You can......

[oggbashan]

I've already studied Wicksteed...

For every one of me, there are 100 Social Justice Warriors
who just want to control government for the good of the one of me.

But criticising the UK for being 'socialist' when we have a much smaller and reducing government than in the US is counterproductive.

What you should appreciate is that a few things are best done by a federal or state government but that too many things are done by them that do not need to be.

My local city authority (think much smaller area but more population than a typical US county) is working with neighbouring authorities to share staff overseeing provision of some services. That has led to reduced staff and less cost. One service didn't work well, so after a year, they pulled the cooperation and reverted to doing it themselves. Most cooperation is working well. If that changes, they will try a new version. It means that local government staff is reducing.

 

[HisArpy]

That is a straight out lie.

South Korea and Taiwan were far better prepared than the US was.

The US may have the capacity to respond effectively but there is little evidence that their current response is adequate, timely or coordinated.

Too many Americans have been and are complacent about what is coming. They seem to think their personal freedoms trump the need to protect themselves and others.

I am seriously worried about what will happen in the US in the next few weeks. Statements like yours minimise what is needed and is not yet in place.

Most prepared is BULLSHIT.

PS. In the UK we are suffering because we weren't 'better prepared' but we might have been better prepared than the US. In the ratings of 'better prepared' we are well down the list and struggling to catch up.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/us...r-pandemics-johns-hopkins-study-found-in-2019

https://nypost.com/2020/03/25/2019-study-found-us-best-prepared-country-to-handle-a-pandemic/

https://ceoworld.biz/2020/01/30/whi...an-epidemic-or-pandemic-like-the-coronavirus/

 

[oggbashan]

The John Hopkins study was the health service of the US assessing its own.

The data available to them from other countries was fragmentary and like many government pronouncements throughout the world was a load of bulldust.

South Korea, Taiwan and Japan proved that the John Hopkins study was flawed.

 

[VaticanAssassin]

The John Hopkins study was the health service of the US assessing its own.

The data available to them from other countries was fragmentary and like many government pronouncements throughout the world was a load of bulldust.

South Korea, Taiwan and Japan proved that the John Hopkins study was flawed.

Being able to limit contagion through geographic location, small populations, population density/spread, and limited international access points is very very different from being prepared.

one is having the beans and bullets to fight

the other is avoiding the fight all together.

 

[oggbashan]

OK. You believe it.

I don't.

We just differ, but I am afraid the US's 'preparedness' is not going to stop a significant death toll that might have been much lower if the preparations were real and not just a study showing how marvellous you are.

 

[Comshaw]

"Deaths by country" does not equal death "rate." It is also a stupid metric given the variance in populations.

That doesn't equal even death per capita, much less a death rate, something no one knows because it is unknowable without knowing the number infected.

Hmmm.....

death
[ deth ]
noun
the act of dying; the end of life; the total and permanent cessation of all the vital functions of an organism.

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/death

rate 1 (rāt)
n.
1. A quantity measured with respect to another measured quantity:

https://www.thefreedictionary.com/rate

So if we are comparing the deaths in our country from Corvid-19 to the deaths in other countries, it is by definition a death rate comparison.

And if it is a "stupid metric" perhaps you have one that is better? If you do you can chime in anytime with it.

Logical thinking and education is your friend.


Comshaw

 

[VaticanAssassin]

Hmmm.....

death
[ deth ]
noun
the act of dying; the end of life; the total and permanent cessation of all the vital functions of an organism.

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/death

rate 1 (rāt)
n.
1. A quantity measured with respect to another measured quantity:

https://www.thefreedictionary.com/rate

So if we are comparing the deaths in our country from Corvid-19 to the deaths in other countries, it is by definition a death rate comparison.

And if it is a "stupid metric" perhaps you have one that is better? If you do you can chime in anytime with it.

Logical thinking and education is your friend.


Comshaw

no. no it is not. Not if you are comparing raw numbers.

words are hard. I get it.

death rate
/ˈdeTH ˈˌrāt/
noun
the ratio of deaths to the population of a particular area or during a particular period of time, usually calculated as the number of deaths per one thousand people per year.

 

[Comshaw]

no. no it is not. Not if you are comparing raw numbers.

words are hard. I get it.

death rate
/ˈdeTH ˈˌrāt/
noun
the ratio of deaths to the population of a particular area or during a particular period of time, usually calculated as the number of deaths per one thousand people per year.

I'm sorry but you are wrong. We aren't comparing the deaths per capita of a population attributable to all causes, but a specific number of deaths attributable to a specific cause. If you wanted to compare the number of deaths from motorcycle accidents country to country to determine how many deaths are from motorcycle accidents or for what things impact the numbers in each country, you wouldn't count all deaths, or even motorcycle deaths per 100,000 population. To do so is rather futile because you dilute the result to a point where it's useless.

Added: The meaningful metric here is the number of cases diagnosed to the number of deaths.


Comshaw

 

[oggbashan]

...
Added: The meaningful metric here is the number of cases diagnosed to the number of deaths.


Comshaw

But even that is skewed by a country's ability to test. If you only test those that have obvious symptoms the death rate ratio to diagnosed cases will be higher. If you can and do test those that have no symptoms you might find many more diagnosed cases and the ratio for deaths would be lower.

The UK is way behind the curve on testing so our ratio of deaths to people diagnosed with Covid-19 is higher because of the unknown reality of Covid-19 cases in the population.

 

[sygn]

no. no it is not. Not if you are comparing raw numbers.

words are hard. I get it.

death rate
/ˈdeTH ˈˌrāt/
noun
the ratio of deaths to the population of a particular area or during a particular period of time, usually calculated as the number of deaths per one thousand people per year.

Another important issue they're talking about, is that the virus is highly infectious.
--Which, in the absence of rigurous preventive measures, could lead to far more deaths than ebola or the flu.

Also, did or could this new virus potentially mutate towards more severe strains?
--This NY doctor was wondering about this, she'd seen the virus behave at odds with what's been initially described: young people without comorbities becoming severely ill or die.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtvNc9vhx94&t=101s

 

[nowisthetime]

Stick to porn threads, please.

 

[Conager]

Another important issue they're talking about, is that the virus is highly infectious.
--Which, in the absence of rigurous preventive measures, could lead to far more deaths than ebola or the flu.

Also, did or could this new virus potentially mutate towards more severe strains?
--This NY doctor was wondering about this, she'd seen the virus behave at odds with what's been initially described: young people without comorbities becoming severely ill or die.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtvNc9vhx94&t=101s

Not all hosts are equal. Not all populations have the same risk factors. There could be environmental, cultural, diet, or genetic differences between host populations.

Last I heard the virus has mutated relatively slowly compared to other similar viruses. If true, this is a very good thing both for the use antibody treatments and for developing a vaccine.