"You didn't build that" is Obama's precise belief.

[ksmybuttons]

If you confiscated the wealth of every millionaire in America, roughly 3 Trillion Dollars, you'd collect enough money to pay our budget deficit for 2 years. Its much easier to print $10,000 of paper money for every American, to get the same amount. And thats how the government does it.

Don't you remember the simple little money puzzle from grade school? Would you rather have a million dollars now or start with a penny and have your total doubled every day for thirty days?

No one is proposing we take all of everyone's money. The government gets more when they take a small percentage every year. The hope is that someone's earning potential grows and the government gets more money then the previous year.

With raises flat, high unemployment, underemployment and the continued increase in product, the government doesn't get more like they anticipate but they continue to spend more.

The four top subsidized industries are financial, utilities, tele-communications, and oil, gas & pipelines. 56%. The top subsidized crops are corn, cotton, rice, wheat and soybeans. "Those payments go out, regardless of need, and they mostly fail to help the nation’s real working farm and ranch families. In fact, since 1995, just 10 percent of subsidized farms – the largest and wealthiest operations – have raked in 74 percent of all subsidy payments. 62 percent of farms in the United States did not collect subsidy payments, according to the U.S. Department of Agriculture."

It's how we (the government)spends our money. The wealthy get more, if you are a wage slave, you don't get breaks.

Those "with" forget they lose if the wage slaves don't buy their products and they have to be paid a decent wage in order to do that. Mortgage, a decent car and a nice vacation a year and enough money to save for retirement, medical benefits and our children's college educations.

Keep us masses happy and we'll stay off your backs.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Don't you remember the simple little money puzzle from grade school? Would you rather have a million dollars now or start with a penny and have your total doubled every day for thirty days?

No one is proposing we take all of everyone's money. The government gets more when they take a small percentage every year. The hope is that someone's earning potential grows and the government gets more money then the previous year.

With raises flat, high unemployment, underemployment and the continued increase in product, the government doesn't get more like they anticipate but they continue to spend more.

The four top subsidized industries are financial, utilities, tele-communications, and oil, gas & pipelines. 56%. The top subsidized crops are corn, cotton, rice, wheat and soybeans. "Those payments go out, regardless of need, and they mostly fail to help the nation’s real working farm and ranch families. In fact, since 1995, just 10 percent of subsidized farms – the largest and wealthiest operations – have raked in 74 percent of all subsidy payments. 62 percent of farms in the United States did not collect subsidy payments, according to the U.S. Department of Agriculture."

It's how we (the government)spends our money. The wealthy get more, if you are a wage slave, you don't get breaks.

Those "with" forget they lose if the wage slaves don't buy their products and they have to be paid a decent wage in order to do that. Mortgage, a decent car and a nice vacation a year and enough money to save for retirement, medical benefits and our children's college educations.

Keep us masses happy and we'll stay off your backs.

What you dont see is how the government is a prisoner of the elites. The government prints money, loans it to the elites, and the elites buy your stocks, gold, and property...and here's the funny part....you got to pay the money back when they default.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

I posted the trail. Your final post included a quote of a post of mine, and you bolded text to show that I brought the issue of business into the conversation:
Quote:
"Therefore, Government can tax our success because, after ll, we should be grateful to the government for making our success possible."
End Quote.


Okay, so I reread the trail, and nowhere did I state "business." I stated that the government can tax our success because they feel we owe our success to them. "Success" was used in the general sense. There are plenty of people that are successful (and earn a lot of money) that are not business owners.

So it would appear to me that your comment was off-topic.

EDIT - corrected typo

Ok. If that's the case government doesn't charge for success. They charge for use.

 

[Bad_Doggie]

But setting the record straight, I did too build that. And for those things already in place before my time, my father, and his father before him built it.

etc etc
Ishmael

And lots of other fathers and mothers for that matter.

What your long, self-servicing, post is describing is society.

Where society is defined as: A group of humans broadly distinguished from other groups by mutual interests, participation in characteristic relationships, shared institutions, and a common culture.

And where government is defined as: The act or process of governing, especially the control and administration of public policy of that society; in that it is “of the people, for the people.” For the whole of that society, rather than by a small clique of people who become very rich by having undue and non-representative influence over that government.

Society is a living constant in the relationships between individuals in a state; government is a transient leadership of that society.

So it seems to me when he says "You didn't build that" he is reminding some sections of your society that the infrastructure that has enabled them to develop their entrepreneurial flair was built by the society for the society and NOT for the personal exploitation of certain individuals who then move the benefits derived from living in that society off shore or operate in a way to benefit themselves to the detriment of the rest of that society.

What chance, do you think, of Somalia producing the next Steve Jobs?

Woof!

 

[Loring2]

Cain's bigger problem was Republicans demeaning him. And he lacked awareness of basic concepts of... well, most things.

Yes, you're right, very similar to you.

 

[Loring2]

Businesses don't pay taxes.

Sarge, businesses do indeed pay taxes despite what you say or think. Example as follows, the business is a corporation and I am its sole stock holder. The corporation pays me a salary since I am an employee of the corporation and all expenses are paid by the corporation and all profits accrue to the corporation.
At the end of the tax year the corporation (business) pays taxes on these profits. I do not.

 

[Loring2]

Should a venture capitalist take credit for the faliure of a company they have invested money in?

Are you suggesting that the government is or should be a venture capitalist?

 

[Ishmael]

Sarge, businesses do indeed pay taxes despite what you say or think. Example as follows, the business is a corporation and I am its sole stock holder. The corporation pays me a salary since I am an employee of the corporation and all expenses are paid by the corporation and all profits accrue to the corporation.
At the end of the tax year the corporation (business) pays taxes on these profits. I do not.

Where did the money come from that constituted those profits?

Bottom line is that he's right, companies do NOT pay taxes. They collect money from their customers that are then, in one proportion or another, passed on to the government. Any company that does NOT take taxes into consideration in their pricing strategy will soon find themselves out of business, if not in court.

Only individuals pay taxes, in a myriad of ways. And those that believe that companies pay taxes have fallen victim to the government sleight of hand. Every penny that any company pays to the government came right out of the wallet of anyone that did business with them, directly or indirectly.

Companies get to determine what their profit is, the government decides what the individuals 'profit' is. What you pay in income tax is the tax that the government decided is the profit on your labor.

There is no magic here, nothing far too complicated. If your doctor did NOT get the money from you to pay his taxes, just where do you think he did get it from? (And while you may accuse me of blending the line between individual and company, I can readily assure you that your doctor has an LLC, PA, or a corporation that shelters him/her in oh so many ways.)

Ishmael

 

[Obama_2012]

Are you serious?

 

[Ishmael]

Are you serious?

Just as serious as you are stupid.

Ishmael

 

[coachdb18]

Obama is a narcissistic fool...

 

[coachdb18]

Just as serious as you are stupid.

Ishmael

It's just the usual Literotica Liberal PC approved spam ... illegal for conservatives only

 

[Ishmael]

It's just the usual Literotica Liberal PC approved spam ... illegal for conservatives only

Defect and deny, par for the course.

Just answer the question Sparky, "Where does your doctor/grocer/gas station/Apple/massage parlor/bar/MicroSoft get the money they pay their taxes with"?

A question so simple I bet even you can answer.

Ishmael

 

[ksmybuttons]

What you dont see is how the government is a prisoner of the elites. The government prints money, loans it to the elites, and the elites buy your stocks, gold, and property...and here's the funny part....you got to pay the money back when they default.

I absolutely get it. Your post is the Republican Party. As part of the non-elite, the working class, I'm going to support the available party that comes closest to my own beliefs. That would be the Democrats and President Obama. Perfect? Not even close, but I believe we have the possibility of doing better.

Socioeconomic election? You bet.

 

[Ishmael]

I absolutely get it. Your post is the Republican Party. As part of the non-elite, the working class, I'm going to support the available party that comes closest to my own beliefs. That would be the Democrats and President Obama. Perfect? Not even close, but I believe we have the possibility of doing better.

Socioeconomic election? You bet.

1. No he doesn't post as the "Republican Party", and never has.

2. We get it, we got it long ago. You're a closet Communist who really doesn't care who pays for all the shit you want to give away, well, as long as it isn't you.

Nobody deserves 'free' anything. What they may receive should be part of giving from the soul, not as a result of confiscatory taxation. If you want to be charitable. do so with your own time and money. Lead by example, don't try to use the power of government to fund your personal charities and expect me to feel anything but contempt for you.

Ishmael

 

[phrodeau]

1. No he doesn't post as the "Republican Party", and never has.

2. We get it, we got it long ago. You're a closet Communist who really doesn't care who pays for all the shit you want to give away, well, as long as it isn't you.

Nobody deserves 'free' anything. What they may receive should be part of giving from the soul, not as a result of confiscatory taxation. If you want to be charitable. do so with your own time and money. Lead by example, don't try to use the power of government to fund your personal charities and expect me to feel anything but contempt for you.

Ishmael

Don't try to use the power of government to fund your personal vendettas and wage wars on your behalf, and expect me to feel anything but contempt for you.

 

[coachdb18]

Nobody deserves 'free' anything. What they may receive should be part of giving from the soul, not as a result of confiscatory taxation. If you want to be charitable. do so with your own time and money. Lead by example, don't try to use the power of government to fund your personal charities and expect me to feel anything but contempt for you.

Ishmael

Exactly. When it comes down to being robbed by the power government, of taking something from me by force, the robber should expect nothing but contempt, and a bullet should be his legitimate reward. He deserves nothing less.

 

[Liar]

Are you suggesting that the government is or should be a venture capitalist?

I suggest they are.

The government invests in society, which benefits businesses in said society. Sometimes the government invests directly in businesses, it's dividends counted in increased economic activity and long term tax revenues. What else was famous bad investment Solyndra if not a venture bet gone wrong?

Anyway, your question is irrelevant. You argued that if government takes credit for helping successful businessess along, they should take the blame for non-sucessful ones. Right? Should that or should that not be true for others that are in the business of helping businesses along, such as venture capitalists and investment banks?

Edit: my mistake, it was PSW, not you.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Wrong analogy, LIAR.

Government confiscates money from citizens to use to create commonwealth. Cops are commonwealth, fire-rescue is commonwealth, parks are commonwealth, roads and bridges are commonwealth. The military is commonwealth.

Solyndra isnt commonwealth. GM isnt commonwealth. AIG isnt commonwealth.

The general and universal conditions of commonwealth are: No concessionaire exists to manage and operate the specific and necessary enterprise the citizens want. This condition has always been the impulse for commonwealth. The 2nd condition is, the government has eminent domain over commonwealth, that is, no individual has a fee simple right to create policies of commonwealth. Private contractors can manage jails and libraries and ferries and garbage collection, but they cant create policies that alter the nature or purpose of their contract.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Exactly. When it comes down to being robbed by the power government, of taking something from me by force, the robber should expect nothing but contempt, and a bullet should be his legitimate reward. He deserves nothing less.

The government takes your money because you are weak. You're not man enough to resist. All those thousands of rounds in your pretty little arsenal and you meekly submit to the tax man: "Thank you sir, may I have another?"

But hey, you feel like a man when you post here!

Someday, you're gonna show them!

Someday.

 

[mark_j]

The government takes your money because you are weak. You're not man enough to resist. All those thousands of rounds in your pretty little arsenal and you meekly submit to the tax man: "Thank you sir, may I have another?"

But hey, you feel like a man when you post here!

Someday, you're gonna show them!

Someday.

Thus sayeth the man who rolls over and takes it up the ass like the rest of the sheeple.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Thus sayeth the man who rolls over and takes it up the ass like the rest of the sheeple.

Please leave me out of your homoerotic fantasies.

 

[mercury14]

Exactly. When it comes down to being robbed by the power government, of taking something from me by force, the robber should expect nothing but contempt, and a bullet should be his legitimate reward. He deserves nothing less.

How come folks who wave around the Constitution are always the same ones that call taxation robbery?

 

[RobDownSouth]

How come folks who wave around the Constitution are always the same ones that call taxation robbery?

They're victims....VICTIMS, DAMMIT!

 

[The_Trouvere]

How come folks who wave around the Constitution are always the same ones that call taxation robbery?

And while expressing their hatred of the government they beat their chests and roar about how patriotic they are.