Yale suspends Bush's Fraternity

[sr71plt]

It's my fucking thread, I'll rant all I want, I'm letting you whine, and drivel, and rationalize aren't I?

Umm, no. The whine, drivel, and rationalize is yourself you're listening too. You're the one who is playing Chinese fire drill with why you connected these two concepts to post to the author's area of a erotica writer's Web site--especially since you aren't an erotica author. Just showing your impotence in not being able to play on a forum that's relevant to your rant.

It wouldn't be your thread on this area of the forum, by the way, if the Web site owners were consistent in their application. They move other nonauthor irrelevant threads to the GB. Guess those guys are too smart for you to keep up with, heh?

 

[PennLady]

Lovecraft, what the heck are you smoking?

You see two people minding their own business at a gas station, you haven't a clue as to their situation, yet you decide how both of them should be acting?

You invaded their personal space, shouted your opinion at the boy and flirted with the girl. What a display of arrogant assholery. Who died and put you in charge?

You're lucky they didn't call the cops on you.

Yes. That's what I meant. You said it more succinctly.

 

[PennLady]

The point is that xssve can't rant anywhere else. If he could, he'd pick a more relevant place to do so.

True, true... I get too rational for my own good sometimes...

 

[PennLady]

Something is funky in Denmark, admit it.

I never said it wasn't.

 

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[PennLady]

Thanks!

I appreciated your post defending fraternities.

Some people are assholes, some aren't. Rich, poor, greek or geek, it doesn't matter. And when people protest overly much about a particular group, their prejudices show.

Well, like I said, I had no real use for the frats or sororities, but that's just me. The individuals I met were fine on an individual basis, but I'm sure there were other individuals who were idiots. But yes, protesting so much just shows one's own biases.

 

[xssve]

I've had too many run ins with the fuckers, couple of them jumped my brother for no reason whatsoever, broke his arm, took off in their big fancy SUV, you can take your little whine about how prejudiced I am against sociopathic little punks and shove it straight up your asses, if an institution allows it members in good standing to act that way, they're all implicated. It isn't just random incidents, there's a pattern of behavior.

And from your attitudes, nothing's gonna change, I'm entitle to bitch about it, so stop being so fucking prejudiced because I think your little twit clubs for over-entitled social misfits have long since ceased to serve any useful purpose.

And no, I don't expect a bunch of snobs to lose any sleep over it, so make your little noises - you think you'll change my mind by telling me how unfair I'm being to you pampered assholes? Save it.

Oooh, you were in frat/sorority once, the high point of your life I'm sure. Lets all get on our knees and kiss your ass - get over yourself.

 

[xssve]

Umm, no. The whine, drivel, and rationalize is yourself you're listening too. You're the one who is playing Chinese fire drill with why you connected these two concepts to post to the author's area of a erotica writer's Web site--especially since you aren't an erotica author. Just showing your impotence in not being able to play on a forum that's relevant to your rant.

It wouldn't be your thread on this area of the forum, by the way, if the Web site owners were consistent in their application. They move other nonauthor irrelevant threads to the GB. Guess those guys are too smart for you to keep up with, heh?

This is the direction you wanted to go, still fuming about our last run in? Stalking me now? Petty, very petty, but I know how ya are, still just as vindictive, but no smarter, and you can't write for shit - I'm not saying that because I don't like you, I'm saying it because you can't write for shit.

You don't like it, go whine to the mods, pretty much turned into a pissing contest with morons anyway, no great loss.

So save it, you really want to get into a personal thing, you haven't posted anything on topic the entire thread, so I see no reason to reply to any further until you do.

 

[xssve]

#2: Obedience

Imagine that you've volunteered for an experiment, but when you show up at the lab you discover the researcher wants you to murder an innocent person. You protest, but the researcher firmly states, "The experiment requires that you do it." Would you acquiesce and kill the person?

When asked what they would do in such a situation, almost everyone replies that of course they would refuse to commit murder. But Stanley Milgram's famous obedience experiment, conducted at Yale University in the early 1960s, revealed that this optimistic belief is wrong. If the request is presented in the right way, almost all of us quite obediently become killers.

Milgram told subjects they were participating in an experiment to determine the effect of punishment on learning. One volunteer (who was, in reality, an actor in cahoots with Milgram) would attempt to memorize a series of word pairs. The other volunteer (the real subject) would read out the word pairs and give the learner an electric shock every time he got an answer wrong. The shocks would increase in intensity by fifteen volts with each wrong answer.

The experiment began. The learner started getting some wrong answers, and pretty soon the shocks had reached 120 volts. At this point the learner started crying out, "Hey, this really hurts." At 150 volts the learner screamed in pain and demanded to be let out. Confused, the volunteers turned around and asked the researcher what they should do. He always calmly replied, "The experiment requires that you continue."

Milgram had no interest in the effect of punishment on learning. What he really wanted to see was how long people would keep pressing the shock button before they refused to participate any further. Would they remain obedient to the authority of the researcher up to the point of killing someone?

To Milgram's surprise, even though volunteers could plainly hear the agonized cries of the learner echoing through the walls of the lab from the neighboring room, two-thirds of them continued to press the shock button all the way up to the end of scale, 450 volts, by which time the learner had fallen into an eerie silence, apparently dead. Milgram's subjects sweated and shook, and some laughed hysterically, but they kept pressing the button. Even more disturbingly, when volunteers could neither see nor hear feedback from the learner, compliance with the order to give ever greater shocks was almost 100%.

Milgram later commented, "I would say, on the basis of having observed a thousand people in the experiment and having my own intuition shaped and informed by these experiments, that if a system of death camps were set up in the United States of the sort we had seen in Nazi Germany, one would be able to find sufficient personnel for those camps in any medium-sized American town."

Or maybe just the next generation of traders and corporate managers.

CLO's - wait for it...

 

[JustaSCOUNDREL]

For ordering pledges to chant obscenities against women.

Enjoy.

So Pres. Bush was a member over 40 years ago and the frat did some stupid shit recently and some how it's President Bushes fault?

As young Mr. Gump said "Stupid is as stupid does. Maybe we need a new saying: Stupid is as STUPID posts.

 

[PennLady]

Oooh, you were in frat/sorority once, the high point of your life I'm sure. Lets all get on our knees and kiss your ass - get over yourself.

If you meant me, then: First, get over yourself. I've posted two or three times that I was NOT part of a sorority. I had no desire to be, on many levels. Nor did I have much dealings with any frat, aside from having a tutor who was a member of one. So get your facts straight.

For the rest of it -- never mind. You've totally, and perhaps willfully, misunderstood anything I've said.

I'm sorry for what happened to your brother, and can understand how that would sour your perception of frats (or any group that had done it). It would mine, too. And yes, any member of a frat who did something like that should be kicked out. I've never denied that bad things go on and there's corruption at various levels.

 

[sr71plt]

This is the direction you wanted to go.

I think you've posted enough here to fry yourself.

 

[xssve]

If you meant me, then: First, get over yourself. I've posted two or three times that I was NOT part of a sorority. I had no desire to be, on many levels. Nor did I have much dealings with any frat, aside from having a tutor who was a member of one. So get your facts straight.

For the rest of it -- never mind. You've totally, and perhaps willfully, misunderstood anything I've said.

I'm sorry for what happened to your brother, and can understand how that would sour your perception of frats (or any group that had done it). It would mine, too. And yes, any member of a frat who did something like that should be kicked out. I've never denied that bad things go on and there's corruption at various levels.

You're misunderstanding started this.

 

[xssve]

I think you've posted enough here to fry yourself.

You're the dipshit wanted to make it about Bush, and turn it into a little pissing contest based on that.

God I hate lying little bitches - how old are you?

 

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[lovecraft68]

This is the direction you wanted to go, still fuming about our last run in? Stalking me now? Petty, very petty, but I know how ya are, still just as vindictive, but no smarter, and you can't write for shit - I'm not saying that because I don't like you, I'm saying it because you can't write for shit.

You don't like it, go whine to the mods, pretty much turned into a pissing contest with morons anyway, no great loss.

So save it, you really want to get into a personal thing, you haven't posted anything on topic the entire thread, so I see no reason to reply to any further until you do.

You know I above all people here can understand where you are coming from and understand about past events leading to anger and bitterness and in some cases hatred. I had a foster sister who was raped by a kid who had lot of connections. He walked and I made it so he couldn't walk for quite some time and I landed in the clink for a few months.

Because of that i am of the opinion that the nonconsent rape and sexual trafficking stories should not be allowed that they are tasteless and promote the same degrading treatment of women that these frat punks exhibit.

Because that is my take I am reviled here. I am reviled because I hold to my ideal (right or wrong) and do not bow down and say well jeez free speech and well it's only fantasy and you can't lump people together etc...

Trust me when I tell you that you are dealing with a lot sympathizers here. Lemmings people who go along with authority and are afraid to question anything. The straight laced by the book people who grew up in decent homes and the worst thing that may have happened to them is a divorce or some financial woes-or the inevitable death of a loved one- bottom line it has never happened to them.

Shooting down the holy grail that is the Ivy league will just get you smacked down. Questioning and sticking up for anything will get you abused here.

These little darlings at Yale are not that far removed from that French prick in the other thread. These are the kind that would force a girl and think nothing of it. A lot of fraternities are just a group of kids hanging out having fun same as sororities. The ironic thing is the biggest asshole Frats are at the elite schools like Yale and Duke. The "best of the Best" breeding contempt for anyone else around them and thinking all should genuflect to them and sad fact is they do.

It is here in this thread. How dare you attack these good boys! How can you stereotype. Easily fucking try living life. try seeing the other side not what the press and media tell you go around these kids listen to them talk watch how they act watch how their parents act.

I said earlier these Frats are comprised of certain types based on certain criteria if one is racist they all will be. If one is a chauvinist they all are. Bush is not to blame for this incident but I have no doubt these are his personal beliefs. Fortunately for him the internet was not all over the place when he went there.

I'm rambling but what I am saying is straight shooters are not the welcome breed here. This is a live inside my happy little box crowd.

 

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[lovecraft68]

Nah, not particularly.

I do know that many are annoyed by your constant complaining about how Lit owners should remove the story categories you despise.

And just from this thread, from your inability to fathom a different point of view than your own jaded perspective, it's easy to see how you have difficulty with any discussion.

I'm not defending the actions of the assholes who lost their frat for five years due to their immense stupidity. No one is. We're just saying that most reasoning beings are able to separate the actions of a few from the rest of the group. That's all.

But now you can attack me at will. Whatevuh.

I think you are being very optimistic with the comment that most reasoning human beings can separate actions. By that comment I am taking it that you mean that if some people around you were doing something wrong and you know it you don't have to go along. In theory you are right.

In reality you are wrong. There are girls who will do anything to get into a sorority or a frat party (check out the site "college rules") humiliatiing and degrading themselves to be part of the in crowd. For some of these boys they are an abject failure if they don't get into Dad's frat. So when shit starts getting weird they don't say anything.

This generation more than any other has absolutely no identity and no will power they do what the person in front of them is doing. One alpha per hundreds of lemmings.

The experiment "X" posted about? that stuff happens to varying degrees everyday. How many horror stories have you heard where someone is raped or assaulted in full view of a crowd of people who just watch? There are people who film it and put it on you tube. There have been girls attacked by Frat boys and football players whose own fathers let it get smoothed over because they are alumni.

All I am saying here is that the privileged do what they feel, are held above reproach and get away with anything and it is about time they get called out on it. Maybe some parent who has their kid slated to go to Yale will say "stay away from these jerks"

Everyone is in an uproar about this guy from France. he abused this woman and literally thinks nothing of it (except he got caught) his country thinks nothing of it because it is their culture for people like him to do what they feel. The people of the US are in an uproar! Well we will show them that women aren't treated like that here. That people like him can;t get away with this!

really? Ben Roethlisberger (twice) Kobe Bryant, OJ Simpson. In the US if you can hit or throw a ball, sing or are on a really funny tv show (Mr. Sheen) you can and will do whatever you want.

I think it's crap that they get stuck up for. Oh leave these "poor" kids alone. Does anyone have a list of names of these kids? I am willing to go out on a limb that you have no scholarship kids here. That these are not everyday folk like us so to speak.

I will not "attack" you. I do not attack anyone I'll state my piece and if argued with will argue back but this is the net, it's a forum and a debate I think attack is too strong of a word for anything here unless of course you go to the GB.

All I am saying is that the knee jerk reaction is to always say "Don;t pick on them" To defend the type of person who would look down there noses at you and roll their eyes that they even had to look at you (unless you are hot of course then you would serve a purpose)

I would just like to see a spade called a spade once in awhile, The rich little bastards got shown to be the creeps they are big deal own up and move on.

 

[PennLady]

(Tune to Polly Wolly Doodle)

Nobody likes me, everybody hates me,
Guess I'll go eat worms,
Long, thin, slimy ones; Short, fat, juicy ones,
Itsy, bitsy, fuzzy wuzzy worms.

Down goes the first one, down goes the second one,
Oh how they wiggle and squirm.
Up comes the first one, up comes the second one,
Oh how they wiggle and squirm.

Hahahhhaa. thanks, I needed that.

I think I'm done here, as it appears everyone has staked out their positions and dug their trenches and won't move.

Besides, I have stories to write...

 

[PennLady]

Well, I thought I was done.

Because of that i am of the opinion that the nonconsent rape and sexual trafficking stories should not be allowed that they are tasteless and promote the same degrading treatment of women that these frat punks exhibit.

Because that is my take I am reviled here. I am reviled because I hold to my ideal (right or wrong) and do not bow down and say well jeez free speech and well it's only fantasy and you can't lump people together etc...

I do not revile you because of your stance, LC, and I'm sure others feel the same. You're perfectly welcome to feel that way, and to me, if you felt that strongly about it, you wouldn't even post here. (EroticStories.com, btw, does not permit such stories. Do you post there?)

The problem is that just because you think they are "tasteless" and promote awful behavior does not mean that they are, or that other people feel that way, or that other people will be so influenced as to mimic the behavior.

And then, you post stories about an incestuous sibling relationship, and incest is illegal. I think that's tasteless and icky -- does that mean Lit shouldn't allow it?

Trust me when I tell you that you are dealing with a lot sympathizers here. Lemmings people who go along with authority and are afraid to question anything. The straight laced by the book people who grew up in decent homes and the worst thing that may have happened to them is a divorce or some financial woes-or the inevitable death of a loved one- bottom line it has never happened to them.

Spare me, please. You know nothing about me, my family, how I grew up, or anything else.

I said earlier these Frats are comprised of certain types based on certain criteria if one is racist they all will be. If one is a chauvinist they all are. Bush is not to blame for this incident but I have no doubt these are his personal beliefs. Fortunately for him the internet was not all over the place when he went there.

I don't like Bush and even I think that's a ridiculous thing to say.

I'm rambling but what I am saying is straight shooters are not the welcome breed here. This is a live inside my happy little box crowd.

Ever think that just because you say you're a straight shooter, doesn't really mean you are?

 

[xssve]

Nah, not particularly.

I do know that many are annoyed by your constant complaining about how Lit owners should remove the story categories you despise.

And just from this thread, from your inability to fathom a different point of view than your own jaded perspective, it's easy to see how you have difficulty with any discussion.

I'm not defending the actions of the assholes who lost their frat for five years due to their immense stupidity. No one is. We're just saying that most reasoning beings are able to separate the actions of a few from the rest of the group. That's all.

But now you can attack me at will. Whatevuh.

Right, the whole argument is: you can't blame the whole frat for the actions of a few, some of them are "good".

It immediately raises the question: 'so where the fuck were all these "good ones" at'?

You're the one's whining 'cause everybody is "unfairly" holding he members of and organization responsible for the actions of that organization - WTF? You want to be honored for your membership, but don't want to take responsibility for the actions of those who represent you? Oh, that's a very admirable way to evade responsibility, you learn that in frat school? I'm just prejudiced? Don't recognize you're natural superiority 'cause you walked around with olive between your butt cheeks once?

It's bullshit, you don't like it do something the fuck about it, otherwise, if the fu shits, wear it, I got no honor to defend, if you do, you better find a better way of doing that.

I didn't even give much of a shit about it, just thought you might be interested to hear what your kids are learning in college, till I started hearing all this mealy mouthed equivocating - apparently it's all a lot of fuss about nothing, but you'll pardon me if I'm of the opinion you can all go straight to hell.

 

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[xssve]

Right, everybody hate you because you're beautiful.

Why are you hating on me then? I didn't do it, I'm all for the ERA, somebody else is blocking that legislation in committee, gee I wonder who?

You can hate on me all you want, hun, you all apparently think it's all some kind of popularity contest, ethics has nothing to do with it - you learn that in college too? What else did you major in besides ass kissing?

I just can't figure out why you're making excuses for 'em, must be some motivation.

 

[PennLady]

Right, everybody hate you because you're beautiful.

Why are you hating on me then? I didn't do it, I'm all for the ERA, somebody else is blocking that legislation in committee, gee I wonder who?

You can hate on me all you want, hun, you all apparently think it's all some kind of popularity contest, ethics has nothing to do with it - you learn that in college too? What else did you major in besides ass kissing?

I just can't figure out why you're making excuses for 'em, must be some motivation.

I am baffled by the incoherence here.

No one is making excuses for these idiots, even though you seem to think we are. All we are saying is that one group of people doing a bad thing does not mean every person in that group will do a bad thing or is a bad person. You, however, apparently think it does. Which is why saying anything else is useless.

 

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