I like Ships too

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There are strange things done.....

 

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The Russians tell Greenpeace to stay out of their waters. Greenpeace sails in anyhow. Greenpeace launches inflatables with banners reading, "Save the Arctic". Russians board Greenpeace ship without permission.

Did they not see this coming?

 

[thør]

The Vladimir Ignatyuk is currently laying just off Nome.

 

[thør]

I can hear the patriotic Russian music playing over the loudspeakers.

 

[trysail]

I can hear the patriotic Russian music playing over the loudspeakers.

I'll be a sumbitch. Before too long there will be photographs of rigs drilling for Rosneft and ExxonMobil in the Kara Sea.

 

[thør]

I'll be a sumbitch. Before too long there will be photographs of rigs drilling for Rosneft and ExxonMobil in the Kara Sea.

Old Photo. She's been idle since August 2011.

 

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[Kitschshaman]

how old is that shot? I thought the Manhattan had gone to the breakers by now?

 

[thør]

how old is that shot? I thought the Manhattan had gone to the breakers by now?

After she went aground, she was broken up. That was back when a friend of mine took the ice voyage.

 

[trysail]

The world of container shipping is crucial to our everyday existence, yet few people have any idea what happens on the high seas. In an extract from her new book, Rose George delves inside this fascinating and secretive industry

Friday. No sensible sailor goes to sea on the day of the Crucifixion, or the journey will be followed by ill will and malice. So here I am on a Friday in June, looking up at a giant ship that will carry me from Felixstowe to Singapore, for five weeks and 9,288 nautical miles through the Pillars of Hercules, pirate waters and weather. I stop at the bottom of the ship’s gangway, waiting for an escort, stilled and awed by the immensity of this thing, much of her the colour of a summer-day sky, so blue; her bottom painted dull red; her name – Maersk Kendal – written large on her side.

There is such busy-ness around me. Everything in a modern container port is enormous, overwhelming, crushing. Kendal of course, but also the thundering trucks, the giant boxes in many colours, the massive gantry cranes that straddle the quay, reaching up 10 storeys and over to ships that stretch three football pitches in length. There are hardly any humans to be seen. When the journalist Henry Mayhew visited London’s docks in 1849, he found 'decayed and bankrupt master butchers, master bakers, publicans, grocers, old soldiers, old sailors, Polish refugees, broken-down gentlemen, discharged lawyers’ clerks, suspended Government clerks, almsmen, pensioners, servants, thieves’. They have long since gone. This is a Terminator terminal, a place where humans are hidden in crane or truck cabs, where everything is clamorous machines.​

- read the full article Container shipping: the secretive industry crucial to our existence (from The Telegraph)​

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Moskva is in the Med heading east. She's said to be a "carrier killer".

 

[ryan8558]

Moskva is in the Med heading east. She's said to be a "carrier killer".

She could be, assuming she's not sunk by a sub or cruise missiles first.

 

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[oggbashan]

Don't get me wrong, but destroyers and cruisers are the least of a carrier's worry. Every carrier group we were ever a part of consisted of 3 or 4 destroyers, 2 cruisers, 2 frigates, and a sub or two. spread out over hundreds of miles with sat links and weapon links not to mention the carrier's jets. An enemy surface ship is not getting anywhere close to a carrier. By no means.

That assumes that the carrier group's Rules of Engagement allow them to fire on a Russian ship.

If a fighting war was declared, then I would agree that an 'enemy' ship would have difficulty attacking a carrier. It wouldn't be impossible because missile ranges are now so long, but the protective screen should be able to deal with missiles.

But the US is not at war with Russia. The Russian ship could sail to within a couple of miles of the carrier. Sure, that ship would be challenged, but what, in reality could the carrier group commander do? Start World War III?

The Russian ship has to be a genuine threat, and the threat has to be recognised by the politicians in Washington before any defensive action could be taken.

A repeat of Pearl Harbor is always possible by an armed nation NOT declaring war first.

 

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[oggbashan]

Our ROE at sea is entirely left up to the CO of the battle group. Missiles alone would not "sink" a carrier and the number of harpoons and sub launched ASROCs would quickly take care of the threat.

I'm betting our CIWS would take out 70% of missiles fired.

Just my two cents.

IF an attack is detected, even then I doubt whether the CO has authority to do more than shoot down the missile(s). Counterattacking a ship belonging to Russia or China could lead to a major escalation - unless the CO has absolute proof that the missile(s) came from that ship and not another source.

Even if the CO has that authority, he should hesitate to respond if war is undeclared.

Since before the First World War, Radio communications have made it possible to communicate with the Commander in Chief before irrevocable action is taken. Even in the shortest 'war' on record, the Battle of Zanzibar, the Naval force commander was able to get orders by telegraph from the Admiralty in London before opening fire.

 

[thør]

IF an attack is detected, even then I doubt whether the CO has authority to do more than shoot down the missile(s). Counterattacking a ship belonging to Russia or China could lead to a major escalation - unless the CO has absolute proof that the missile(s) came from that ship and not another source.

Even if the CO has that authority, he should hesitate to respond if war is undeclared.

Since before the First World War, Radio communications have made it possible to communicate with the Commander in Chief before irrevocable action is taken. Even in the shortest 'war' on record, the Battle of Zanzibar, the Naval force commander was able to get orders by telegraph from the Admiralty in London before opening fire.

But what if he's putting?

 

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[trysail]

The asshole behind Oracle [Larry Ellison] is making the America's Cup very dangerous for sailors.


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http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-...ca-s-cup-imperils-sailors-pursuing-speed.html

 

[thør]

For those who have never seen it.

 

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[gotsnowgotslush]

oh OK I was guessing that it had to do with a storm brewing.

 

[trysail]

Way cool. This coming Monday, the salvagors of the Costa Concordia will commence an important step in the process: the parbuckling of the vessel. This is an extraordinary engineering and salvage project.

http://www.theparbucklingproject.com/

...the parbuckling or rotation will take about a couple of days, as the movement has to be extremely delicate and constantly monitored.

The parbuckling will be performed using strand jacks which will be tightening several cables attached to the top of the caissons and to the platforms, which will be pulled seawards, while the cables attached to the starboard turrets will be used for balancing.

This is a very delicate phase, during which the forces involved have to be offset carefully to rotate the wreck without deforming the hull.

by Sylvia Poggioli
http://www.npr.org/2013/09/13/222105521/off-the-tuscan-coast-raising-the-ill-fated-costa-concordia

...Weighing more than 114,000 tons, the ship rests precariously on two sloping underwater granite reefs. [Nick] Sloane's crew has pumped 18,000 tons of cement to fill the gaps between the reefs and support the hull.

With the use of cranes and winches, giant steel chains — each link weighing some 750 pounds — have been looped under the vessel to help pull it upright.

To protect the bow of the Concordia, it's been cradled in a specially built buoyancy tank that Sloane says is similar to a collar brace for an injured person.

"Before you rotate the patient you want to support the neck, so this is going to support her bow as we roll her over," he says. "That will reduce all the impacts on her spinal structure members, and that is going to save the bow during the parbuckle operation."

The most challenging part of the preparatory work was drilling into the reef to build an artificial seabed on which the upright vessel will rest: six steel platforms each the size of 1 1/2 football fields.

The granite off Giglio Island is the hardest rock known to man, Sloane says.

"It's like trying to drill with a hand drill on a plane of glass at a 45-degree angle and it just skips off the glass," he says. "The drill just wants to kick off the whole time away from the granite."

Crews, Officials Confident Of Success
With the ship chained to the mainland on one side and to steel pylons on the other, dozens of pulleys will slowly pull and rotate the ship upright at a rate of about 9 feet per hour...

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[NatashaluvBoris]

For those who have never seen it.

What is it?