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Thoughts About Writing Incest

hi

people do what they like and please in their pvt life as long as it is mutualy conscented.Taboo is a myth to be broken.Who,why,and how is taboo fixed anway?
 
lovecraft68 said:
Right on all accounts.

My rant was based on the simple fact of fans of one extreme kink judging another.

The last part of your post is the type of stories that are not supposed to be allowed here.

But when you have a section called non consent....you have no cause to complain if people post those stories, but if you have a rule you should be enforcing it and it is rarely enforced.

At least not until someone gets so disgusted by one they report it. There were two linked on the boards in the last couple of months where within the first few lines the woman was punched in the face....the fact they passed tells me there is no intention on enforcing that rule

So...why the hell bother? Pilot kept saying wink wink about his thought on under age, but it sure as hell is wink wink with no consent and the wink is at the top.

The site rule(the one it makes no effort to enforce anyway) states the 'victim" should enjoy it at some point. Now I know the thought there is take the edge off the equal to "no one was really hurt during the filming of...."

Okay...but...in reality stories that start with the woman being raped then suddenly loving it(and many stories there its an immediate 360 with no explanation at all...) does is it enforces the misogynistic view that all women really want it and no always means yes.

Good job there. Its less damaging to simply write the story as a flat out rape and the people who get off on it cn get off on it. That's better than perpetuating the disgusting thought women want it no matter what they say.

The second issue is the okay...it looks like a brutal rape for 2 pages then you find out it was her husband and friends, it was a role play, a birthday gift, they were filming a movie...something to say "she was into it all along, she wasn't being raped see?"

Okay fine, but here's the rub there. The author knows, the author knows from the firts to last word there is no rape. In their mind they are writing a rough consensual scene.

But the reader buys the rape and...gets off on it. So even if at the end its found not to be no consent...what was the reader jerking off to? Rape, they were getting off on the brutal rape of a woman and many of these feature physical violence as well, punching, choking...and that is what they cum to...in fact I bet they don't even get to the authors reveal...

What you read is what gets you hot, they are not getting off to "Oh, I bet that's her boyfriend! I bet..." NO its "give it to that fucking bitch!"

Women's rape fantasies are more harmless in them they are the "victim" but know damn well they reall don't want to be raped.

Men's rape fantasies are those of the rapist. Women are turned on by the thought of being powerless, no control they are being taken.

The men the fantasy is as the attacker and the thrill, is being the one to force and hurt the woman.

End of day these are fictional stories and one hopes that in non consent and incest that the readers leave it at fiction ist their kink and it ends there. BUt again its worth mentioning the incest crowd likes it fun and fluffy they don't want to rape their mothr or sister, but love them and many have that desire but never acted on it.

Rape is a brutal pain inflicting fantasy from the male POV and there is no way around that, they get off on the pain, in some ways it is like a Dom in BDSM....the only difference is the big word called consent in BDSM that states whatever he is doing he has the subs permission.

Again only point is fans of rape stories have no cause to ever judge another's kink, they, not the incest crowd should be the ones keeping their kink to themselves. Personally I would rather find out my neighbor has incest porn on his computer than rape porn. If for no other reason than I would know he wants a family member. A rape fan...I have daughters and how do I know he hasn't stared at them or my wife and fantasized about doing it to them?

My wife has worked with victims of rape and domestic abuse for years, I'ev taught many of these women self defense meaning I have spent time with them and seen the results. I've seen some of their attackers in court as a character witness and a couple of times when the assholes violated restraining orders to come by the home.

Because of that I have nothing but loathing for the category and because I am always honest....I do not have good feelings about the authors and readers of pure rape fantasies. that's my opinion and right.

If you get off to pure rape and pain and sexual slavery...you're scum in my eyes. The incest crowd wants fun non con readers want pain...

Tell me which one is worse?
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On one occasion, fifty years ago, I met a rape victim who fared well from the event. She was in therapy for chronic depression when the rape occurred. And the depression went away....POOF. The outcome startled all. Never ran into another such occurrence.
 
JAMESBJOHNSON said:
On one occasion, fifty years ago, I met a rape victim who fared well from the event. She was in therapy for chronic depression when the rape occurred. And the depression went away....POOF. The outcome startled all. Never ran into another such occurrence.
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For myself I find the non consensual stories I like are more akin to 'tricked' or coerced, by that I mean the woman is seduced by someone other than her partner. I find the act of holding a woman down, using guns etc is very distressing and often a lot of these stories feature the 'Black Man' of urban myth. Tellingly all these stories are written by 'white men'.

Myself I like lots of stories with similar themes and I'll post a few examples later.

It reminds me often of that chap Max Hardcore. God was there ever such a pathetic specimen of a human who braved the creatively barren world of late 20th early 21st century porn than this specimen.

Anyway I'll dig my links out.

https://www.literotica.com/s/valestock-ch-01

https://www.literotica.com/s/going-too-far-2

Now from a woman's perspective these hit the buttons (well mine anyway).
 
Black_and_White_Writer said:
For myself I find the non consensual stories I like are more akin to 'tricked' or coerced, by that I mean the woman is seduced by someone other than her partner. I find the act of holding a woman down, using guns etc is very distressing and often a lot of these stories feature the 'Black Man' of urban myth. Tellingly all these stories are written by 'white men'.

Myself I like lots of stories with similar themes and I'll post a few examples later.

It reminds me often of that chap Max Hardcore. God was there ever such a pathetic specimen of a human who braved the creatively barren world of late 20th early 21st century porn than this specimen.

Anyway I'll dig my links out.

https://www.literotica.com/s/valestock-ch-01

https://www.literotica.com/s/going-too-far-2

Now from a woman's perspective these hit the buttons (well mine anyway).
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Sure. As I always say, most people are of two minds when it comes to controversial activities. Part of them would never do the deed, and the other part wants an opportunity to do it. The ambivalence is what fuels porn and erotica.

IRL men go to prison when the female screams rape, always after the husband finds out about the sex with the cop or therapist or clergy. I posted a story about a woman I knew from childhood. She married my best friend. But her daughter brought her to my hospital one night, and I admitted her. She spilled the beans on my best friend. They were swingers. She consented to it to keep him. But he dumped her to be with a woman they met. And now my old friend was suicidal and telling all. Her husband was embarrassed at the revelation.

I admitted her, then she killed herself after discharge. Her husband married the other woman and had kids. I haven't seem or spoke to my friend since 1993, his choice. Two of his sisters, and one daughter have nothing to do with him. In my story the wife goes to the hospital and gets it on with her doctor. Later the husband comes home and she shoots him dead as an 'intruder.'

I'm writing a story about a black man used by the lesbian police chief to murder political enemies. The lesbian occasionally likes sex with a male, and she keeps him supplied with gals. I call it SOMETIMES YOU FEEL LIKE A NUT.
 
Almost done writing a story about when Sonny took his ma on a cruise after his wife died. Brother Lovecraft will hate it, but the Devil made them do it.
 
Geez, it's a pissing match of "your taboo kink is more evil than mine" in here. Yeah, that's pretty much the entire point of a taboo kink. Something that we would never, ever want to do, have happen to us, or endorse in real life, yet in a fictionalized (read: not quite true-to-life) context can feed the portions of our brains that desire something exotic, something different from the ordinary. Just breaking "the rules" in general can be a thrill, these are the things that break the sexual "rules".

Hell, throw in the "taboo" of high school teachers fucking their students, and how girls fucking male teachers are thought of as victims while boys fucking female teachers are thought of as hitting the lottery. Yeah, terrible things happen to people in real life. That's never stopped anybody from doing anything, or else auto racing would have ended as a sport after the first big crash. Somebody who was attacked and bitten by a dog when they were five might need a trigger warning for a story that includes a pet dog, bestiality or not. Most people still like dogs.

There's a reason it's difficult to have a sane conversation about taboo sex kinks. They aren't very nice topics at all. That's a given.
 
Incest is complicated and intriguing. I love writing stories about it. Something about the intimacy with someone who is familiar, who typically has boundaries which can be tested.....
 
goodsonformom said:
Incest is complicated and intriguing. I love writing stories about it. Something about the intimacy with someone who is familiar, who typically has boundaries which can be tested.....
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I write incest (when I write) but don't much read it nor get excited over the sex I write. To me it's a challenge, a puzzle-piece: How to make breaking the ultimate taboo believable? Or I take the Gordian Knot approach: Merely slice through all the improbabilities and proceed with setup, actions, and reactions.

Murder mysteries may be a parallel. A writer may not read much of other mystery writers' works and may not really want to murder someone. But building and revealing the mystery is fun.
 
I’ve only done two, only published one; I was skittish about the genre, and it doesn’t turn me on. I wrote them on a dare.

I feel like succumbing to incest is not a thing that people “should” do. So the challenge for me was believability, attained mostly through using fairly reprehensible characters of equal age. I don’t want to write about victimization, and i didn’t want the characters to be sympathetic.
 
Voboy said:
I feel like succumbing to incest is not a thing that people “should” do. So the challenge for me was believability, attained mostly through using fairly reprehensible characters of equal age. I don’t want to write about victimization, and i didn’t want the characters to be sympathetic.
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Incest erotica is all total fantasy. Real-life incest is overwhelmingly brutal, as I note in What is Incest? I suspect many fetishes and kinks are much uglier in reality than in fiction. And remember that fiction must make sense but reality needn't. All sorts of unbelievable shit occurs in the world. Too much is ugly and definitely not erotic. We're more entertained by our dreams.
 
Hypoxia said:
I write incest (when I write) but don't much read it nor get excited over the sex I write. To me it's a challenge, a puzzle-piece: How to make breaking the ultimate taboo believable? Or I take the Gordian Knot approach: Merely slice through all the improbabilities and proceed with setup, actions, and reactions.

Murder mysteries may be a parallel. A writer may not read much of other mystery writers' works and may not really want to murder someone. But building and revealing the mystery is fun.
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I write from experience, real life experiences that are of course enhanced to some degree. My stories are base on true life.......Yours? Or simply fantasy?
 
In all of my incest stories but one (mom/son) I have the daughter or sister initiate everything. Part of that was sort of to therapeutically rewrite history, the other because I think it's sexier. Not every incestuous experience I've drawn on for my writing has been traumatic, and I know many people who've had fun keeping it in the family, but overall, incest erotica is glamorized fiction- but then so is non-con, romance, exhibition, ad nauseum.
 
goodsonformom said:
I write from experience, real life experiences that are of course enhanced to some degree. My stories are base on true life.......Yours? Or simply fantasy?
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Well, there were some cousins... :eek:
"You might be a redneck if... you go to family reunions to find dates."​
 
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Alice_Rosaleen said:
In all of my incest stories but one (mom/son) I have the daughter or sister initiate everything. Part of that was sort of to therapeutically rewrite history, the other because I think it's sexier. Not every incestuous experience I've drawn on for my writing has been traumatic, and I know many people who've had fun keeping it in the family, but overall, incest erotica is glamorized fiction- but then so is non-con, romance, exhibition, ad nauseum.
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Making the daughter or sister the instigator, or making the son the instigator, as is often the case in mom-son stories, mitigates the objection people have concerning the "inevitable" power imbalance that supposedly makes incest wrong. Having written a fair amount of mom-son incest and having read dozens of comments in response to them, I've observed that the chief, though not only, audience for the genre is men lusting after their moms. That fact completely undercuts the notion that incest fantasies are just a thin disguise for pedophilia, which is what some of its critics here seem to think. When I read my readers' comments I just laugh at that objection. It's so silly.

Literotica incest is fantasy, period. As an author, I have no idea what unnatural and unhealthy desires my readers might harbor. I don't care, and I'm not responsible for them. My guess is the unhealthy ones are a tiny fraction of the overall readers, and that next to nothing about my readers' real lives can be inferred from the fact they read my stories. The same thing could be true of a crime fiction author, some of whose readers might be psychopaths. The actor Michael Douglas used to describe with amazement how people would tell him they saw the movie Wall Street and how Gordon Gekko was a hero and model to them. You never know about people, and about readers, and I don't think authors are responsible for them.
 
SimonDoom said:
Making the daughter or sister the instigator, or making the son the instigator, as is often the case in mom-son stories, mitigates the objection people have concerning the "inevitable" power imbalance that supposedly makes incest wrong. Having written a fair amount of mom-son incest and having read dozens of comments in response to them, I've observed that the chief, though not only, audience for the genre is men lusting after their moms. That fact completely undercuts the notion that incest fantasies are just a thin disguise for pedophilia, which is what some of its critics here seem to think. When I read my readers' comments I just laugh at that objection. It's so silly.

Literotica incest is fantasy, period. As an author, I have no idea what unnatural and unhealthy desires my readers might harbor. I don't care, and I'm not responsible for them. My guess is the unhealthy ones are a tiny fraction of the overall readers, and that next to nothing about my readers' real lives can be inferred from the fact they read my stories. The same thing could be true of a crime fiction author, some of whose readers might be psychopaths. The actor Michael Douglas used to describe with amazement how people would tell him they saw the movie Wall Street and how Gordon Gekko was a hero and model to them. You never know about people, and about readers, and I don't think authors are responsible for them.
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In mother son I generally have the son have the interest and be conflicted over it. When the time comes mom discovers his interest, he ends up surprised to find she is a willing partner in his guilt ridden fantasies. I've used various reasons for mom to go along and won't list them here.

There is a double standard in incest where many people are fine with mombeing the aggressor and I imagine its okay because mom/son is closer to Cougar/cub/ MIlf then many think. Most people who read milf will read 'mom' and vice versa.

In the case of mom making the move, its seen as sexy. The experienced older woman seducing and getting what she wants from a young less experienced lover who is enthralled with her.

But in dad/daughter the dad being the aggressor-even as in making the firts move not literally being aggressive- has a very rapey vibe. It doesn't matter how the author writes it that abuse of power feeling is there.

Fair? Not at all. Real? Very much so.

So I find many people prefer to have the daughter being the hot little minx coming on to a surprised and even somewhat hesitant dad. Older brother sister is the same-for me anyway-I usually write the sisters as the instigator.
 
lovecraft68 said:
In mother son I generally have the son have the interest and be conflicted over it. When the time comes mom discovers his interest, he ends up surprised to find she is a willing partner in his guilt ridden fantasies. I've used various reasons for mom to go along and won't list them here.

There is a double standard in incest where many people are fine with mombeing the aggressor and I imagine its okay because mom/son is closer to Cougar/cub/ MIlf then many think. Most people who read milf will read 'mom' and vice versa.

In the case of mom making the move, its seen as sexy. The experienced older woman seducing and getting what she wants from a young less experienced lover who is enthralled with her.

But in dad/daughter the dad being the aggressor-even as in making the firts move not literally being aggressive- has a very rapey vibe. It doesn't matter how the author writes it that abuse of power feeling is there.

Fair? Not at all. Real? Very much so.

So I find many people prefer to have the daughter being the hot little minx coming on to a surprised and even somewhat hesitant dad. Older brother sister is the same-for me anyway-I usually write the sisters as the instigator.
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My thoughts exactly. I haven't written a father-daughter story, and it would make me somewhat uncomfortable, I think, although there are some good stories of this type.

In one of my stories, told from the son's point of view, the son appears to be the aggressor over 90+% of the story, but in the end it turns out she had designs on him too. I think these stories work best when there are mutual feelings, but where the younger one appears to drive the plot.
 
SimonDoom said:
My thoughts exactly. I haven't written a father-daughter story, and it would make me somewhat uncomfortable, I think, although there are some good stories of this type.

In one of my stories, told from the son's point of view, the son appears to be the aggressor over 90+% of the story, but in the end it turns out she had designs on him too. I think these stories work best when there are mutual feelings, but where the younger one appears to drive the plot.
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Yeah, in my mom/son, the son initiates a romantic encounter and the mother succumbs because she's had feelings for him too. It makes sense that readers feel "better" knowing the child wants something taboo and the parent resists these feelings because it's the "right" thing to do, but in reality it still doesn't change the power dynamic. Just like in reality, enjoying the physical sensation of being raped doesn't make it not rape.
Literotica anything is fantasy- but that doesn't mean it can't represent reality.
 
SimonDoom said:
My thoughts exactly. I haven't written a father-daughter story, and it would make me somewhat uncomfortable, I think, although there are some good stories of this type.

In one of my stories, told from the son's point of view, the son appears to be the aggressor over 90+% of the story, but in the end it turns out she had designs on him too. I think these stories work best when there are mutual feelings, but where the younger one appears to drive the plot.
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And the mom wanted it all along is a nice twist reveal as well.
 
Son wants mom and mom says okay because....

1-She has had the same feelings, but being the parent it would be wrong to approach him, abuse of power, but seeing he's coming to her? Game on.

2-Mom flips and denies the son, tells him he's wrong. He's heartbroken. Mom then stews and starts thinking she may have done something to give him mixed signals, she blames herself she starts to think that maybe the only way he'll get over this is to give in to him to 'get it out of his system"

3-Mom has been lonely and attention starved since husband died, divorced, pays her no mind etc...son is showing her a love and affection, although unhealthy in society's eyes and she, and wants to make her happy 'in every way' that line is cliched, but they eat it up...so mom succumbs to what she needs no longer caring its her son.

4-Mom is pissed off and gets so upset it turns into "so this is what you want? Okay and all but hate fucks him. This device if left alone will get creamed in Taboo, but if you keep going and mom expresses remorse for the way it happened and comes to terms with the fact she enjoyed it and now wants to make it up to the son by having a much softer more sensual...

5-I could go all day.....
 
lovecraft68 said:
And the mom wanted it all along is a nice twist reveal as well.
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The interesting thing I've discovered about the incest readership is what a bunch of sappy romantics a lot of them are. A lot of the readers really like the theme of overpowering love between mom and son. They enjoy a romantic angle to it, so it's not just about uncontrollable lust.
 
SimonDoom said:
The interesting thing I've discovered about the incest readership is what a bunch of sappy romantics a lot of them are. A lot of the readers really like the theme of overpowering love between mom and son. They enjoy a romantic angle to it, so it's not just about uncontrollable lust.
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Incest romance sounds like an oxymoron, but they love it
 
SimonDoom said:
I haven't written a father-daughter story, and it would make me somewhat uncomfortable, I think, although there are some good stories of this type.
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In my father-daughter episodes dad NEVER knowingly initiates. That's too creepy because IRL abuse.

And despite reader demand, daughter doesn't go looking to seduce Daddy. They either don't know of their relationship because long separation; or are compelled by external forces or events; or it's unexplained but brief, like glimpses of mom and daughter alternately blowing and pegging wimpish dad.

I can grok and write romance or seduction with siblings or aunt or uncle but not knowingly with parents; not erotic without some forceful trigger or quirk.
 
SimonDoom said:
The interesting thing I've discovered about the incest readership is what a bunch of sappy romantics a lot of them are. A lot of the readers really like the theme of overpowering love between mom and son. They enjoy a romantic angle to it, so it's not just about uncontrollable lust.
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I agree SimonD. I too enjoy a more romantic direction in mother/son incest stories. My stories typically involve a sexually frustrated mother, a curious son, and the romance that develops between them. I also love the tension and conflict surrounding the taboo act of sex between the mother and son, and how that plays out. Another powerful part of the tension for me is when Mom becomes more comfortable with her actions, no longer feeling any guilt in seducing her son, and takes more control, showing more dominance before the son finally claims her as his lover.
 
lovecraft68 said:
Incest romance sounds like an oxymoron, but they love it
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People reading incest stories are often missing that intimate familial bond (or love in general) in their lives. It's no surprise to me since I've started writing that most I/T readers don't want to see daughters and sisters being raped or taken advantage of, fathers who are cruel or moms who pressure their sons into replacing their dads. They want actual romance, possibly even deeper than readers of Romance itself.
 
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