10 hurdles men have to clear in order to approach a woman

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while women only have to show up in order to get a date, this is just ten of a few thousand hurdles a man has to clear:

(note: ever notice how there's no articles showing women how to pick up men? It's because they don't have to try?)

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10 Tips for Approaching Women

Most guys get caught up in guessing what to say; here's what they really should do
By David Wygant Special to Yahoo! Personals Updated: Dec 19, 2007

What do you do when you see a woman you are attracted to? Do you run and hide? Do you use some canned line that you read on the Internet? Do you stand there in fear trying to think of the right thing to say? What is the right thing to do?
When approaching a woman, most guys make the mistake of thinking too much about what to say. They believe there's one magic line that will work in all situations. They rehearse this magic line, and when they deliver it, they hope the woman will become instantly attracted to them.
Unfortunately, rarely does this approach work -- because most of what you say is irrelevant. To catch a woman's attention, it is all about the confidence you display when approaching her.
Here are 10 surefire ways to intrigue her every time:

1. Observe something. Make a comment about something you observe in the environment. This is especially effective at the grocery store. For example, if she is ordering a turkey sandwich, ask her if the turkey is good here. Make your comment immediate to the situation and it will seem perfectly natural. No matter where you are, there is always something interesting to comment on.

2. Smile. This shows her that you are friendly and confident. A genuine smile not only feels good to you, but will put her at ease while creating openness in the interaction -- a requirement for building rapport.
3. Do not hesitate. If you hesitate in your approach, this tells her that you are not feeling confident -- an immediate turn-off. When you see her, walk over to her within a short period of time (the three-second rule). Show her you are a man who knows what he wants and goes after it.
4. Positive body language. If you approach hunched over with your head down, you are sending negative information about yourself, which makes you dead in the water before you begin. Stand up straight, with shoulders back and chest out, and use a firm yet relaxed walk.
5. Not too fast. If you walk over too fast, you could likely trigger her internal alarm. A calm, casual approach is usually the best way to make her feel at ease with you.
6. Keep eye contact. Never be the first to break eye contact when you approach. If you do, this sends the message that you are not feeling good about approaching. When you use strong eye contact, she will feel more drawn to you. With practice, you can master this.
7. Listen up. Make sure you pay careful attention to what she says. Do not have your response pre-thought out. Women love a man who pays attention to the details of what she says. If you start throwing out random words, she will lose interest fast.
8. Do not fidget. Fidgeting after you approach is distracting and shows you are uncomfortable. If you communicate that you are uncomfortable, she will feel uncomfortable, too, and will close up. Practice being aware of your movements. Pay attention to those movements, or lack of movements, that communicate comfort and confidence.
9. Lighten your tone of voice. The tone of your voice is a very powerful tool. Approaching her in a light and playful tone is one of the best ways to start. You could also begin in a serious tone, accusing her of something like "I hope you saved some turkey for me," followed by a quick smile to let her know you are joking. Practice playing with your vocal tone with your friends -- notice the different reactions you get when you say the exact same thing using varied tones and fluctuations.
10. Lean away from her. A man who leans in too far when he talks often makes a woman feel crowded. A better approach is to lean away from her slightly. This lets her know that you respect her space, boundaries, and are comfortable with yourself.
The key to making these tips work for you is putting them into practice! Practice these tips and see the reaction you get. When you put them all together, you will be surprised at their power.
 
All of which are very good tips. Did anyone watch "The Pick up Artist" on Vh-1 earlier this year? He explained the same stuff, but more in depth.
 
how are those hurdles men have to overcome?

and most of those are things that most women do naturally... they give those tips out because most of the time men are nervous about approaching a woman and und up doing stupid things....
 
All of which are very good tips. Did anyone watch "The Pick up Artist" on Vh-1 earlier this year? He explained the same stuff, but more in depth.
Yes but if women were held to these same rules, can you imagine the chaos?

Don't break eye contact? Don't fidget? Oh my God, the calamity of it all. And tons of women lack confidence - as many women lack confidence as do men, at least - but women absolutely require it from men, no exceptions. The hypocrisy about this is so great it has its own gravitational field.

Guys give a lot in courtship that women would never and never will be asked to give.
 
Wow, they didn't point out the most important one.

Biggest tip: When you first meet a woman don't point out her obesity, she might slap you and may not go on a date with you.
 
how are those hurdles men have to overcome?

and most of those are things that most women do naturally... they give those tips out because most of the time men are nervous about approaching a woman and und up doing stupid things....
Well, let's run down the list...

Lack of confidence is easily as big an issue with women as it is with men, which is why so few women walk up and start talking to a guy. A woman could snarl like a dog and the guy would be asking her what's wrong; if a guy is doing that, the woman just writes him off and moves on. Which pretty much means there's more empathy coming from guys than women. For sure, confidence does NOT come naturally to women any more than men.
 
Well, let's run down the list...

Lack of confidence is easily as big an issue with women as it is with men, which is why so few women walk up and start talking to a guy. A woman could snarl like a dog and the guy would be asking her what's wrong; if a guy is doing that, the woman just writes him off and moves on. Which pretty much means there's more empathy coming from guys than women. For sure, confidence does NOT come naturally to women any more than men.

true.... the confidence part anyway.... but typically it is the guy approaching the girl not vice versa, and women who approach men tend to be more confident to begin with.

and the girl would not necessarily write him off, you just like to think that because it justifies the crap you post.
 
where does it say "rules" in that article?
They're not written rules; but they are rules in the sense that if a man violates them, he's toast.

Women are FAR less forgiving than guys, when it comes to dating. You have to admit that.

Oh and SoaringAdonis - yeah, watch what you say to a woman. Guys don't go around slapping women for perceived insults, but boy howdy, say something insulting to a woman and violence will ensue.
 
true.... the confidence part anyway.... but typically it is the guy approaching the girl not vice versa, and women who approach men tend to be more confident to begin with.

and the girl would not necessarily write him off, you just like to think that because it justifies the crap you post.
Crap? Apparently you didn't read this:

"2. Smile. This shows her that you are friendly and confident. A genuine smile not only feels good to you, but will put her at ease while creating openness in the interaction -- a requirement for building rapport."

It directly contradicts your last sentence.
 
Be sure to spare the next generation from this trauma.

Arrange their marriages.
 
Smiling's a hurdle?

That makes me want to date men, all right.
 
Be sure to spare the next generation from this trauma.

Arrange their marriages.

True story:

24 year old eastern European decent woman, born and raised in America by immigrant parents.

First arranged marriage results in 2 beautiful children and him not working and beating her. She stands up and divorces him. Moves back in with the parents.

Second arranged marriage results in a man who will work and she is happy for a moment. Then child #1 tells her (2 weeks ago) that step daddy touched her "there".....She is a basket case and already back with the parents.

I looked into her haunted eyes two days ago and had to look away.

NO ONE DESERVES THIS.
 
while women only have to show up in order to get a date, this is just ten of a few thousand hurdles a man has to clear:
Yeah, life's unfair.

10 Tips for Approaching Women

Most guys get caught up in guessing what to say; here's what they really should do
By David Wygant Special to Yahoo! Personals Updated: Dec 19, 2007

What do you do when you see a woman you are attracted to? Do you run and hide? Do you use some canned line that you read on the Internet? Do you stand there in fear trying to think of the right thing to say? What is the right thing to do?
When approaching a woman, most guys make the mistake of thinking too much about what to say. They believe there's one magic line that will work in all situations. They rehearse this magic line, and when they deliver it, they hope the woman will become instantly attracted to them.
Unfortunately, rarely does this approach work -- because most of what you say is irrelevant. To catch a woman's attention, it is all about the confidence you display when approaching her.
Here are 10 surefire ways to intrigue her every time:

1. Observe something. Make a comment about something you observe in the environment. This is especially effective at the grocery store. For example, if she is ordering a turkey sandwich, ask her if the turkey is good here. Make your comment immediate to the situation and it will seem perfectly natural. No matter where you are, there is always something interesting to comment on.

2. Smile. This shows her that you are friendly and confident. A genuine smile not only feels good to you, but will put her at ease while creating openness in the interaction -- a requirement for building rapport.
3. Do not hesitate. If you hesitate in your approach, this tells her that you are not feeling confident -- an immediate turn-off. When you see her, walk over to her within a short period of time (the three-second rule). Show her you are a man who knows what he wants and goes after it.
4. Positive body language. If you approach hunched over with your head down, you are sending negative information about yourself, which makes you dead in the water before you begin. Stand up straight, with shoulders back and chest out, and use a firm yet relaxed walk.
5. Not too fast. If you walk over too fast, you could likely trigger her internal alarm. A calm, casual approach is usually the best way to make her feel at ease with you.
6. Keep eye contact. Never be the first to break eye contact when you approach. If you do, this sends the message that you are not feeling good about approaching. When you use strong eye contact, she will feel more drawn to you. With practice, you can master this.
7. Listen up. Make sure you pay careful attention to what she says. Do not have your response pre-thought out. Women love a man who pays attention to the details of what she says. If you start throwing out random words, she will lose interest fast.
8. Do not fidget. Fidgeting after you approach is distracting and shows you are uncomfortable. If you communicate that you are uncomfortable, she will feel uncomfortable, too, and will close up. Practice being aware of your movements. Pay attention to those movements, or lack of movements, that communicate comfort and confidence.
9. Lighten your tone of voice. The tone of your voice is a very powerful tool. Approaching her in a light and playful tone is one of the best ways to start. You could also begin in a serious tone, accusing her of something like "I hope you saved some turkey for me," followed by a quick smile to let her know you are joking. Practice playing with your vocal tone with your friends -- notice the different reactions you get when you say the exact same thing using varied tones and fluctuations.
10. Lean away from her. A man who leans in too far when he talks often makes a woman feel crowded. A better approach is to lean away from her slightly. This lets her know that you respect her space, boundaries, and are comfortable with yourself.
The key to making these tips work for you is putting them into practice! Practice these tips and see the reaction you get. When you put them all together, you will be surprised at their power.

These can be narrowed down to
1. Appear confident. (covers 2,3,4,6,8)
2. Don't appear overconfident. (covers 5, 9, 10)

1 and 7 are unnecesary, at least in getting a date. There are more not listed here.
 
Yeah, life's unfair.



These can be narrowed down to
1. Appear confident. (covers 2,3,4,6,8)
2. Don't appear overconfident. (covers 5, 9, 10)

1 and 7 are unnecesary, at least in getting a date. There are more not listed here.

Hey Cutie!
 
Blue's rules to meeting women.


Step 1: Be yourself.

Step 2: If step 1 fails, move on without hesitating.

The world has changed for both men and women. While women have more opportunities so do men. Don't take shit from anyone.
 
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