BIGFOOT from Home Grown Funnies #1 (1971). As for the critters, they're Bigfoots, Sasquatches, Yetis, Skunk Ape, Yerens, Yowies, Mande Barungs, Orang Pendeks, or Barmanous, depending on time/place.

My A Taste of Incest - Lemonade sets up extended humanoid sex. Cryptozoologist Dad has hunted unknown animals for years. He shows new sexual skills on his rare returns home. From that, I can have Dad encounter horny females of various Yeti-like species in his explorations. They all fuck him, of course. Maybe he'll find unicorns, too. [/me tries to suppress that idea]

 

[Sean Renaud]

No rules seem to apply to non human the category is a built in end around for under age, snuff, rape and bestiality. Nothing apparently is ever enforced there.

The excuse of 'this creature isn't real' allows it free reign to do whatever it wants so you can create a werewolf who rapes under age children, kills them during sex and rapes the family dog and its all 'not real'

Ignoring the fact no story here is real of course.

Any examples?

I know it doesn't work entirely on the monsters but that's largely due to logical differences in biology. The Terminator was unlikely to be 18 years old cus it's a robot and shit advances rapidly. Various other fantasy races have similar issues in various directions. Elves age slower than humans so a 90 year old may be emotionaly 12. It's generlaly best not to ask questions and also to claim 18.

I like these stories TBH.

 

[Savage_Henry]

I have one story pending, about a guy who goes to his family's cabin and encounters a female bigfoot.

Sounds like how my brother met his wife.

 

[Asbel]

No one can deny how animals can communicate with their eyes. Right now I'm imagining how one of these beast-men might share a very poignant stare with a college girl, and their intentions on both sides become quite clear. The question is, how do the girls react? Are they terrified? Do they secretly enjoy it? Are they all for it?

 

[MarkoAaron]

I'm a big fan of Robert Crumb. White man meets Illo was a great series.
I won't lie, that alone was my inspiration. Seeing how sexy a female bigfoot could be.

Unfortunately, I couldn't find many erotica stories with bigfoot, the ones I did find, only 1 out of 5 were good. Of course, that changed when I found literotica and read 3 great stories. .

https://www.literotica.com/s/something-in-the-woods
https://www.literotica.com/s/monsters-in-the-mountains and part 2.

Amazon is where I read them mostly, really sucked to pay $2.99 for a ten minute story with one sex scenario. I decided I should my hand at writing stories, the kind of stories I wanted to read.

My first story has been pending for 3 days, not sure when it'll get published.

 

[MarkoAaron]

No one can deny how animals can communicate with their eyes. Right now I'm imagining how one of these beast-men might share a very poignant stare with a college girl, and their intentions on both sides become quite clear. The question is, how do the girls react? Are they terrified? Do they secretly enjoy it? Are they all for it?

I completely agree with you on that. Their eyes and mannerisms can be suggestive, but the whole aspect of my idea is the suspense, 2 girls cut off from help and stranded with these man-beasts.

The story would be told from one girl's perspective, seeing what happens to her friend and then herself. I can't sugarcoat it, it's pretty much forced sex. The girls get the fucking of their lives, but in the end. Enjoyment and satisfaction is there.

I've read stories where the monster had a tender soul and his eyes spoke his emotion. I'm not about that, I wanna go with the nature of the beast.

I'm gonna take a few days to get the story planned out and probably start writing it within a few days. I suppose I'll submit it and see what happens.

 

[submit4pleasure]

I can't wait to read your story. I really enjoy stories about forced non-con nonhuman sex, werewolves especially, but yetis sound sexy, too.

Maybe they could communicate through touch? The girls realize that even though they're being forced, they're not being excessively hurt. Just really rough handling because they're different species.

 

[MarkoAaron]

I can't wait to read your story. I really enjoy stories about forced non-con nonhuman sex, werewolves especially, but yetis sound sexy, too.

Maybe they could communicate through touch? The girls realize that even though they're being forced, they're not being excessively hurt. Just really rough handling because they're different species.

Thank you! Like I said, it's non-violent, no throat choking or head pressed to the ground. The girls eventually understand what is wanted of them and they decide to cooperate, fearing for their safety.

The suspenseful parts are like...

'The girl runs, trying to escape, but is chased down and captured. The beast throws her over his shoulder. She beats her fists on his massive back, screaming in protest. Her cries are ignored and she is taken back to the campsite. The beast drops her on the ground and she frantically crawls away from her captor, she looks up and is horrified by what she sees. Her friend is on all fours, a beast has mounted her from behind and is fucking her hard, another has his cock rammed down her throat and is bobbing her head, vigorously!"

That should give you the gist of it.

 

[submit4pleasure]

Thank you! Like I said, it's non-violent, no throat choking or head pressed to the ground. The girls eventually understand what is wanted of them and they decide to cooperate, fearing for their safety.

The suspenseful parts are like...

'The girl runs, trying to escape, but is chased down and captured. The beast throws her over his shoulder. She beats her fists on his massive back, screaming in protest. Her cries are ignored and she is taken back to the campsite. The beast drops her on the ground and she frantically crawls away from her captor, she looks up and is horrified by what she sees. Her friend is on all fours, a beast has mounted her from behind and is fucking her hard, another has his cock rammed down her throat and is bobbing her head, vigorously!"

That should give you the gist of it.

I like the way this is headed....

 

[MarkoAaron]

I like the way this is headed....

That's the element I'm talking about. There's more suspense that builds up before that.

I wish I didn't have to work for the next few days, I wanna get started on it now lol

Thank you for the encouragement!

 

[submit4pleasure]

You're welcome. I really like your ideas, can't wait to see how your story turns out.

 

[lovecraft68]

Any examples?

I know it doesn't work entirely on the monsters but that's largely due to logical differences in biology. The Terminator was unlikely to be 18 years old cus it's a robot and shit advances rapidly. Various other fantasy races have similar issues in various directions. Elves age slower than humans so a 90 year old may be emotionaly 12. It's generlaly best not to ask questions and also to claim 18.

I like these stories TBH.

There's a slew of vampire stories where the victim is drained of blood and killed during sexual intercourse. If that was American Psycho and the guy slittinga girls throat as he fucks her that's snuff. Somehow it isn't when its a 'vampire'

Bestiality? Pick one. I don't care if there is a horn on the horses head, the girl is sucking horse cock. The business end of a male or female Centaur s that of a horse, but hey, they have a human's arms so its okay?

NH is the lamest excuse I've seen for people who like animal sex to say no, they don't. If its furry and its fucking and you're stroking you're into bestiality. I'm not condemning the kink or saying it means you'd rape my dog, but the point is the denial is hilarious.

Then there's things like Dryads(ever read the Belgarion, a fantasy series, David Eddings?") in many myth cycles Dryads are very child like looking females. Now technically they stay that way and can be a hundred years old but be in the barely developed body of a twelve year old girl...underage? Of course it is, but no, not here!

There was a story here a couple years back in EH-NH's kissing cousin as in made up beings- and it featured a fifteen year old girl who I believe was having sex with ghosts. The story had ten comments, eight of them complaining of under age and three saying they reported it.

It stayed on this site for two years and then someone linked it in a thread and I reported it. Nothing.

I started a thread "Does NH and EH mean we don't have to write by the rules. Suddenly the story was removed.

That's how it rolls here, shaming the site for stories where an 11 year old is raped in detail, yet somehow remained here, until a thread is started.

The rules here are only rules when the site can be made to look bad and I think every rule here is wink wink, bend them as you will but if you get reported I'll pretend "how did that get here' and erase it.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Fair enough. I agree that the unicorn bs shouldn't stand but it's specifically written into the description. That tells me that Laurel doesn't personally give a shit about writing stories with people and dogs there is just some technicallity that she'd rather not deal with and this works.

As for dryads looking like children that's kind of a greyish area to me for two reasons. First at least in most of the art I've seen they are less "childlike" and more the just wrong amount of short. If Tinkerbelle was three to five feet tall we'd think of her as a child and not a "woman" and more to the point lots of adult women simply never grow up or certainly take an extended period of time. I'm not saying I wouldn't wreck her but Miley Cyrus looks like a twelve year old. Pornstars like Kat and Lexi Belle essentially built their entire careers on the fact that they will look sixteen until they hit thirty five (and if they aren't lucky they'll look forty five the day that happens.) but my point remains that looking like a child and being a child are clearly different things.

Personally I'm glad Laurel doesn't hover over that rule too much simply because in fantasy it gets annoying. Fantasy races are simply not human with most of them outliving humans by decades or centuries. Hell I think Tolkiens elves are functionally immortal. And it seems implied that orcs live shorter lives and breed faster which is how they got their numbers back up. Essentially like dogs.

I've never managed to get a vampire death through though and lord knows I've tried a few times in various ways. That was what I was actually asking but hey just because I didn't pull it off doesn't mean it can't be.

 

[Hypoxia]

... my point remains that looking like a child and being a child are clearly different things.

Laurel told me that *appearing* childlike is inadmissible. An old classic mainstream SF story was about a girl rendered ageless when hit by mystic lightning when she was 11 or so, a couple thousand years ago. Since then she's mostly made her living as a child whore. Laurel said she would not approve such a story.

Something I've neither looked for nor tried: an aged mage of any gender uses magic to appear young. How young? If a millennial wizard looks prepubescent, are they admissible on LIT? I would think not -- but I could be wrong.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Generally the rule seems to be that you must look and be 18. Just when it came up I suddenly remembered Gary Coleman and my brain simply needed to know.

 

[PervOtaku]

No worries on monster rapes, I've seen plenty and written a few.

No rules seem to apply to non human the category is a built in end around for under age, snuff, rape and bestiality. Nothing apparently is ever enforced there.

The excuse of 'this creature isn't real' allows it free reign to do whatever it wants so you can create a werewolf who rapes under age children, kills them during sex and rapes the family dog and its all 'not real'

Ignoring the fact no story here is real of course.

I think that really only applies as far as bestiality is concerned, i.e. you can fuck a mythical creature but not something you'd find on a farm.

I'm guessing that the usual rule about rape would still extend to a non-human rapist, because the point is to not portray injuring or traumatizing a woman as erotic.

Bestiality? Pick one. I don't care if there is a horn on the horses head, the girl is sucking horse cock. The business end of a male or female Centaur s that of a horse, but hey, they have a human's arms so its okay?

NH is the lamest excuse I've seen for people who like animal sex to say no, they don't. If its furry and its fucking and you're stroking you're into bestiality. I'm not condemning the kink or saying it means you'd rape my dog, but the point is the denial is hilarious.

Centaurs are a wonderful gray area, aren't they.

It kind of depends on the basis for disallowing a bestiality story. Some say that a lady fucking her dog is wrong because the dog can't consent to it. (Though honestly I don't think you could really get a dog that size to do something he doesn't want to do...) By that logic, a centaur should be fine since it's a rational, sentient being, but you shouldn't be able to have a character fuck their pet griffin. How about a sentient, talking dog? Probably still too close for comfort. Personally I suspect the rule is more geared towards not allowing any imitable animal sex. Fucking a humanoid dog-esque person (a "furry" in the slang sense of the word) ought to be fine. A unicorn or pegasus might still be too close to a real horse to get away with it though.

Frankly any non-sentient beast that isn't explicitly a rape creature would, in my book, be too close to pet/livestock fucking to fly. If farmer Florx on the planet Bleem fucks one of his flock of Viptars, that's pretty much just changing the names from Farmer Bob and his sheep. If the Viptar chases down Florx's daughter and violates her against her will, though, now you are playing towards a different fetish.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Unicorns are explicitly in bounds. You or I may have a problem with it but thems the breaks. It just can't be a real animal. I'm heavily considering some of that paleorotica simply out of equal parts interest, boredom and to see what Laurel would do. I guaran-fucking-tee I've forgotten more about dinosaurs in teh last 365 days than most people on this board knew to begin with probably any random two or three combined. So will I have to genuinely make up a "dragon" or are dinosaurs in bounds.

That's actually an interesting question seeing how they are long extinct human/dino interaction is by it's very nature sci-fi/magic stuff already. Would a raptor be out of bounds but Indominus Rex in?

 

[submit4pleasure]

I think comparing fantasy creatures to real animals is like comparing apples and oranges. Like saying that my mermaid fantasies mean I want to fuck fish. Which I definitely don't ever want to do.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Fantasy creatures have different "tiers" as strange as that sounds. A mermaid is at least half human, is almost always portrayed as having human level intelligence and this is important. Cus Ariel is hot. The logistics are hairy but I get it. Wanting Ariel does not mean you want to fuck a fish.

Unicorns on the other hand are rarely portrayed as being abnormally intelligent (Insert MLP joke) they are just horses with horns. And Pegasus is just a horse with wings. If you want to fuck a unicorn you do in fact want to fuck a horse. We can quibble about talking horses a la Mr.Ed but that pegasus in Clash of the Titans (original or remake makes no difference. . .well ones black and ones white. . . nvm.) is a flying horse.

In many cases the differences aren't even that great. While it depends on the writer to some degree Wargs are generally portrayed as simply giant wolves. (Though the Lord of the Rings movies decided to go with hyenas and maybe the books did, it's been a while and I don't recall THAT detail.)

 

[Hypoxia]

A couple years ago I was reading downloaded steampunk lit with sexy vamps and werewolves (but not have sex with humans, mostly). Somehow that led me to LIT. But since here, I've not read of shapeshifters, unicorns, or sex with aliens or magical beasts. So, I'm not familiar with what's posted in NH.

My SF Bride of Kong does include fucking IQ-enhanced hybrid apes but even though they were speed-grown I made sure they were over 18. Would I write of sex with magic beasts? I'm tempted by a graphic spoof of a Tijuana dog-n-donkey show with Cerebus and unicorns. Throw in mermaids for the sex show at Marine World.

Again, I don't know what happens in NH. Can non-humans be non-pleasurably raped, but not humans? Must raped non-humans get off on it too? And why am I asking this? I have not desire to write it except as flash satire. Beware if you see me post TIJUANA TAXI. Mandy and Jill get the thrill of a lifetime...

 

[Sean Renaud]

The human doesn't seem to need to like it nearly as much (But that's always been a soft rule anyway but still) with NH.