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[VaticanAssassin]

You can bitch and whine that we should have nationalized health care.

Or you can bitch and wine about us not having enough beds/ventilators/masks/health care workers.

But you can not bitch about both.


Because that fact is we are the most prepared country in the world ( it’s not even close) and it is because we do have a private healthcare system. If you argue for nationalized healthcare you are also arguing for reducing our ability to respond to pandemics dramatically.

 

[Hugh_Essay]

You can bitch and whine that we should have nationalized health care.

Or you can bitch and wine about us not having enough beds/ventilators/masks/health care workers.

But you can not bitch about both.


Because that fact is we are the most prepared country in the world ( it’s not even close) and it is because we do have a private healthcare system. If you argue for nationalized healthcare you are also arguing for reducing our ability to respond to pandemics dramatically.

Lol, whatever you say, shit for brains.

 

[bellisarius]

They'll find a way, just watch.

 

[Fermina_Daza]

You can bitch and whine that we should have nationalized health care.

Or you can bitch and wine about us not having enough beds/ventilators/masks/health care workers.

But you can not bitch about both.


Because that fact is we are the most prepared country in the world ( it’s not even close) and it is because we do have a private healthcare system. If you argue for nationalized healthcare you are also arguing for reducing our ability to respond to pandemics dramatically.

Sounds like the title of my autobiography - if I survive the pandemic to write it.

 

[VaticanAssassin]

Sounds like the title of my autobiography - if I survive the pandemic to write it.

Mine would be bourbon bitching and bullets

 

[butters]

a country without a pandemic response unit

a country with a lapsed ventilator contract meaning delays on getting more

a country whose president downplayed the urgency and danger for months


yeah, so prepared


the countries best prepared for this disease were the ones who'd most recently tooled up to cope with SARS and MERS. they had equipment, policies, and resources in place

 

[bigsly]

a country without a pandemic response unit

a country with a lapsed ventilator contract meaning delays on getting more

a country whose president downplayed the urgency and danger for months


yeah, so prepared


the countries best prepared for this disease were the ones who'd most recently tooled up to cope with SARS and MERS. they had equipment, policies, and resources in place

^^ Socialist British national twatrot again degrading the country she'll intentionally lie through her rotting teeth under oath just to become a 2nd class citizen of.

 

[VaticanAssassin]

a country without a pandemic response unit

a country with a lapsed ventilator contract meaning delays on getting more

a country whose president downplayed the urgency and danger for months


yeah, so prepared


the countries best prepared for this disease were the ones who'd most recently tooled up to cope with SARS and MERS. they had equipment, policies, and resources in place

Bwhaaa!!! NY city has 4x more ventilators then all of U.K. and yes... London is bigger than NY city.

Everything you just said is a bullshit.

 

[Comshaw]

You can bitch and whine that we should have nationalized health care.

Or you can bitch and wine about us not having enough beds/ventilators/masks/health care workers.

But you can not bitch about both.


Because that fact is we are the most prepared country in the world ( it’s not even close) and it is because we do have a private healthcare system. If you argue for nationalized healthcare you are also arguing for reducing our ability to respond to pandemics dramatically.

Yea....if that were true, why do we have the 3rd highest death rate from it in the world?

April 2, 2020
Corvid-19 Death by Country
Italy-13,155
Spain-9,387
USA-5,112

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1093256/novel-coronavirus-2019ncov-deaths-worldwide-by-country/


Comshaw

 

[silver gurl]

Why are we (Quebec) sending supplies to Ohio?

 

[Conager]

Yea....if that were true, why do we have the 3rd highest death rate from it in the world?

April 2, 2020
Corvid-19 Death by Country
Italy-13,155
Spain-9,387
USA-5,112

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1093256/novel-coronavirus-2019ncov-deaths-worldwide-by-country/


Comshaw

"Deaths by country" does not equal death "rate." It is also a stupid metric given the variance in populations.

That doesn't equal even death per capita, much less a death rate, something no one knows because it is unknowable without knowing the number infected.

 

[Conager]

Bwhaaa!!! NY city has 4x more ventilators then all of U.K. and yes... London is bigger than NY city.

Everything you just said is a bullshit.

She should probably go home for the duration, so that sweet, sweet nationalized healthcare can protect her.

 

[oggbashan]

...

Because that fact is we are the most prepared country in the world ( it’s not even close) ...

That is a straight out lie.

South Korea and Taiwan were far better prepared than the US was.

The US may have the capacity to respond effectively but there is little evidence that their current response is adequate, timely or coordinated.

Too many Americans have been and are complacent about what is coming. They seem to think their personal freedoms trump the need to protect themselves and others.

I am seriously worried about what will happen in the US in the next few weeks. Statements like yours minimise what is needed and is not yet in place.

Most prepared is BULLSHIT.

PS. In the UK we are suffering because we weren't 'better prepared' but we might have been better prepared than the US. In the ratings of 'better prepared' we are well down the list and struggling to catch up.

 

[dolf]

Proof of the pudding, and all that jazz.

Look to the final coffin count before you decide who "won".

 

[dolf]

Per capita. Obviously.

 

[oggbashan]

Proof of the pudding, and all that jazz.

Look to the final coffin count before you decide who "won".

No one wins. Every death is a death too many.

 

[bellisarius]

That is a straight out lie.

South Korea and Taiwan were far better prepared than the US was.

The US may have the capacity to respond effectively but there is little evidence that their current response is adequate, timely or coordinated.

Too many Americans have been and are complacent about what is coming. They seem to think their personal freedoms trump the need to protect themselves and others.

I am seriously worried about what will happen in the US in the next few weeks. Statements like yours minimise what is needed and is not yet in place.

Most prepared is BULLSHIT.

PS. In the UK we are suffering because we weren't 'better prepared' but we might have been better prepared than the US. In the ratings of 'better prepared' we are well down the list and struggling to catch up.

You might say that Japan was better prepared as well. But you are not talking about preparation as much as you are talking about the ability of the National government to impose it's will on a nation.

Short of declaring martial law (which would surely get him impeached....again) a president has little power to impose the federal governments will on any state or community. Those powers are constitutionally left in the hands of the various governors and local leaders. The obvious flaw in that sort of system is that there is going to be no apparent coordinated response. And short of major changes in the constitution will there ever be. The strength in that sort of system is that various responses will be tried and those that work the best will stand out.

Re. deaths. The fewer the better, obviously. But a great deal of that is going to be predicated on the various states and communities response and to an even greater extent on demographics and demographics is the one thing that no policy can change.

Regarding preparation. In spite of all of the crying, gnashing of teeth, and hand wringing going on in the press there is no shortage of ventilators. Hell, they aren't even using all of those that are available. We are facing a short term shortage of face masks, emphasis on "short term." But on that score even bandana's and baklava's can be effective.

The response time for effective tests is nothing short of phenomenal and vaccine(s) are already in clinical tests. The issue with the vaccines are going to be approval, production, and deployment. Approval we have limited control of and deployment is completely driven by the production methodology and time required to package the vaccine.

Further, we are also developing Igg serum tests that will allow to find out who has been infected but has recovered and is presumably now immune.

By far the largest problem is public expectations. We, and to a great extent the rest of the developed world, are a society that expects "instant gratification" and in this case there is none all of which contributes to public frustration and angst.

 

[oggbashan]

As I said above, the US has the capacity to respond effectively.

OK, the US constitution limits the power of federal institutions but if the pandemic unit had been in place they could have advised the various state authorities on a recommended course of action, or even have worked out with each state what needed to be available where if a pandemic came. Each state could have had its own emergency plan for a pandemic and an idea of how neighbouring states intended to respond. Perhaps after this crisis that might happen.

Lack of coordination may well make the situation worse than it needs to be. To a lesser extent we have that in the UK with devolved powers on health in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland all doing their own thing.

 

[bellisarius]

As I said above, the US has the capacity to respond effectively.

OK, the US constitution limits the power of federal institutions but if the pandemic unit had been in place they could have advised the various state authorities on a recommended course of action.

Lack of coordination may well make the situation worse than it needs to be. To a lesser extent we have that in the UK with devolved powers on health in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland all doing their own thing.

You bought into a media create myth re. the pandemic unit. Yes, the unit within the National Security Council was dissolved but many of the people that were part of that unit are still there. The Federal governments response has been well coordinated but the media has focused on the lack of coordination within the states and the reason for that has already been covered.

 

[Adre]

It must really get under the RWCJ’s skin that California, and San Francisco in particular, have responded to this event so perfectly under the direction of Gavin Newsom. Literally a model for the nation.

 

[Adre]

You bought into a media create myth re. the pandemic unit. Yes, the unit within the National Security Council was dissolved but many of the people that were part of that unit are still there. The Federal governments response has been well coordinated but the media has focused on the lack of coordination within the states and the reason for that has already been covered.

What’s your source for that statement?

 

[silver gurl]

"Brian Kemp, the governor of Georgia, admitted on Wednesday that he had only just learned that asymptomatic individuals can still spread coronavirus — even though health experts had warned about the possibility as early as January.

Kemp, in a news conference Wednesday said the fact that he’d just learned that information contributed to him issuing a statewide shelter-in-place order.

Kemp, said that he had, in just the last 24 hours, learned “that this virus is now transmitting before people see signs.”

I guess we could say he was living under a rock? How could you not know this?

No, the States is not prepared. Not at all.

 

[oggbashan]

You bought into a media create myth re. the pandemic unit. Yes, the unit within the National Security Council was dissolved but many of the people that were part of that unit are still there. The Federal governments response has been well coordinated but the media has focused on the lack of coordination within the states and the reason for that has already been covered.

Emergency planning seems almost everywhere to be a low priority. I have been involved in updating/revising/instituting an emergency plan for three major organisations. My first experience was in few weeks of starting my first career just before the Cuban Missile crisis. The plan even had a role for me as the most junior officer. I was considered expendable and was given the role of watching for the bombs to fall, to record where they fell and their apparent yield. The flaw in that is that any bomb within 100 miles was likely to be aimed at my head. So they told me to keep talking down a telephone line to my superiors deep underground. When I stopped talking they knew I was dead...

Each plan was years out of date or non-existent. As with most they tend to concentrate on what the last emergency had been or the most likely scenario. California probably had a better plan for a major earthquake than a pandemic; New York for another 9/11.

 

[VaticanAssassin]

That is a straight out lie.

South Korea and Taiwan were far better prepared than the US was.

The US may have the capacity to respond effectively but there is little evidence that their current response is adequate, timely or coordinated.

Too many Americans have been and are complacent about what is coming. They seem to think their personal freedoms trump the need to protect themselves and others.

I am seriously worried about what will happen in the US in the next few weeks. Statements like yours minimise what is needed and is not yet in place.

Most prepared is BULLSHIT.

PS. In the UK we are suffering because we weren't 'better prepared' but we might have been better prepared than the US. In the ratings of 'better prepared' we are well down the list and struggling to catch up.

You can argue the political response or the citizens response but in terms of Dr’s, Nurses, Beds, Equipment, technology, .... my statement stands and is 100% accurate.

 

[VaticanAssassin]

And got god sakes people. Stop spreading that lie.

The unit was simply consolidated in to another. It was not disbanded.