Is there a keyword for less "dirty" sex talk?

[RedBob]

Wow, that subject line sounds prudish. I'm really turned off by certain conventions used in a lot of stories. It's not about crassness or swearing, just a certain approach to what's supposed to be arousing. Slut, whore, filthy, dirty, bad little (boy/girl); why so negative? Actually, I don't really care at the moment, I'm just saying it doesn't do it for me.

Is there a search term that looks for whatever the opposite of that is? Again, it's not the "bad words" thing or even a "classy" thing, it's that sex is somehow a "naughty" thing, rather than a positive.

 

[lovecraft68]

Not sure on the search, but category has a lot to do with language. YOu will see a lot of slut, whore... in bdsm where humiliation is part of things. You'll see it in LW because according to the category fans that is all women are.

In a category like group it would be helpful to look at title and story tag lines. If its a loving couple playing with another girl/guy odds are you won't see that. If its a "gangbang" story you may get a lot of "look at you, you little slut"

I would think there is much less of that in romance.

Anyway I think the stories you pick by their nature will determine what kinnd of talk will be in it.

Something that is an opinion of mine is that excessive use of dirty talk and profanity is used to try to cover up the fact the author sucks at dialogue and can't find better ways to say things. That and looking for some sort of shock value.

 

[RedBob]

That's helpful, thank you. I haven't looked at romance yet.

I've really enjoyed the text with audio group. The downside is, that's where I'm finding female narrators describing themselves that way, apparently intended as a turn on.

 

[lovecraft68]

That's helpful, thank you. I haven't looked at romance yet.

I've really enjoyed the text with audio group. The downside is, that's where I'm finding female narrators describing themselves that way, apparently intended as a turn on.

Intended is the right word. They are assuming-and I would think correctly- that its a more male audience and they are pandering to it by going with "male based" porn fantasy of "Oh, I'm such a whore, I want to be your whore..."

Too bad because like everything else many people are turned on by softer more subtle approaches then just all out fucking.

Here is two from me you may like. The women in it do not talk dirty too much at all and never refer to themselves in the context you mentioned you do not like.

http://www.literotica.com/s/thats-what-friends-are-for-13

http://www.literotica.com/s/karma-7

In Karma there is a character in the beginning that uses some demeaning language, but not during sex he is just an asshole.

 

[PennLady]

LC's right. Something like Romance would have less chance of such language. I'd recommend my stories (http://www.literotica.com/stories/memberpage.php?uid=1075512&page=submissions), and MugsyB's (http://www.literotica.com/stories/memberpage.php?uid=798220) and annanova. Sorry, don't have her link at the moment.

For my stories, skip "In the Red Parlor."

 

[lovecraft68]

LC's right. Something like Romance would have less chance of such language. I'd recommend my stories (http://www.literotica.com/stories/memberpage.php?uid=1075512&page=submissions), and MugsyB's (http://www.literotica.com/stories/memberpage.php?uid=798220) and annanova. Sorry, don't have her link at the moment.

For my stories, skip "In the Red Parlor."

Now you know I am going to have to run off and read that one now.

 

[RedBob]

Intended is the right word. They are assuming-and I would think correctly- that its a more male audience and they are pandering to it by going with "male based" porn fantasy of "Oh, I'm such a whore, I want to be your whore..."

Too bad because like everything else many people are turned on by softer more subtle approaches then just all out fucking.

In Karma there is a character in the beginning that uses some demeaning language, but not during sex he is just an asshole.

I'll check out the recommendations. I think the phrase "demeaning language" is what I'm trying to get away from. Explicit and crass, I'm fine with, it's the underlying idea that enjoying sex is a bad thing that really pulls me out of the story. For some reason I find myself wanting to apologize for even starting this thread. I'm not a crusader and don't want to criticize what others seem to find titillating, but as I'm figuring out what turns me on, I'm finding that the demeaning language isn't it.

The word "soothing" keeps coming to mind as to what I'm looking for.

 

[lovecraft68]

I'll check out the recommendations. I think the phrase "demeaning language" is what I'm trying to get away from. Explicit and crass, I'm fine with, it's the underlying idea that enjoying sex is a bad thing that really pulls me out of the story. For some reason I find myself wanting to apologize for even starting this thread. I'm not a crusader and don't want to criticize what others seem to find titillating, but as I'm figuring out what turns me on, I'm finding that the demeaning language isn't it.

The word "soothing" keeps coming to mind as to what I'm looking for.

You're not coming across that way. This site has plenty for everybody and you're looking for what you enjoy the most.

Truthfully I've written a lot of stuff in the BDSM femdom vein that would be exactly what you don't like, but I've written a few "softer" things as well, I like to try my hand at a lot of things (that was not a masturbation joke, really)

And here is one more, surprised it did not come to mind. This one I am sure you would enjoy. Except for an age difference a straight up romance that has had my "fans" busting my balls ever since I wrote it

In fact I would say read this before the others I linked

http://www.literotica.com/s/home-is-where-the-heart-is-1

 

[Hypoxia]

May I nominate myself? I don't write (nor edit) stories with demeaning language. My characters and narrators do not verbally excoriate. There may be weirdness, but not viciousness. Not my thing. A few of my characters may DESERVE such language, and the reader is free to think, "Oy, what a dickhead / slut / skank / whatever." But I just don't write that way explicitly. I don't do rape, involuntary gangbangs, noncon, SM, etc. (My one story in NC was meant for LW -- and the NC audience hated it. My one story in LW was bombed because I *didn't* excoriate and punish the cheating wife.) Yeah, read Hypoxia for good clean slurpy fun.

 

[lovecraft68]

May I nominate myself? I don't write (nor edit) stories with demeaning language. My characters and narrators do not verbally excoriate. There may be weirdness, but not viciousness. Not my thing. A few of my characters may DESERVE such language, and the reader is free to think, "Oy, what a dickhead / slut / skank / whatever." But I just don't write that way explicitly. I don't do rape, involuntary gangbangs, noncon, SM, etc. (My one story in NC was meant for LW -- and the NC audience hated it. My one story in LW was bombed because I *didn't* excoriate and punish the cheating wife.) Yeah, read Hypoxia for good clean slurpy fun.

Wow, you are right up my alley the "real men" of lit must hate you.

 

[Hypoxia]

Wow, you are right up my alley the "real men" of lit must hate you.

Apparently.

They don't much like my banana-slug incest story, either.

 

[lovecraft68]

Apparently.

They don't much like my banana-slug incest story, either.

Yeah well that one was.......out there.

But I give you huge credit for posting it.

You march to the beat of your own muse for sure, good for you.

 

[RedBob]

Thanks for the feedback - Banana-slug incest story?

By the way - LW: is that "Loving Wives?"

 

[lovecraft68]

Thanks for the feedback - Banana-slug incest story?

By the way - LW: is that "Loving Wives?"

Yes and going by the material ou find objectionable I would avoid it like the plague. Years ago there were some romance style "loving" stories, but over time the section has devolved into cuck stories, both willing and unwilling and burn the bitch revenge stories. It's pretty much a cesspool for someone with your tastes.

 

[Hypoxia]

Thanks for the feedback - Banana-slug incest story?

Yes, linked in my post above. It's weirdly funny but not nasty.

By the way - LW: is that "Loving Wives?"

Yes and going by the material ou find objectionable I would avoid it like the plague. Years ago there were some romance style "loving" stories, but over time the section has devolved into cuck stories, both willing and unwilling and burn the bitch revenge stories. It's pretty much a cesspool for someone with your tastes.

The top-rated LW stories are IMHO well-written. But they're old. Newer LW tales (and comments) can be vicious. I have some non-vicious LW stories in the works that will totally enrage the resident fucktards. But if I want to avoid being 1-bombed, I may have to shift categories. Hmmm...

 

[lovecraft68]

Yes, linked in my post above. It's weirdly funny but not nasty.




The top-rated LW stories are IMHO well-written. But they're old. Newer LW tales (and comments) can be vicious. I have some non-vicious LW stories in the works that will totally enrage the resident fucktards. But if I want to avoid being 1-bombed, I may have to shift categories. Hmmm...

These days a non vicious LW story would be better off placed in Erotic couplings nowhere near the views and votes, but you won't get one bombed or have your life threatened.

 

[RedBob]

I just read the Banana Slug incest story. Very nicely done.

 

[LadyVer]

Wow, that subject line sounds prudish. I'm really turned off by certain conventions used in a lot of stories. It's not about crassness or swearing, just a certain approach to what's supposed to be arousing. Slut, whore, filthy, dirty, bad little (boy/girl); why so negative? Actually, I don't really care at the moment, I'm just saying it doesn't do it for me.

Is there a search term that looks for whatever the opposite of that is? Again, it's not the "bad words" thing or even a "classy" thing, it's that sex is somehow a "naughty" thing, rather than a positive.

Glad you posted this. I have the same feelings about this. A lot of writers assume that because they're writing an erotica story, the crasser and the more explicit the language, the better. (And please I'm not trying to start an argument with anyone. These are my opinions. This is a free speech site, and I understand that there are readers and writers who feel differently). It doesn't turn me on for a male character to call his woman a cunt, because after being called a cunt repeatedly on Lit on various forums, it's not a word that generates erotic thoughts or ideas with me.

And to me the idea that sex is perverted or naughty is just weird. Now, writers can make it that way in writing as a turn-on for readers for various genres or themes, but it just isn't the way I see sex.

Interesting thread.

 

[Hypoxia]

I just read the Banana Slug incest story. Very nicely done.

Thank you, thank you. [/me buffs fingernails on lapel] Of course you voted, right? An up-vote would be nice. But with a little 1-bombing, the score can soon drop below 2.0, a new record low for me. Wow!

A lot of writers assume that because they're writing an erotica story, the crasser and the more explicit the language, the better.

I seem to recall some highly-rated stories here with little sex and no denigrating language. (And low-rated tales too, like BIG BANANA.) Yes, it CAN be done. A certain level of author maturity is required. The very first erotic story I wrote, oh so long ago, was crassly explicit. I think I was 14 then. I think I still have the rejection slip stashed away. My future sister-in-law, now a NYT-BS lister, was only a little better then, writing tales of human-dragon sex. At least they weren't crass.

I love a certain truism: WE GAIN GOOD JUDGEMENT FROM EXPERIENCE. WE GAIN EXPERIENCE BY MAKING LOUSY JUDGEMENTS. Writers of erotic crap IMHO have yet to learn their judgement is lousy. And if their audiences love the crap -- just remember that half the population is below average.

 

[kingbooruwa]

Recently, I attempted to write a story with almost no "dirty" words. Maybe you could get some ideas from it.

http://www.literotica.com/s/beast-and-the-beauties-ch-01

Being a story in "NonConsent/Reluctance" category, I had to put extra effort, and had to use lot of imagination and dictionaries to find better words. So far the reactions from the readers had been very positive; They really liked the new change of terms.

 

[stevieraygovan]

While my stories do include 'dirty' words, there has never and will never be anything demeaning said in any of them, especially towards women.

Can't stand that crap.

 

[Hypoxia]

While my stories do include 'dirty' words, there has never and will never be anything demeaning said in any of them, especially towards women.

Can't stand that crap.

I wouldn't go that far because, honestly, people ain't nice. People use and abuse violent and gut-twisting language. But there's the morality-play stratagem: the abusive person gets their just desserts. Justice is served. Don't reward degrading and demeaning behavior - punish it. (Unlike a cynical JBJ story, where everyone's a turd and justice is a fantasy.)

 

[lovecraft68]

I wouldn't go that far because, honestly, people ain't nice. People use and abuse violent and gut-twisting language. But there's the morality-play stratagem: the abusive person gets their just desserts. Justice is served. Don't reward degrading and demeaning behavior - punish it. (Unlike a cynical JBJ story, where everyone's a turd and justice is a fantasy.)

I agree I have written characters in saying things like "You fucking cunt" etc... but I did it for 2 reasons.

1-if you want to write realistically we can't be held in check by all of our personal stances and fact is there are men(mostly I am sure some women) who speak and act like that. So if a character is piece of shit then he will speak like one.

2-Most people do not like that type of language(unless it is some form of topping humiliation tactic and it really gets the bottom all wet hearing it) so by doing that you make them loathe the character and no matter what happens to them they are like "Yay"

The character I just described was a coke head who had beaten up his girlfriend and was coming back to do it again not knowing she had her boss with her waiting for him. In the end he finished with a broken arm, a broken hand(opposite arms of course) a busted up face and when the guy put a gun in his mouth ad pulled the trigger he shit himself(gun was unloaded) and I don;t think anyone reading it wanted to do anything but high five the guy who beat him.

There is room for demeaning language however and as I pointed out it is n a d/s top bottom type situation or even role playing. For instance my wife when in a certain mood likes me calling her a pig and a skank....but its a role play between a loving couple, its a game she knows I mean none of it.

The fascinating thing about sex is how everyone is wired so differently there are women who enjoy that language.

But again in certain context and when the story is simply two people who have pretty much just met and its that type of language it does annoy me and that is what happens in most of the stories here.

Especially aggravating when the characters seem "nice and respectful" but they get in bed and suddenly "YOu suck it you fucking whore" out of nowhere and the woman is fine with it. I had a 9 page story was reading and enjoying ruined by that.

 

[stevieraygovan]

I wouldn't go that far because, honestly, people ain't nice. People use and abuse violent and gut-twisting language. But there's the morality-play stratagem: the abusive person gets their just desserts. Justice is served. Don't reward degrading and demeaning behavior - punish it. (Unlike a cynical JBJ story, where everyone's a turd and justice is a fantasy.)

As a writer, however, I have the option to pick and choose. I simply have no desire to write about ugly, abusive people.

 

[Hypoxia]

As a writer, however, I have the option to pick and choose. I simply have no desire to write about ugly, abusive people.

Quite true. Authors rule. No one here can force you to do otherwise.

A parallel: A composer can pick and choose what musical materials they write. Or maybe they CAN be forced into certain constraints. Back in the Hollywood studio days, one studio mogul (might have been Louis B Mayer) didn't like a film screened for him. Didn't like the music. It made him sad. He asked about the music and was told it contained minor scales. He ordered: NO MORE MINOR KEYS! MAJOR SCALES ONLY! It took his people quite a while to convince him that movies needed contrasts in music and mood to be interesting.

I certainly don't GLORIFY "ugly, abusive people" in my writings. But they're part of the world we inhabit. Even when filled with sexual boasting or fantasies, I try to write fairly realistically (well, satirically too, at times). I try to inject some drama. And drama often requires less-than-nice people. Leaving them out of stories is something like writing film scores ONLY in major keys. Sure, it can be done. But the music will be a bit bland.