youngest mother in england

[Debbie]

Kids may seemingly grow up faster nowadays but most of them don't have the life skills they need or would have hadin the 18th century.

BINGO!!

Finally someone finally mentioned it.

This is the consequence of coddling them.

Kids before were exploited through work which when overdone was wrong but with moderation it taught them balance between learning life skills and childhood.

Today's kids are themselves dolls are ill prepared for life in general.[/QUOTE]

I disagree.

Throwing children into work during the 1700's was exploiting them.

Nowadays we spoil our children and try to do the best we can.

Times have changed.


I do think coddling them too much is a bad thing.
We need to find a healthy balance.

 

[Shaq]

BINGO!!

Finally someone finally mentioned it.

This is the consequence of coddling them.

Kids before were exploited through work which when overdone was wrong but with moderation it taught them balance between learning life skills and childhood.

Today's kids are themselves dolls are ill prepared for life in general.

I disagree.

Throwing children into work during the 1700's was exploiting them.

Nowadays we spoil our children and try to do the best we can.

Times have changed.


I do think coddling them too much is a bad thing.
We need to find a healthy balance.[/QUOTE]


Balance is what I said.

 

[zipman]

Well its sad when someone so old still has a need to get enjoyment out of being condescending instead of contributing his thoughts.

Grow up zipboy.

You want my thoughts? Okay.

I think you are utterly missing the boat when it comes to children, sex and lastly, the impact of child labor on developing children.

Simply saying "sex feels good" doesn't address the many problems that contibute to children having sex nor does the mistaken belief that child labor will teach them parenting skills add anything to the discussion.

You like to be argumentative but in all honesty your arguments show that you are far closer in debating skills to the children you are talking about rather than the adults you are discussing it with.

 

[Shaq]

You want my thoughts? Okay.

I think you are utterly missing the boat when it comes to children, sex and lastly, the impact of child labor on developing children.

Simply saying "sex feels good" doesn't address the many problems that contibute to children having sex nor does the mistaken belief that child labor will teach them parenting skills add anything to the discussion.

You like to be argumentative but in all honesty your arguments show that you are far closer in debating skills to the children you are talking about rather than the adults you are discussing it with.

And closing sentence fit for the O'Reily Factor!

Good for you!

And labor is synonymous with job which equates to responsibility and financial independence.

With the teen pregnancy discussion the first question asked is rarely physical health but "How will you afford to take care of this baby?" so labor has a valid place in the discussion.

And I wouldn't debate children. Just talk to them.

Which you all should do sometimes and maybe you won't have such a fragmented view of the people they are.

 

[Recidiva]

I disagree.

Throwing children into work during the 1700's was exploiting them.

Nowadays we spoil our children and try to do the best we can.

Times have changed.


I do think coddling them too much is a bad thing.
We need to find a healthy balance.

However, anyone at that age expected to give birth that young, saw it every day. It wasn't unusual. There was education everywhere. Women were taught to be mothers from birth.

Things have changed now because you're supposed to have a choice. And 11 is too early to make it when the education isn't available.

 

[Shaq]

You want my thoughts? Okay.

I didn't really want them.

I just wanted you to zip it but....

 

[Shaq]

However, anyone at that age expected to give birth that young, saw it every day. It wasn't unusual. There was education everywhere. Women were taught to be mothers from birth.

Things have changed now because you're supposed to have a choice. And 11 is too early to make it when the education isn't available.

She had a choice at 11 and made it.

 

[Recidiva]

She had a choice at 11 and made it.

You're certain she received prenatal care, options and the responsible adults (still legally responsible for her) gave her those educated choices?

Really?

She wasn't coerced, taken advantage of, denied, neglected or abused in any way.

She didn't even go to a hospital.

This is a choice?

 

[Debbie]

However, anyone at that age expected to give birth that young, saw it every day. It wasn't unusual. There was education everywhere. Women were taught to be mothers from birth.

Things have changed now because you're supposed to have a choice. And 11 is too early to make it when the education isn't available.

Exactly.

Things have changed since way back then.

 

[Cheyenne]

I like the way you think but... In the early 1700's and 1800's, 13 was the age of childbearing.

Of course, the death rate during childbearing was quite a bit higher back then, too.

 

[Shaq]

You're certain she received prenatal care, options and the responsible adults (still legally responsible for her) gave her those educated choices?

Really?

She wasn't coerced, taken advantage of, denied, neglected or abused in any way.

She didn't even go to a hospital.

This is a choice?

Illinformed or not it is a choice. She's an 11 year old that may have a very tough time in front of her but she definetly had a choice.

 

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[Shaq]

Who the hell wants to sleep with an 11 yr old for goodness sakes?

11 year olds want to sleep with them a lot of middle age men

 

[Recidiva]

Illinformed or not it is a choice. She's an 11 year old that may have a very tough time in front of her but she definetly had a choice.

What choice, exactly. To have sex? To bear a child?

Sounds like your idea of fair choice is "Well, you were born someone's prey, that's your choice. To be born. The lion's there, he gets to eat you."

Had she recieved any level of care, she wouldn't have given birth alone in her bathroom.

What she got was neglect. And that may not be her fault, but my main concern now would be for the infant and removing it from that house.

 

[Shaq]

What choice, exactly. To have sex? To bear a child?

Sounds like your idea of fair choice is "Well, you were born someone's prey, that's your choice. To be born. The lion's there, he gets to eat you."

Had she recieved any level of care, she wouldn't have given birth alone in her bathroom.

What she got was neglect. And that may not be her fault, but my main concern now would be for the infant and removing it from that house.

Taking her child?

It's her child.

Most teens or young adults who have sex might not be able to fully fathom the consequences but they make a choice.

If she was drunk and raped that's different but young or not they do have brains.

 

[huskie]

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i'm just stunned!
she was having sex at eleven years old, had a baby at twelve.

who is to blame?
more importantly, what can society do to prevent things like this from happening?

years ago.... like 15 years ago I think... I new a Paramedic who helped and 12 yr deliver a child...

My great grand mother and Aunt both started having babies at 15... both where married too...

But this having sex at 11 or 12 is nuts??

 

[Debbie]

11 year olds want to sleep with them a lot of middle age men

I'm guessing you were high, drunk or stupid when you posted since your quoted post makes no sense whatsoever.

 

[DéjàNu]

years ago.... like 15 years ago I think... I new a Paramedic who helped and 12 yr deliver a child...

My great grand mother and Aunt both started having babies at 15... both where married too...

But this having sex at 11 or 12 is nuts??

appently, Shaq trying to convince us that its not.

 

[zipman]

And closing sentence fit for the O'Reily Factor!

Good for you!

And labor is synonymous with job which equates to responsibility and financial independence.

With the teen pregnancy discussion the first question asked is rarely physical health but "How will you afford to take care of this baby?" so labor has a valid place in the discussion.

And I wouldn't debate children. Just talk to them.

Which you all should do sometimes and maybe you won't have such a fragmented view of the people they are.

So you think child labor means financial independence?

Bwahahahaha! You've got to be ignorant or ridiculously naive to believe that.

And I didn't say you should debate children, perhaps while you're talking to them you can get one of those 11 year olds to give you some reading comprehension tips.

What makes you think our view of people is fragmented? It seems you're the one looking at only one side of the issue.

Children at that age can't provide for their children nor are they likely to be able to parent them effectively as they are still children themselves.

 

[DéjàNu]

11 year olds want to sleep with them a lot of middle age men

ahhhhhhhhh so you are a middle age men?!?!

that explain a lot

 

[zipman]

Taking her child?

It's her child.

Most teens or young adults who have sex might not be able to fully fathom the consequences but they make a choice.

If she was drunk and raped that's different but young or not they do have brains.

Well, legally anyone under the age of 18 isn't considered old enough to enter into a contract (which is another type of choice) without parental consent.

They have brains but not the ability to make important decisions for themselves which is why the law gives that responsibility to their parents.

 

[Recidiva]

Taking her child?

It's her child.

Most teens or young adults who have sex might not be able to fully fathom the consequences but they make a choice.

If she was drunk and raped that's different but young or not they do have brains.

And since "nobody knows" any of the facts about this girl, you're going to assume only the right things happened?

Maybe it makes a difference to have had a child in your care. Have you ever cared for an infant for more than a week? Had an infant completely reliant on you for a long period of time?

 

[bptalt]

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i'm just stunned!
she was having sex at eleven years old, had a baby at twelve.

who is to blame?
more importantly, what can society do to prevent things like this from happening?

I blame her parents mostly. If she was having sex with a 13 year old then they are both kids and there is not much one can do. If she was having sex with an adult then they should nail him.

Society can do nothing, but the parents of the girl may have been able to. The is not enough information based on your post to really tell.

 

[Shaq]

So you think child labor means financial independence?

Bwahahahaha! You've got to be ignorant or ridiculously naive to believe that.

And I didn't say you should debate children, perhaps while you're talking to them you can get one of those 11 year olds to give you some reading comprehension tips.

What makes you think our view of people is fragmented? It seems you're the one looking at only one side of the issue.

Children at that age can't provide for their children nor are they likely to be able to parent them effectively as they are still children themselves.

Again with the insults and purposely misrepresenting the other side.

I'm saying that children are coddled to the point of being inept. In the past they were overexploited.

There must be a balance. Work represents responsibility. Children need to be taught how to be responsible and need to be prepared to be adults.

That's why years ago a 14 year old having a baby was nothing because society allowed them to marry and work and support their child.

Children today need to be better educated not about sex but about being more responsible.

Zip, you dissapoint me. For a second I actually thought you were going to seriously contribute to this discussion. Instead you purposely contort the issues.

*shakes head*

Again, for someone so old you have very petty tendencies.

 

[Shaq]

I blame her parents mostly. If she was having sex with a 13 year old then they are both kids and there is not much one can do. If she was having sex with an adult then they should nail him.

Society can do nothing, but the parents of the girl may have been able to. The is not enough information based on your post to really tell.

Blame?


What's blame have to do with it?

These things happen. Parents can't be handcuffed to their children.