Writing Male Characters

I think what is missing here is the separation of inner and outer lives.

It may appear easy to write a male character on the surface, because generally speaking, in most cultures, men do tend to be more reserved. The things they talk about tend to be less deep and more shallow.

However, if you were to actually describe your male character that way, you'd probably be insulting half the human race.

Men aren't more shallow, and they aren't less emotional. They're internalised.

For example, in the half-second between getting the question, "How was your day?" and responding with "It was alright", you can expect they could have quite easily had enough thoughts to fill a five thousand word essay. Half of which might have been spent examining what the expected response might be. They also might have also ignored the question, because it's just part of the daily ritual. However, there's little on the surface to tell you which. They might have spent a good long while cussing out their boss in their head. But it was all internal.

That's where the complexity comes from. The gruffer and more stereotypical a guy looks on the outside, the more you can guarantee that he's a thinker. The tradie who only laughs, drinks and ribs on people on the outside? He's a freaking Aristotle on the inside. Everything that happens throughout his day continues to impact him for most of the day because he spends most of his life inside his skull.

"Letting go" of an insult or an accident is hard - because his entire day is a conversation with himself. If something happens, it builds and builds. That's why it can come across as being pissy. You can't let go of a slight when you are in a constant state of reliving everything.

But... There's always exceptions. There are those that actually have no inner life despite being the same on the outside. How do you tell the difference? You don't. Most of the tough steretypes will never, ever, open up to another human being. Not unless they're forced to by circumstances, like a crisis.
 
Okay, because it will likely be a couple of months, here is a short excerpt. These two guys are friends and often co-conspirators. Real or fake?

I have to say fake, although to some extent that relies more on knowing more about the characters and exactly what's going on in the story. The reasons why it rings fake for me are:

1) It starts out with them seemingly spoiling for a fight. Men will shittalk each other, but not over serious stuff (which especially includes anything invovling their younger sisters), so they'd tread slightly more carefully.
2) The word 'female' is not used so often by men unless they are part of the incel community. It feels off. I'm not sure anyone uses 'moon time', but maybe it's regional?
3) Men are more likely to crack jokes when talking about a serious matter and downplay how serious it is. (you do this a bit)

This is my attempt at rewriting it - the occassionaly bit of UK tone might have slipped into it. For simplicity I've just done the actual dialogue.


Guy 1: “Hey, is everything okay? I thought you were going to find me yesterday, like you said, and then when I asked around no one had seen you.”

Guy 2: “You've come to check up on me?”

Guy 1: “I just wondered what was going on. I don’t mean to pry.”

Guy 2: “Fine. Fine Come in then. At least let’s have the door closed if we’re having this conversation.”

Guy 1: “So what’s happening?”

Guy 2: “Don’t take this the wrong way, but, your sister – I think there might be something wrong with her.”

Guy 1: “More than usual for a woman, you mean? What’s the problem?”

Guy 2: [The problem isn’t actually clear from the original version]

Guy 1: “You don’t think it’s got anything to do with that chick who was molesting you in the hall a few evenings ago. That could set her off.”

Guy 2: “Nah, this was before that happened. Anyway, I doubt she knows.”

Guy 1: “You probably just caught her at the wrong time of the month. No use worrying about it. Hunker down and wait for the air raid sirens to stop.”

Guy 2: “I am not worried. It is just confusing. Women saying ‘nothing’ can mean anything from you leaving the toilet seat up to you sleeping with their sisters. They assume you know what you’ve done and it’s not their place to tell you. If you’re not careful they get you confessing to shit they didn’t even know about.”

Guy 1: “Shall I try to find out?”

Guy 2: “Oh, God no. That’s just asking for trouble for both of us. You’re better off out of this.”

Guy 1: “Give it a week or two. It will pass. It’s PMT, I’m telling you. Anyway, are you in the tournament?”

Guy 2: “Of course. I could not sit out with all the talent that’s going to be attending. It would be rude. I take it you are too?”
 
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I have to say fake, although to some extent that relies more on knowing more about the characters and exactly what's going on in the story. The reasons why it rings fake for me are:

1) It starts out with them seemingly spoiling for a fight. Men will shittalk each other, but not over serious stuff (which especially includes anything invovling their younger sisters), so they'd tread slightly more carefully.
2) The word 'female' is not used so often by men unless they are part of the incel community. It feels off. I'm not sure anyone uses 'moon time', but maybe it's regional?
3) Men are more likely to crack jokes when talking about a serious matter and downplay how serious it is. (you do this a bit)

This is my attempt at rewriting it - the occassionaly bit of UK tone might have slipped into it. For simplicity I've just done the actual dialogue.


Guy 1: “Hey, is everything okay? I thought you were going to find me yesterday, like you said, and then when I asked around no one had seen you.”

Guy 2: “You've come to check up on me?”

Guy 1: “I just wondered what was going on. I don’t mean to pry.”

Guy 2: “Fine. Fine Come in then. At least let’s have the door closed if we’re having this conversation.”

Guy 1: “So what’s happening?”

Guy 2: “Don’t take this the wrong way, but, your sister – I think there might be something wrong with her.”

Guy 1: “More than usual for a woman, you mean? What’s the problem?”

Guy 2: [The problem isn’t actually clear from the original version]

Guy 1: “You don’t think it’s got anything to do with that chick who was molesting you in the hall a few evenings ago. That could set her off.”

Guy 2: “Nah, this was before that happened. Anyway, I doubt she knows.”

Guy 1: “You probably just caught her at the wrong time of the month. No use worrying about it. Hunker down and wait for the air raid sirens to stop.”

Guy 2: “I am not worried. It is just confusing. Women saying ‘nothing’ can mean anything from you leaving the toilet seat up to you sleeping with their sisters. They assume you know what you’ve done and it’s not their place to tell you. If you’re not careful they get you confessing to shit they didn’t even know about.”

Guy 1: “Shall I try to find out?”

Guy 2: “Oh, God no. That’s just asking for trouble for both of us. You’re better off out of this.”

Guy 1: “Give it a week or two. It will pass. It’s PMT, I’m telling you. Anyway, are you in the tournament?”

Guy 2: “Of course. I could not sit out with all the talent that’s going to be attending. It would be rude. I take it you are too?”
Thanks! It is a fantasy period piece, but i can use some of your insight.
 
I guess it just depends on the guys. I don't know many who use that kinda language, but I'm not sure if it's a difference in region and education. I know guys who would speak in that context, substituting Females for girl's or women, or half a dozen others. Also on how close they are. Many guys I know would beat my ass for referencing their SOs cycle like that.
Good insight. I will think about it Seriously in terms of their relationship. I have just heard guys refer to “the rag,” but come to think of it, usually in an insulting way. Thanks.
 
I think what is missing here is the separation of inner and outer lives.

It may appear easy to write a male character on the surface, because generally speaking, in most cultures, men do tend to be more reserved. The things they talk about tend to be less deep and more shallow.

However, if you were to actually describe your male character that way, you'd probably be insulting half the human race.

Men aren't more shallow, and they aren't less emotional. They're internalised.

For example, in the half-second between getting the question, "How was your day?" and responding with "It was alright", you can expect they could have quite easily had enough thoughts to fill a five thousand word essay. Half of which might have been spent examining what the expected response might be. They also might have also ignored the question, because it's just part of the daily ritual. However, there's little on the surface to tell you which. They might have spent a good long while cussing out their boss in their head. But it was all internal.

That's where the complexity comes from. The gruffer and more stereotypical a guy looks on the outside, the more you can guarantee that he's a thinker. The tradie who only laughs, drinks and ribs on people on the outside? He's a freaking Aristotle on the inside. Everything that happens throughout his day continues to impact him for most of the day because he spends most of his life inside his skull.

"Letting go" of an insult or an accident is hard - because his entire day is a conversation with himself. If something happens, it builds and builds. That's why it can come across as being pissy. You can't let go of a slight when you are in a constant state of reliving everything.

But... There's always exceptions. There are those that actually have no inner life despite being the same on the outside. How do you tell the difference? You don't. Most of the tough steretypes will never, ever, open up to another human being. Not unless they're forced to by circumstances, like a crisis.
Thanks! I somehow think you might not have revealed all that without the technology shield but I appreciate it enormously. 😁
 
Good insight. I will think about it Seriously in terms of their relationship. I have just heard guys refer to “the rag,” but come to think of it, usually in an insulting way. Thanks.
If I could suggest something. One of my dad's favorite movies of all time was Dazed and Confused. It's a bit dated, but the way that young guys interact with each other in the movie, wasn't too dissimilar from the way kids interacted when I was in school. I'm sure other authors here would probably think of some better examples to reference.
 
Real or fake?
Fake, definitely. You already lost me with the first guy going after the other who then rebuffs him with the "nursemaid" comment. Also the second guy's comment about "females" and "nothing" sounds completely unnatural, like an insertion by the author rather than the character speaking his mind.
 
If I could suggest something. One of my dad's favorite movies of all time was Dazed and Confused. It's a bit dated, but the way that young guys interact with each other in the movie, wasn't too dissimilar from the way kids interacted when I was in school. I'm sure other authors here would probably think of some better examples to reference.
They ARE young in this excerpt. I have 2 huge notebooks full, one for the stories and one for the background. They both mature over time.
 
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