Incest has become mainstream.

[NicoleZ]

Some of the views presented above are just too funny for words.

Republican supporters are dismissed by the progressive Democrats as being Bible Belters, Hillbillies and Rednecks. One of the most sustained criticisms of these groups are that they are inbred degenerates who fuck their mothers, brothers and sisters and if they marry out of the family, they do so by marrying their first cousin.

Okay. How does one reconcile this their strong condemnation of incest with the even stronger condemnation of the current administration for trying to limit these practices?

It's pure bigotry.

 

[NOIRTRASH]

The Hapsburgs, by all accounts not the brightest....

It doesn't take many generations of inter-breeding to significantly lower IQ. There's old mining towns in northern NSW that declined as thriving economies maybe 120 - 140 years ago, when the railway went elsewhere and the gold ran out. In the seventies, there were remnants of several families too poor to move from these regions, who stayed behind. They'd come into the town once a month to buy stores.

The downside of serial multi-generational incest was pretty easy to see. There are good reasons why you don't fuck your mama or your sister, regardless how many people try to pretend otherwise. Not much point home-schooling those folk, unfortunately.

Species reproduce however breeding increases your genes getting in the next generation. Or however mate selection increases your fitness. Our optimal mates are siblings and cousins. Do the math.

 

[NOIRTRASH]

I take it that you're referring to marriages between first, second and third cousins, none of which have ever been illegal.

And the results to which you refer were? Haemophilia? That can be passed down regardless of a blood relationship between the parents. What else?

TAX RAT is wrong.

Royals mate for political alliances.

 

[TxRad]

Species reproduce however breeding increases your genes getting in the next generation. Or however mate selection increases your fitness. Our optimal mates are siblings and cousins. Do the math.

What part of incest not increasing your fitness or brain power don't you get?

 

[SusanJillParker]

It's one thing to sexually and incestuously fantasize about having sex with your mother, father, sister, brother, aunt, uncle, cousin, grandfather, and/or grandmother while masturbating oneself but it's another thing to actually go through with it.

It's one thing to write and to read erotic and pornographic stories about incest but it's another thing to actually have incestuous sex, especially if it's not consensual, and especially with a minor.

I pity women when laws are removed from having incestuous sex and when laws are removed protecting them from being sexually assaulted, sexually abused, tortured, taken off the street, kidnapped, and raped.

When someone in power openly touts that it's okay to grab a woman's pussy, (How dare he?) I don't understand how in the Hell he was voted it office. Instead, he should have been arrested and flogged. A real man would have punched him in his nose. A real man would have beat the shit out of him. If it's okay for men to grab women's pussies, then it's okay for women to kick them in the balls.

"Best you back off, motherfucker. I warn you that if you dare grab my pussy, I'll be kicking you in the balls with my steel toe, high heel shoes."

Unless, of course, those men who voted for him would love to grab strange women's pussies, that could be. Perhaps, those women who voted for him not only would love to have strange men grab their pussies but also for them to be allowed to grab other women's pussies too, that could be. I don't know. It just makes me sick to think that our immoral and immodest society has suddenly returned to the dark ages.

We, especially women who can't always defend ourselves in the way that men can, all have the right to feel safe and be safe without being accosted in our own homes by family members and out on the street by strangers. Are we returning back to the 50's and 60's when it was okay to force inebriated women to have unwanted and unwelcomed sex during an office, Christmas party?

Think about if it was your wife, your mother, or your daughter being so violently attacked. How would you feel then about removing laws of incest and rape?

"Hey, it wasn't my fault. She was asking for it by wearing that short dress."

"Short dress? My God, the dress was past her knees," said the arresting officer. "Didn't it matter to you that the woman you sexually molested was a Catholic Nun?"

 

[MindsMirror]

Sex and marriage have less and less to do with procreation. There is no prohibition of 70+ year olds marrying, there is no prohibition of marriage for those known to be sterile or even people with genetic problems, which are the same arguments that were used against same sex marriage for years. With the advent of CRISPR, embryonic gene editing will remove many of the killer traits. Just as with same sex, bisexual and/or poly relationships; incest isn't for everyone. What interest does society have in keeping legal age consenting adults from loving and marrying who they want?
-MM

 

[lovecraft68]

It's one thing to sexually and incestuously fantasize about having sex with your mother, father, sister, brother, aunt, uncle, cousin, grandfather, and/or grandmother while masturbating oneself but it's another thing to actually go through with it.

It's one thing to write and to read erotic and pornographic stories about incest but it's another thing to actually have incestuous sex, especially if it's not consensual, and especially with a minor.

I pity women when laws are removed from having incestuous sex and when laws are removed protecting them from being sexually assaulted, sexually abused, tortured, taken off the street, kidnapped, and raped.

When someone in power openly touts that it's okay to grab a woman's pussy, (How dare he?) I don't understand how in the Hell he was voted it office. Instead, he should have been arrested and flogged. A real man would have punched him in his nose. A real man would have beat the shit out of him. If it's okay for men to grab women's pussies, then it's okay for women to kick them in the balls.

"Best you back off, motherfucker. I warn you that if you dare grab my pussy, I'll be kicking you in the balls with my steel toe, high heel shoes."

Unless, of course, those men who voted for him would love to grab strange women's pussies, that could be. Perhaps, those women who voted for him not only would love to have strange men grab their pussies but also for them to be allowed to grab other women's pussies too, that could be. I don't know. It just makes me sick to think that our immoral and immodest society has suddenly returned to the dark ages.

We, especially women who can't always defend ourselves in the way that men can, all have the right to feel safe and be safe without being accosted in our own homes by family members and out on the street by strangers. Are we returning back to the 50's and 60's when it was okay to force inebriated women to have unwanted and unwelcomed sex during an office, Christmas party?

Think about if it was your wife, your mother, or your daughter being so violently attacked. How would you feel then about removing laws of incest and rape?

"Hey, it wasn't my fault. She was asking for it by wearing that short dress."

"Short dress? My God, the dress was past her knees," said the arresting officer. "Didn't it matter to you that the woman you sexually molested was a Catholic Nun?"

Wait, there were laws in this country against rape? When? Just about every trial turns into she asked for it so what exactly is changing here?

Take self defense and buy a gun and learn how to use it. I've taught well over a hundred women over the years to flat out cripple an attacker. No one has to be helpless.

I wonder what the misogynist army will do when they realize there are actually a lot of good men out there who stick up for women and their rights? They going to fight us? Hardly.

Trump Bannon and Pence have brought the cowards back into the light and I can't wait to see them sent back under their rocks.

Lock and load and stand up for what you believe in ladies, you're not alone. I'm pushing fifty and have yet to meet a 'grab them by the pussy' type that can shut me up and there are plenty of men out there like me.

This is the war I was born and bred for.

BTW...I agree in incest as fantasy only, the real life incest is rarely the sexy thing portrayed in erotica or TV shows like the ones discussed here. Reality usually is rape and abuse.

 

[AMoveableBeast]

Correlating that popularity equates to acceptance is preposterous. Incest is salacious to the average person watching Taboo precisely because it's odd and different, foreign and bizarre, but with an element that is universally relatable.

This is the same thing that interests viewers in serial killers and drug stories.

I wonder if when Breaking Bad came out there was a post on a drug message board saying, "Meth has hit the mainstream! Legalization will inevitably follow! We're gonna get meth, motherfuckers! I'm so excited I just lost another tooth!"

 

[NOIRTRASH]

LIT is the place to be when you know shit about the world and how it works.

LIT is the soul of affirmative action for clueless assheads.

 

[SusanJillParker]

Correlating that popularity equates to acceptance is preposterous. Incest is salacious to the average person watching Taboo precisely because it's odd and different, foreign and bizarre, but with an element that is universally relatable.

This is the same thing that interests viewers in serial killers and drug stories.

I wonder if when Breaking Bad came out there was a post on a drug message board saying, "Meth has hit the mainstream! Legalization will inevitably follow! We're gonna get meth, motherfuckers! I'm so excited I just lost another tooth!"

Great post. I agree.

For the record, I loved Breaking Bad and I enjoy watching Taboo.

Only, I have had no desire to take Meth and/or to have sex with my relatives, although, I do have this one cousin that...

 

[NOIRTRASH]

Wait, there were laws in this country against rape? When? Just about every trial turns into she asked for it so what exactly is changing here?

Take self defense and buy a gun and learn how to use it. I've taught well over a hundred women over the years to flat out cripple an attacker. No one has to be helpless.

I wonder what the misogynist army will do when they realize there are actually a lot of good men out there who stick up for women and their rights? They going to fight us? Hardly.

Trump Bannon and Pence have brought the cowards back into the light and I can't wait to see them sent back under their rocks.

Lock and load and stand up for what you believe in ladies, you're not alone. I'm pushing fifty and have yet to meet a 'grab them by the pussy' type that can shut me up and there are plenty of men out there like me.

This is the war I was born and bred for.

BTW...I agree in incest as fantasy only, the real life incest is rarely the sexy thing portrayed in erotica or TV shows like the ones discussed here. Reality usually is rape and abuse.

List all the girl rights girls don't have.

 

[CyranoJ]

I wonder if when Breaking Bad came out there was a post on a drug message board saying, "Meth has hit the mainstream! Legalization will inevitably follow! We're gonna get meth, motherfuckers! I'm so excited I just lost another tooth!"

Not even once.

1,000 points to House MoveableBeast for that last. I'm lucky I wasn't drinking anything when I read this post.

 

[AMoveableBeast]

Not even once.

1,000 points to House MoveableBeast for that last. I'm lucky I wasn't drinking anything when I read this post.

I didn't know Flea from Red Hot Chili Peppers was a Breaking Bad fan.

Seriously...that guy....

 

[sr71plt]

I look at sex from a socio-biological view point.

Sex with your sibling is optimal if putting your genes into the next generation is the goal of reproduction. And it is. Sex with a parent is less. Sex with strangers is least of all but comes with incentives siblings cant offer.

I don't think much of anyone considering a incestuous relationship factor this into their decision in any way.

One reason I don't see the incest laws changing much for the foreseeable future is that they aren't enforced much. Most of the time they come up is in relationship to a crime that is being pursued more vigorously.

 

[sr71plt]

I take it that you're referring to marriages between first, second and third cousins, none of which have ever been illegal.

And the results to which you refer were? Haemophilia? That can be passed down regardless of a blood relationship between the parents. What else?

What is reported apart from hemophilia and cystic fibrosis:

Reduced fertility (both for the related parents and in their offspring)
Lower birth rate and higher infant mortality
Congenital birth defects (e.g., the Hapsburg Jaw)
Certain kinds of cancer
Suppressed immune systems
Smaller adult size (pedigree collapse)

 

[weftandwarp]

Sex and marriage have less and less to do with procreation. There is no prohibition of 70+ year olds marrying, there is no prohibition of marriage for those known to be sterile or even people with genetic problems, which are the same arguments that were used against same sex marriage for years. With the advent of CRISPR, embryonic gene editing will remove many of the killer traits. Just as with same sex, bisexual and/or poly relationships; incest isn't for everyone. What interest does society have in keeping legal age consenting adults from loving and marrying who they want?
-MM[/QUOTE

I would have thought people who have children through incest would be the ones who wouldn't access the technology.

Also, it would be relatively easy to test each new babe for incestuous origins, far more cheaply than using CRISPR. It is astonishing when one is confronted with a whole family of siblings who were the product of incest needing extensive life long care. It was once possible to deny the accusation but now incestuous origins are clearly demonstrable. It would be as easy as the tests for PKU and other conditions that are done now.

The problem with paternity testing, as I understand it, is that one in ten children call a man Dad, who believes he is Dad, but in biological reality isn't. This has been a constant for a long time (centuries). It would be nice if my source for this stat was wrong (a science program on the radio). It shocked me. An explanation was that it is nature's way of broadening the gene pool. I wondered why the word betrayal wasn't used.

 

[CyranoJ]

Apparently the one-in-ten statistic is wrong; it's actually closer to one in twenty-five. Which itself would have seemed surprisingly high to me at one time.

 

[Hypoxia]

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Whatever.

I cover the physical and social aspects in What Is Incest? Short biology course: Repeated multi-generational close-DNA swapping, especially with lots of recessive genes, ain't good. Cf the Spanish Hapsburgs, who first-cousin-fucked themselves into deformed senility. But occasional kin-fucking is no worse for birth outcomes than many environmental or age factors.

Sex and marriage have less and less to do with procreation. There is no prohibition of 70+ year olds marrying, there is no prohibition of marriage for those known to be sterile or even people with genetic problems, which are the same arguments that were used against same sex marriage for years. With the advent of CRISPR, embryonic gene editing will remove many of the killer traits. Just as with same sex, bisexual and/or poly relationships; incest isn't for everyone. What interest does society have in keeping legal age consenting adults from loving and marrying who they want?

It's the "consenting adults" thang that's tricky in incest, which IRL is mostly abuse and rape by Daddy or Big Bro. I put abuse by priest or teacher or other authority figure in the same class -- a child is misused.

Should consenting adults be allowed to live their own lives? Sure. Are social pressures whipped-up to vilify and punish non-conformists? Yup. Reality sucks.

 

[gamegamale]

As far as I'm concerned, as long as it's between consenting adults of legal age, we should be able to do whatever we want with our bodies.

Agreed. But, if only life were that simple. The stupidity of the few determines life for the rest of us.

 

[AMoveableBeast]

Apparently the one-in-ten statistic is wrong; it's actually closer to one in twenty-five. Which itself would have seemed surprisingly high to me at one time.

Other dissenting studies show the number as low as 1 in 100.

The truth has become terrifyingly mutable lately. Any fact can now be supported by a study or a "highly-ranking so-and-so" to progress or support any agenda.

And we are to use our own shrewdness to discern which is "good science." Your average person couldn't perform a scientifically valid test for whether the fridge light stays on when the door is closed.

No wonder we're fucked.

 

[weftandwarp]

I take it that you're referring to marriages between first, second and third cousins, none of which have ever been illegal.

And the results to which you refer were? Haemophilia? That can be passed down regardless of a blood relationship between the parents. What else?

I would have thought the social dynamics are as important with regard to the presumption of duress. The people arrested for it I've been aware of have been aggressively dominating people. I wonder what percentage of incestuous relationships aren't founded on abuse.

I have had pedigreed dogs and that was sad. One had heart problems, another had epilepsy and the third had hypothyroidism. Short lives. The dogs I've had with out pedigrees lived a lot longer and had no problems. I also know that on the farm a bull is kept for one season only because inbreeding is a very real problem. It isn't just people. There are many examples of the problems of inbreeding in the animal world. Bedlington terriers and bull dogs are particularly interesting. It's enormously sad.

 

[sr71plt]

Another example of how popular incest is.

Sorry, I continue to believe you live in a small fishbowl on this. I think that those with an interest in incest are a very small percentage of the population. For you, it's just because you live in that small fishbowl. The interest is high on Literotica because it's offering a small fishbowl for it. It's fine with me that the fishbowl exists, but I don't believe it's anywhere as large as you want to believe it is.

I find a good audience for some really specific sexual fetishes. I just don't kid myself into thinking it's more than that small percentage of people they represent just managing to find where it's being written. And as others point out, reading about it isn't anything like actually doing it.

 

[weftandwarp]

Apparently the one-in-ten statistic is wrong; it's actually closer to one in twenty-five. Which itself would have seemed surprisingly high to me at one time.

Thank you. I'm so pleased it isn't 1 in 10 and agree 1 in 25 still seems high.

 

[CyranoJ]

I wonder what percentage of incestuous relationships aren't founded on abuse.

The emotional power tangled up in filial relationships tends to complicate "consent" whether the participants are putatively "adult" or not. And very often, IRL accounts of "consensual" incest carry more than just a whiff of manipulation about them.

The truth has become terrifyingly mutable lately. Any fact can now be supported by a study or a "highly-ranking so-and-so" to progress or support any agenda.

And we are to use our own shrewdness to discern which is "good science." Your average person couldn't perform a scientifically valid test for whether the fridge light stays on when the door is closed.

Granted the "duelling studies" thing is always a conundrum, yeah; though in fairness, we've pretty much always been in the position of having to grope our way through based on less-than-expert appraisal of experts. It's just that the quantity of information and misinformation has grown.

 

[NicoleZ]

Sorry, I continue to believe you live in a small fishbowl on this. I think that those with an interest in incest are a very small percentage of the population. For you, it's just because you live in that small fishbowl. The interest is high on Literotica because it's offering a small fishbowl for it. It's fine with me that the fishbowl exists, but I don't believe it's anywhere as large as you want to believe it is.

This is so wrong. To start with, every child will at one point desire to marry either mum or dad which means that even if it's based on a desire to monopolise mum or dad and not sex, every human goes through this stage.

Then as adolescents, I'm convinced that pretty much everyone, at some point, has thought, fantasised or even masturbated thinking about "doing it" with either mum or dad.

Even among adults, it's a recurring theme. Lit itself is proof of that. We know that of all adults, 10% are gay another 10% bi. Yet GM (16,015 stories) and LS (13,641) combined are outnumbered by Incest (37,956). If we to that add the number of views, votes and comments where stories in GM/LS are less than 1/10th that of Incest, it becomes quite irrefutable - Incest is something that not only interests a large segment of the population. It is also far more compelling.