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Judge rules SR women's fitness club must open to men
Body Central found in violation of state's anti-bias law after Santa Rosa man's complaint
By STEVE HART
THE PRESS DEMOCRAT
In a case that could have repercussions for single-sex fitness clubs, a Sonoma County judge has ordered a Santa Rosa women's health club to open its doors to men.
Judge Knoel Owen said Body Central must provide showers and lockers for men and stop advertising itself as a women-only health club.
He ruled in favor of the state Department of Fair Employment and Housing, which sued Body Central last year for allegedly violating California's anti-discrimination law.
The state agency filed the suit after Phillip Kottle of Santa Rosa complained he was denied membership at the downtown fitness center in 2003 because of his gender. On Wednesday, Kottle said Body Central allowed him to join the gym in January.
"As far as I know, I'm the only male," he said. "At least I'm the only one I've seen. Men don't know that it's open."
Kottle, who also filed a complaint against a Petaluma women's health club in 2003, said he views the case as a civil rights issue.
"I have a right to go there," he said.
Female patrons at Body Central let him know he wasn't welcome, Kottle said.
"The first month or so I had some nasty comments," he said. "I haven't been cursed at recently."
Kottle said he ignores the barbs because he likes Body Central's exercise facility.
"It's convenient and it's never crowded," he said. "The equipment is almost brand new."
Body Central owner Shannon Hartnett did not respond to several phone calls seeking comment.
Hartnett, a bodybuilder and former college track star, did not appear in Superior Court last week for a hearing in the case.
At the hearing, an attorney for the Department of Fair Employment and Housing told the judge that Body Central hadn't complied with a 2004 agreement to provide equal facilities for men.
Attorney Susan Saylor said Hartnett had continued to promote Body Central as a women-only health club and hadn't made provisions for men. Hartnett "failed to make accommodations for her male customers to shower and change after their workout," Saylor said in a declaration to the court.
Hartnett painted over signs on her Ross Street business that said "Making Women Stronger" and "Fitness For Women." But a state investigator said the "Fitness For Women" sign was not completely covered and is still visible.
In his own declaration, Kottle said Body Central employees called police Jan. 7 when he went to the club a second time and tried to become a member. Four days later, Hartnett phoned Kottle and said he would be allowed to join, according to court records.
Kottle said he bought a membership and now goes there four or five times a week. He said there are no showers for men, but Hartnett told him she'd made arrangements for him to shower at a coed gym a block away.
Kottle said he went to the nearby gym and was told he couldn't use its showers on a regular basis.
In his order, Owen said Body Central must make its facilities "open and welcoming to men, who will be granted the full privileges of membership."
The fitness club must provide showers for men by Dec. 31 and make alternate shower arrangements for them in the meantime.
Body Central must return for a hearing in December to determine whether it has complied with the court order. The business could be fined $50 for each day it is in violation of the ruling.
The state Supreme Court ruled in 1995 that private clubs operating as businesses can't discriminate based on sex, race or religion. But the law doesn't say how far women's health clubs must go to accommodate men.
Supporters of women's health clubs say they should be allowed to exclude males because many women don't feel comfortable exercising in front of men.
J. Wynn Herron, a Sonoma attorney who specializes in discrimination cases, said the Santa Rosa case doesn't establish legal precedent but it shows the state's determination to enforce the law.
Last year, the state settled a lawsuit accusing a Petaluma women's fitness center of discriminating against men. Elan Fitness agreed to let men have full access to the club's classes and facilities, with the exception of lockers and showers.
The Petaluma case also was prompted by a complaint from Kottle, who said he tried to join Elan Fitness in 2003. Kottle said club representatives told him men could use the club only one day a week, but they still had to pay for a full membership.
It's unclear how many health clubs in California exclude men.
Becky Frusher, spokeswoman for Curves International in Waco, Texas, said its franchises admit men in states that prohibit gender discrimination at health clubs.
Curves, which promotes itself as a fitness program for women, has 822 locations in California, she said.
"We tell our franchisees that they need to learn and comply with state and local laws," Frusher said. Some states allow women-only fitness clubs.
Curves formerly was called Curves for Women, but the company changed the name, Frusher said. She said the name change wasn't prompted by legal concerns.
"Everyone knows Curves is for women," she said.
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Monday, Jul 10, 2006 10:39A
Kottle has severe emotional disturbances from being raised by a father-less home with a dominating mother. That's my guess. He needs us women to "Kottle" him. What a perfect name he was given...whimp!
Sunday, Jul 09, 2006 12:30P
This is like in high school, where there is an asian club, an african american club and a latino club, but if there were to be a caucasian club, they'd be racist. Why does this guy need memberships ONLY at two all-female gyms when the rest are fine?
Sunday, Jul 09, 2006 08:02A
Oh my God, this is STILL being commented on?I just noticed it and had to check the posts.The guy's a joke!Lets all pitch in and buy him a home gym set for his garage so nobody will have to deal with him!
Saturday, Jul 08, 2006 12:36P
If someone has a problem with a gender specific club - dont go there! some people are addicted to drama and law suits - These same men probably want to be "girlscouts" when they gorw up.
Saturday, Jul 08, 2006 12:32P
SO what if some fitness clubs are for specific genders? Men and women have different bodies and different needs and maybe it is just easier and more cost efficient to target 1 gender.
Saturday, Jul 08, 2006 12:25P
it is too bad in a country that promotes freedom, women can't find a place to exercise with other women. It is also itneresting, this Kottle character. I wonder in the end if he paid out of his pocket or was he compensated for his fight?
Friday, Jul 07, 2006 08:50P
To the woman "supporting" the troublemaker Kottle below, where's your proof re Curves funneling $ into anti-abortion groups!? As a Curves member I've NEVER heard that. You're pathetic. Why not pursue your Mr. Kottle? You 2 creeps deserve 1 another.
Friday, Jul 07, 2006 09:08A
As a woman, I support him. I do not like men only clubs either. Woman have fought "men only" for years and should know better. Plus, Curves is just a club that funnels money into anti-abortion groups so it seems reasonable to have men fund it.
Thursday, Jul 06, 2006 09:32A
Kottle, don't you have something better to do? Or are you that bored?
Wednesday, Jul 05, 2006 10:42P
Judge Knoel Owen is another one of those Judges that is destroying all that was good in America. There is nothing wrong with Women's Clubs, or Men's Clubs, or Boys Clubs, or Girls Clubs? Those Exclusive Clubs take nothing away from anyone.
Wednesday, Jul 05, 2006 08:18P
It's never crowed b/c all the women have now joined Gold's or Stan Bennett's.
Wednesday, Jul 05, 2006 08:17P
Other men have NO interest in joining a tiny 10,000 sq ft gym set-up and designed for women.
Wednesday, Jul 05, 2006 08:15P
Works out 5 or 6 days a week my @$$! Haven't seen him there since some women laid into him.
Wednesday, Jul 05, 2006 08:13P
Dude has some serious issues...lives at home with mommy at the ripe age of 30 something, and doesn't his "boyfriend" live there too??????
Wednesday, Jul 05, 2006 08:12P
You know that Kottle himself probably wrote most of these comments...
Wednesday, Jul 05, 2006 03:52P
Kottle is just an opporunist looking to make problems where there was none. I think women need a place to exercise without men there.
Tuesday, Jul 04, 2006 08:06P
Equal rights are for everyone. Also, don't let your self-consciousness allow others to control your feelings when you work out. If someone is looking at you inappropriately, it's their loss, because they should be focusing on their fitness.
Tuesday, Jul 04, 2006 10:38A
Comparable worth studies give little weight to tenure, physical hardship, working conditions, apprentice education, night shift work etc. They are essentially a (conservative) value statement that white collar workers are better then blue collar wor
Tuesday, Jul 04, 2006 10:30A
The wage difference between women and "males" (men) with the same education, title and tenure is 3%. The 25% earning differential is based on "comparable worth" studies conducted done by a women's group.
Tuesday, Jul 04, 2006 10:28A
The wage difference between women and "males" (men) with the same education, title and tenure is 3%. The 25% earning differential is based on "comparable worth" studies conducted done by a women's group.
Monday, Jul 03, 2006 06:36P
Women earn about 75% of what males make; Men have less than equal child custodyý. The status quo continues! And this brave individual is called gay / feminine because he wishes equal access, or perhaps you would like to return to the Dark Ages whe
Monday, Jul 03, 2006 02:35P
I think this is a bunch of bolgna!! Women need to have the right to feel secure and comfortable when working out! It can be very uncomfortable to be on the stairmaster with a bunch of men behind you checking you out.
Sunday, Jul 02, 2006 05:26A
we need gyms for fat butts, skinny butts, ugly straight guys,ugly straight women,women haters,men haters the list goes on and on just get off the couch and walk
Friday, Jun 30, 2006 08:20A
He wants a shower in the womens gym, tell him there's a hose out back. I'd like to see what woman would date this man. Why doesn't he understand that a lot of women feel uncomfortable with their bodies and don't want to work out in front of men?
Thursday, Jun 29, 2006 02:21P
It hurts when the shoes on the other foot doesn't it ladies! PLEASE...fair is fair. You can't have your cake and eat it too. You already have caused problems in the military...we all have our roles...let's live them.
Thursday, Jun 29, 2006 11:43A
hmmmmm a man Judge....what would it have been if there was a woman Judge....and for heavens sake MR. go to another work out place and leave the women alone and get a life
Thursday, Jun 29, 2006 06:57A
I'm a former employee of body central.Let's forget for a minute about the case ruling. This is still a MAN WANTING to work out WITH women. We should think about his real purpose. I've seen it myself.It's not to workout. Golds is across the street.
Thursday, Jun 29, 2006 12:53A
What's wrong with this guy? Next, he'll be suing Denny's Restaurant to let black people eat there!!! Like other people have said - a business should be allowed to serve the people they want to server.
Wednesday, Jun 28, 2006 12:20P
If someone tried to run a health and fitness club exclusively for men the ACLU would be suing their pants off. What goes around comes around.
Wednesday, Jun 28, 2006 12:18P
If someone tried to run a health and fitness club exclusively for men the ACLU would be suing their pants off. What goes around comes around.
Wednesday, Jun 28, 2006 12:18P
If someone tried to run a health and fitness club exclusively for men the ACLU would be suing their pants off. What goes around comes around.
Tuesday, Jun 27, 2006 01:40P
Is this guy serious? He has nothing else better to do than sue women's gyms, in today's society I would figure we were beyond men vs. women fights. Why don't we focus our attention on something important, not this lame excuse of a man!
Tuesday, Jun 27, 2006 12:34P
This man is a weak man seeking attention! It's a shame he has to pick on gyms where women are comfortable working out. It's a pattern for him, he needs to get a job, and leave mamas home, and find a man!
Sunday, Jun 25, 2006 11:23P
are you kidding me, there are like a thousand gyms that are co-ed or mostly male... why can we not have this refuge away from men, to just work out and sweat, and not have to deal with the drama of makeup and primping????
Saturday, Jun 24, 2006 08:56P
I'm not pretty and tried to join B.C. The women behind the counter were cold and uninviting. I didn't even bother using the free pass I asked for to try the gym out. One more example of government telling private people how to live.
Saturday, Jun 24, 2006 06:40A
When Cathy Palyo started this women's only club as a unique nitch. It was a great marketing idea. She was not anti-men,it was just business. While working on the A/C units, I never had women give me glaring, angry looks.
Friday, Jun 23, 2006 05:38P
It's too bad that this one guy want's to work out at a gym that caters to women only. But, I guess it's fair since women want to be allowed to join the boy scouts, play with the boys in little league baseball, and on and on.
Friday, Jun 23, 2006 03:42P
Unfortunately, too many comments here pertain to topics and grudges having nothing to do with this issue.The basic ideal we all need to consider here is not "misandry" vs. "misogyny" but rather who has the right to decide for us, courts or businesses
Friday, Jun 23, 2006 12:44P
Congratulations Shannon for a long run at a safe, comfortable environment for women to work out in. While living in SR I was a member for 5 years. Too bad this lonely chump had to ruin it for everyone. How sad that he has nothing better to do.
Friday, Jun 23, 2006 09:24A
I think our society is regressing
Friday, Jun 23, 2006 08:44A
This guys rights are not being violated, if this was the only place to work out, and men din't have a work out facility, then yeah, fight for your right to work out. Otherwise it's pointless.
Friday, Jun 23, 2006 07:58A
Cheers for Kottle, Women are always crying "unfair", but they cant stand it when a man does it. Besides, why should men put the seat down, Women should put the seat up!!!!! Its called equality!!!!!
Thursday, Jun 22, 2006 06:59P
We live in a Liberal County.There for we have to deal with this stupidity.I'm a 28 yr old male and women having their own gym should not be a problem.Its not a sexist issue,its a comfort zone issue.Whats next A bathroom designation lawsuit.
Thursday, Jun 22, 2006 04:45P
I wonder why this guy thinks he is a woman? Can't he respect the owners decision to have a women's only gym? It was the first one of it's kind. To me that guy needs to get over it and go to another gym.
Thursday, Jun 22, 2006 04:19P
you women need dr laura
Thursday, Jun 22, 2006 04:17P
women wanted equal rights so why are they tripping. everyone needs to get over themselves and quit crying. I lost my whole community from a hurricane and if what happend in the dome had a slight chance of happening and that gym men would be allowed.
Thursday, Jun 22, 2006 02:48P
Great! Does these mean that women will now be allowed to join the Bohemian Club???? (Not a chance, I'm sure!)
Thursday, Jun 22, 2006 01:15P
Plain and simple. Society is too ready to please everyone. Screw that ONE guy who started this whole thing. If women want a place to call their own, they should have it!
Thursday, Jun 22, 2006 12:59P
It's private property. Nothing to do with the Gov't. If you don't like the policies, go somewhere else.
Thursday, Jun 22, 2006 09:04A
kottle is some1 who has no life, wants 15 mins of fame, and is a complete sissy. There are too many sue crazy people out hewre, and not a single one of them has a real life, real friends, or an actual motivation for the suit. They are losers!!!
Thursday, Jun 22, 2006 09:02A
a womans only gym is a support group, with people of the same sex to help/encourage.Sure if you are buutt ugly,no one will stare,but i have been hit on in every gym i have ever been in, every single time. Men,don't complain, cuz you guys are perves!
Wednesday, Jun 21, 2006 06:10P
Some women don't feel comfortable working out in front of men...I get that. Do you think I like a male doctor performing a physical on me....heck no! But you know what...I deal with it. You women need to acquire some self esteem.
Wednesday, Jun 21, 2006 06:03P
Hey....If women want to play on the PGA Golf Tour, a la Michelle Wie, whats the big deal of a guy wanting to work out in a "womens only" gym? It's the same thing. She wants to play with the guys....and he wants to play with the girls.
Thursday, Jun 15, 2006 03:14P
Where was the court-ruling when the building was zoned, licensed and built? The owner of this facility is the real victim of the state, not that weird guy who likes to work out with 5 pound dumbells and legspreader machines.
Wednesday, Jun 14, 2006 06:36A
You guys don't get it. Men stink when they work out, they do not usually clean up after themselves and they stare like wild testosterone animals. (tell me you don't) Is this what you'd like to send your wives or daughters in to?
Tuesday, Jun 13, 2006 09:17A
If decades old "Mens Clubs" had to admit women, if former "Men Only" gyms had to admit women, if "Mens Only" anything and everything is "inherently sexist" then the "Womens Only" places are as well. Period, end of.
Monday, Jun 12, 2006 08:32P
With so many co-ed gyms available, why does Mr. Kottle insist on going to "women's only" gyms in both Petaluma and Santa Rosa? Many women will not exercise in front of men due to the positions taken during exericse.
Monday, Jun 12, 2006 01:16P
How many of you guys go home and call your wives sexist pigs? How many of you have no wives? How many let their wives go to health clubs and be stared at by men? Many of you may like living in the Mid East! Move!
Saturday, Jun 10, 2006 01:08P
Hooray for this man Kottle! I guess the REAL sexist pigs are women.
Saturday, Jun 10, 2006 10:11A
Title IX in 1973 afforded men and women the same opportunities. The proposition clearly states that equal opportunities must be avaible. It does not mean co-ed everything. Easy appeal here to be won. There are plenty of gyms for the guys already.
Friday, Jun 09, 2006 11:16P
Men fighting women? That will land you in jail buddy! When the pay is equal, job opportunties are equal and jerks like these guys that "Want the clean smelling gym facilities" to lift in learn to clean up their own messes maybe equality will begin.
Friday, Jun 09, 2006 08:07A
Men being sensitive to women's needs? What for? Women are not sensitive to men's needs. Heck, they aren't even sensitive to men's FEELINGS. Quit whining, women. Men are fighting back. Deal with it.
Friday, Jun 09, 2006 07:21A
Wow after reading many of the comments I am very saddened by the "Man Hating" that I hear going on in our society today. What ever happened to women being senstive to and only wanting equality? Grow up girls, get over it, and wipe your own noses!
Thursday, Jun 08, 2006 07:24P
In California "Halftime 30 Minute Fitness for Men", "Blitz", "Cuts for Men" and 20 country clubs nation wide cater to "Men Only". Ladies time to join some new clubs and go to court. Sad thing is the men all say they like their men only places...D'uh!
Thursday, Jun 08, 2006 07:14P
Scary to hear the Bobby Knights we have running around out there! "Since you know it's coming might as well lie down and take it like a woman!" You guys are really sick! Try moving to a third world country PLEASE! I'll buy your ticket!
Thursday, Jun 08, 2006 01:05P
Google P. Kottle and you will see he is a "C" rated tennis player in Sonoma County and he has been busy picking on anyone that doesn't "Kottle" his desires. Poor baby!
Thursday, Jun 08, 2006 12:00P
Here would be the equal of how women feel at Health Clubs while men are gawking at them (even if you don't 'mean' to)...you guys go lifts some weights in the prison yard at San Quentin. See how that feels!
Thursday, Jun 08, 2006 09:40A
Wow after reading many of the comments I am very saddened by the "Women Hating" that I hear going on in our society today. What ever happened to men being senstive to women's needs? Grow up guys, get over it, and wipe your own noses!
Wednesday, Jun 07, 2006 06:27P
This is Kalifornia. There is no discrimination to include women's day at bars. IT IS THE LAW. Stop discriminating!!!!
Wednesday, Jun 07, 2006 05:38P
Put away your victim cards and suck it up -- this is only the beginning!
Wednesday, Jun 07, 2006 09:30A
Is Kottle only after money? You mean like that woman who slept WILLINGLY with Kobe Bryant and then claimed she was raped and then exploited sexual harrassment laws to sue him for A LOT OF MONEY?
Wednesday, Jun 07, 2006 09:22A
Hyuk! That medicine tastes bitter doesn't it women?
Tuesday, Jun 06, 2006 11:47P
I am probably one of the minority of females that are anti-feminist and pro-masculinist. I personally feel uncomfortable about going to a co-ed gym. Not because men are staring, but because I am VERY SHY and feel self-concious when I'm all sweaty.
Tuesday, Jun 06, 2006 08:54P
The staff opinon of the Press Democrat seems to be, men who roll over when women shut down men's clubs and businesses are good, and men who are tired of it are bad. An exfeminist female once described feminist men as "psychologically castred" Amen.
Tuesday, Jun 06, 2006 06:19P
It simply does not matter if women like it or not. If we want equal rights, we must be willing to live in an EQUAL society - that includes some things we may not choose. Freedom is not a buffet - you can't pick and choose what you want.
Tuesday, Jun 06, 2006 04:42P
Women fought against sexual discrimination in the work place. They sited men and employers discriminate against women. Men and women work side by side in the work place so the lame excuse that women feel uncomfortable exercising around men is crap.
Tuesday, Jun 06, 2006 02:49P
Ideally, a private club should be able to discriminate as much as it wants, and the public market should provide a check against it. This was not changed by the men. It's time to take notice, women. Listen carefully: You can't have it both ways.
Tuesday, Jun 06, 2006 10:47A
I am a member of Body Central.I pay a high member fee to not HAVE MEN LOOKING AT ME,WHILE I WORK OUT!I shouldn't have to "get over it" If there wasn't a need for a "Private" gym,I would go to a co-ed gym!like men go to their "PRIVATE SOCIAL CLUBS!
Tuesday, Jun 06, 2006 08:56A
Just today I received an email form a woman who read a letter to the Seattle Times that I had writen a few years ago about this very subject. Her comment was "Well some women do not like to work out with men around to watch them." Ron Belec Seattle
Tuesday, Jun 06, 2006 08:04A
Ive been in gyms for the last ten years and men respect the women. The only people who gawk and oggle are the immature girls who exploit 'female privilege'. Ive never seen a man be disresepectful in a gym. Youve got a complex, women.
Tuesday, Jun 06, 2006 05:59A
So women aren't comfortable with men in their health club, yet they have the right to go in to mens locker rooms in professional sports while female athletes get respect and privacy. Your hypocritical double standards are being torn down, ladies!
Monday, Jun 05, 2006 10:13P
I agree that businesses should be able to choose how to market themselves. But it's high time that America's women feel what it's like to have THEIR barriers trampled through court rulings. What's good for the goose.......
Monday, Jun 05, 2006 08:22P
This isn't a trivial issue. As a male homemaker and full time dad, I regularly encounter sexism and discrimination in my "place of employment", i.e. the businesses, clubs etc. that cater to moms at home.
Monday, Jun 05, 2006 08:16P
Sauce for the gander is sauce for the goose. Personally, I think there is a place for single-sex gyms, but it has to cut both ways. If a state bans single sex businesses, that ban applies to women only gyms as much as male only social clubs.
Monday, Jun 05, 2006 08:16P
"Many times I have found men looking up and forward when their heads should be down. Men need to be in front." Really ? You would like to dictate what we look at and where we stand ? I don't think so. Get over it or stay home.
Monday, Jun 05, 2006 08:14P
Ok, sure. I think women should have to register for the draft just like men LEGALLY HAVE to and run the risk of being killed or maimed JUST LIKE WE DO. You want equality, ladies ? Come get it.
Monday, Jun 05, 2006 08:01P
I imagine when buses and lunch counters were desegrated in the South, it probably made some whites "uncomfortable." Too damn bad, but that is what equality is about. Get over it, ladies.
Monday, Jun 05, 2006 08:00P
I am really sorry that some women feel "uncomfortable" working out in the same space with men, but quite frankly, that is their problem, not mine. Their right to be "comfortable" does not trump my right to not be discriminated against.
Monday, Jun 05, 2006 07:08P
Thanks Kottle for exposing the double standard created by a feminist culture, especially in liberal California of all places. Many women have the entitlest attitude, so no they can explain it to the judge.
Monday, Jun 05, 2006 05:49P
Funny how many commentators talk about the advantages of 'segregated' environments, thinking these cannot apply to men. Guess what, there are always "good reasons" for discrimination, it has always been that way.
Monday, Jun 05, 2006 04:58P
So much nonsense. We either have both mens and womens gyms or entirely mixed. I don't care which but be consistant please. If women demand equal access to male facilities they cant expect the reverse to not happen. Anything else is pure hypocrisy.
Monday, Jun 05, 2006 04:38P
I'm just amazed at the hypocrisy of feminists who think it's ok for women but not men to exclude the other. Men often want separate sports clubs for the same reasons as women. Feminists are the biggest hypocrits on the face of the planet.
Monday, Jun 05, 2006 04:28P
What was this club thinking? It's the 21st Century in the most progressive state in the country, and this club discriminated against consumers based on sex. Unbelievable! I'm do tired of sexist anti-male double standards. Thank you Phil Kottle.
Monday, Jun 05, 2006 04:21P
What was this club thinking? It's the 21st Century in the most progressive state in the country, and this club discriminated against consumers based on sex. Unbelievable!
Monday, Jun 05, 2006 04:18P
A previous comment stated, "It's a business and should be able to serve or not serve anyone they want to." Er, okay. How about, "No Jews Allowed?" Or perhaps, "Whites Only." How slippery do you like your slopes, anyway?
Monday, Jun 05, 2006 04:16P
What was this club thinking? It's the 21st Century in the most progressive state in the country, and this business was discriminating against consumers based on sex. Unbelievable!
Monday, Jun 05, 2006 04:14P
"It's a business and should be able to serve or not serve anyone they want to." Er, okay. How about, "No Jews Allowed?"
Monday, Jun 05, 2006 04:13P
I think it is so sad that women don't understand what "equal rights" means: equal. And women don't "gawk" at men? Puh-leeze. If you feel uncomfortable around men, I have one bit of advice: get over it.
Monday, Jun 05, 2006 03:24P
I applaud this decision. Discrimination of any kind is wrong. Misandrist feminists have a double standard. It's discrimination if it works to their advantage but the minute they are held to the same standards, they pull out their victim gender card.
Monday, Jun 05, 2006 03:22P
I think everyone missed the point here. Body Central broke the law and tried to get around it. Kottle is not the problem but the law is. The right to privacy and association was severly curtailed with the overeactions of the feminist movement.
Monday, Jun 05, 2006 03:21P
I think everyone missed the point here. Body Central broke the law and tried to get around it. Kottle is not the problem but the law is. The right to privacy and association was severly curtailed with the overeactions of the feminist movement.
Monday, Jun 05, 2006 03:21P
I think everyone missed the point here. Body Central broke the law and tried to get around it. Kottle is not the problem but the law is. The right to privacy and association was severly curtailed with the overeactions of the feminist movement.
Monday, Jun 05, 2006 02:45P
"Everyone knows curves is for women" For Now! (evil laugh here)
Monday, Jun 05, 2006 02:43P
I am so glad that American women are finally beginning to realise that equality is a 2 way street. How could any rational person think that they could protest against men only golf clubs, but somehow women only gyms were ok? Touche
Monday, Jun 05, 2006 02:32P
We have been eroding the rights of business owners to sell their products and services how they want and to whom they want for a long time. Noble intentions or not, It was only a matter of time before an unpopular decision like this would be made.
Monday, Jun 05, 2006 01:35P
Maybe men didn't want women in their workout place? I wouldn't. I would feel insecure. But the feminazis fought against it anyway, and now that the situation is reversed, you complain? Ludicrous and hypocritical.
Monday, Jun 05, 2006 12:01P
Women in our society like to play both ends of the "game." When men have something they want, it's discrimination." When they have something they don't care to share it's "sisterhood." But would they really be able to hack equality?
Monday, Jun 05, 2006 12:01P
This can be considered to be tit-for-tat: It's cute to see how many women like good ol' discrimination when it suits them while they've been tight lipped in considering the feelings and needs of men. Welcome to equality ladies!
Monday, Jun 05, 2006 05:20A
Gyms are just the start. Just as women have been granted the right to the workplace, so too must we now grant men the right to be in the family.
Sunday, Jun 04, 2006 02:29P
This about petty, retaliatory bickering that punishes niche marketing while doing nothing to serve the greater good of anyone except one litigious man. The fight for equal rights, is the right to vote; equal pay; equal treatment under the law. This
Sunday, Jun 04, 2006 11:43A
It has nothing to do with "wanting" to join the grove, its just the fact that they would NEVER rule in favor of a women joining. But if a man wants in a women's establishment then they better clear the way.
Saturday, Jun 03, 2006 09:19P
MALE: Im for women having their own gym, same with men. SOLUTION: open a gym for only men, only women, and for everyone. Ill work out at home.
Saturday, Jun 03, 2006 08:22A
I can understand that women may want a "private" atmosphere, well so do men. Yet, we are sexists if we wish to have an all male club?? Typical hypocrisy, from the "progressives". You can't have it both ways people!
Saturday, Jun 03, 2006 06:10A
As a 72 year old I think this is (S) for stupid. I am male by the way. My wife goes to Curves and I won't even use the rest room there because it is for women.Do women who are trying to get in shape want a bunch of men lookoing at their bulges.
Saturday, Jun 03, 2006 05:55A
For every action there is an opposite and equal reaction. Surely the owner of the gym knew the law banning discrimination works both ways.
Saturday, Jun 03, 2006 12:35A
I love how everyone writes as if this is the post patriarchy. There is still a need for women only spaces. When there is true equality, women would not feel threatened to work in a coed gym and men would not feel a need to be threatening.
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 11:11P
Maybe a good concept business model would be to have one gym that is divided into two. Like there are men and womenýs restrooms, this gym could have men and womenýs sides, both with equal equipment. I'd like to see Kottle try and sue there.
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 11:02P
The reason I joined Body Central was because it was for women only- because I never felt uncomfortable working out in the women's-only gym vs. one that is co-ed. I certainly wouldn't want to share public restrooms with men!
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 10:52P
Who will these gyms be discriminating against next? In the 1970s, women had little problem coming into formerly all-male gyms. At a Sebastopol gym, my same-sex male partner (of 30 years) and I were told that the two-fer was only for married straights
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 10:26P
It's truly a shame that one sour apple can ruin the whole basket. Body Central is a phenomenal gym for Women. I won't be the same once males join. What a disappointment. Thank you Shannon for your strength in fighting this. We are truly grateful. =)
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 09:40P
I struggle with my weight every day of my life. I am made fun of and humiliated at co-ed gyms. Women's only fitness centers have allowed me to exercise with dignity. If I belonged to Body Central and a man showed up, I wouldn't feel safe anymore.
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 09:26P
Oh Please, there are SO many gyms that allow men. Why does Mr. Kottle feel the need to frequent a women's gym. Is it simply because he enjoys bringing lawsuits?
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 09:17P
This is not about Kottle; this is all about feminists, man hater, and macho women. Hope you like the taste of your own medicine. Remember Citadel!
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 08:53P
To them women who want to join the Bohemian Club: You want to hang out with those guys? You have issues.
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 08:51P
I joined Body Central because it was women only. Very mellow. If men want to have men-only gyms, fine. I think we're at a point where we can agree that men and women have different needs in different arenas.
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 08:45P
Wow! The hypocrisy on this board is astounding. When it was men who wanted a "place of their own", women went to court to change that, but when the shoe is on the other foot...
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 08:37P
"Hey ladies, we were the ones who fought for equality. Now we wonder why men dont hold open doors, be gentlemen and now join our gyms. We created this, deal with it." Amen.
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 08:35P
Two lawsuits in two years against women-only gyms, one in Petaluma and one in Santa Rosa????? This man needs a different hobby!!!!
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 08:01P
To the beautiful women of Sonoma County, this character does not reflect how all of us men feel. I more than support a women's only gym, keep it going. Kottle is actually an appropriate name, because that is probably what he has been, koddled.
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 07:54P
One man in a gym full of women? I smell sitcom! What is Peter Scolari doing these days?
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 06:50P
This is ridiculous! Find your own gym!!!
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 06:24P
Hey what goes around comes around
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 06:14P
Hey ladies, we were the ones who fought for equality. Now we wonder why men dont hold open doors, be gentlemen and now join our gyms. We created this, deal with it.
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 06:13P
I won't speculate about Mr. Kottle's motives, and I don't even care to know what they are. The bottom line is this: If you wish to destroy male-only space in society, you have no right to complain if a backlash eventually sets in.
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 06:05P
If women have issues about working out near men then they need to deal with them instead of hiding in women only gyms. And it's true that a men's only gym would never be accepted. Women should step back and take a reality check.
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 05:37P
It's unfortunate that both men & women are so petty that they cannot allow each sex to have their own organizations. Men should be able to have their own clubs and organizations and women the same.
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 05:31P
I don't think this about descrimination, it's about how much money and/or attention this Kottle person can claim. reluctently, I agree with the ruling-equal rights for all (is he having a identity crisis?).
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 05:25P
Women are always fighting for their rights to be part of the "mans" world, this is no different!! Now if we can just infiltrate the Ms. America pageant, dang, we will have made it big.
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 05:24P
the only reason there are women only gym's to begin with is because there is a real need -- men have demonstrated repeatedly that they can't keep their eyes to themselves in a co-ed gym. The "equal" response: throw them out when they misbehave.
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 05:19P
If Kottle gets this much attention he should try for peace in the world. A world where everyone is kind and considerate.
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 04:59P
Equality is a two way street ladies, deal with it.
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 04:42P
Please, get over it already. If a man tried to create a male only gym, it wouldn't even get city approval. Bias is bias, no matter how you paint it.
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 04:23P
Women reporters are allowed in men's locker rooms but not visa versa. This indeed is a rare victory for men these days!
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 04:15P
I think this is absolutely ridiculous!!!! Whether we want to admit it or NOT, men and woman will never be the same. Phillip Kottle, is MONEY HUNGREY/SUE HUNGREY, there are approximately 510 fitness clubs in the Santa Rosa area and KOTTLE HAS/NEEDS
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 04:03P
This just proves it's still a "man's world". How many women are allowed to join the Bohemian Club? Wake up girls.....maybe we need a 1,000,000 women march???
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 04:01P
Men should be allowed in women's gyms only if they wear pink leotards and 'Flashdance' leg warmers.
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 03:42P
Fine, then you just make darned sure under the same stroke of the pen, you open the BOHEMIAN club to women huh? oh that's different? baloney!!!!!!!!!
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 03:33P
A lot of women are uncomfortable working out around strangers, especially men. This guy needs to get a life.
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 03:31P
It seems Kottle wanted be awarded damages in being prevented to join a woman's gym, since there is an abundance of gyms he could have joined. I heard the gym is now closing due to compliance created financial difficulties. So sad.
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 03:29P
If there were adults involved in this story it might be newsworthy! Signed: Archie Bunker
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 03:19P
And why can't this guy go to Gold's Gym, which is just a block away?! He's crazy, he's sue-happy, and he just wants attention.
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 03:18P
Women are not like men, they generally do not like to show off their body, at least the majority, we've got weight issues, and don't want to share them with men. This guy isn't comfortable at Gold's gym, Why is that?
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 03:07P
I became a member of the gym because it is for women. I don't want to work out where men are grunting and sweating. Plus, when it is only woman working out there is a more relazed atmosphere because we don't have to worry about what we are wearing.
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 02:32P
Wow! I only wish people had this much interest in their local community welfare,government officals and their doings.... we may not have to worry about the Kottles trying to get into women's gym. He's either trying to make point or is a women hatr.
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 02:31P
Have we as Americans no private spaces left, where we can exercise our right to associate with persons of our choosing without the government telling us (no! forcing us!) whom we must spend time with?
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 02:30P
we live in a law suit/I want money state. this does not surprise me. Hope he got what he wanted.
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 02:18P
I think it is a dumb idea to open the club up to men. Women dont always want to go to the gym and feel uncomfortable because there are men around checking them out.
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 02:17P
What's Next? Heck, you might see girls playing Little League, girls being doctors, girls flying planes, girls being cops, girls playing football....girls can't have it both ways!
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 02:12P
Now if only somebody would take on those sexist night clubs that admit ladies free while charging men. Isn't this 2006?
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 02:11P
What sexism - Questioning his sexuality in a derogatory manner, do you think Shannon would like it if someone did that to her?
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 02:08P
I'm a guy, and I think Kottle is not right here, but Women faught a legal battle to be members of Men-Only clubs and won... I understand the ladies want to not be watched while working out. Equal is equal
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 02:03P
I have to wonder what the outcome would be if the judge presided this lawsuit is a woman. How would that affect the outcome?
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 01:54P
What is with this guy!?!? Like there aren't any other gyms he can go to? Being a woman I sometimes hate working out with the guys. Can't we have our own space to work out!?!
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 01:53P
So what is going to be attacked next? Girls Scouts? Brownies? This is getting way out of hand. I prefer to work out where I am not being ogled by men.
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 01:52P
Kottle must not have a life, why cause trouble for these women, they're not bothering him. I like the fact that they have these clubs, they're great for my mom and wife who don't feel comfortable at a mixed club. I question Kottles manhood.
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 01:49P
Are any of you complaining, the same group who demand equal access to men's clubs etc? If so SHUP UP hypocrites. For the record Kottle is a goof but he is only playing the game the left created.
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 01:49P
Legally, I think the club should allow Kottle to be a member. But they should NOT be forced to provide a separate locker room and shower faciliites! That type of expense could put a small business OUT of business. Grow up, Kottle!
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 01:46P
Give me a break. This is a sad testimonial to the ridiculousness of our society. Political correctness, sexual equality gone too far! Get a life Kottle! Liberation movement come full circle?
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 01:36P
You want equal rights, you got it.
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 01:21P
I don't see what the problem is with a women's only gym (I disagree with the law). As a man, I understand that women would feel more comfortable at a gym that specifically met their needs. People like Kottle just want to stir things up.
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 01:20P
I used to work at Body Central five years ago and it is where I lost 40 pounds. I have since been to every other gym in SR and BC is still the best and cleanest. It has the best atmosphere where a woman does not have to feel gawked at by men.
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 12:59P
Sounds like people here want the law to apply only when it suits them or their own selfishness. I wonder if Rosa Parks would have felt this way?
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 12:55P
I use to belong to Body Central Gym and enjoyed the fact it was a women's only Gym because I had just had a baby and liked the daycare room. There are plenty of coed gyms in Sonoma County, so why can't Kottle just go to one of those? The YMCA?!
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 12:52P
Wow. People have alot to say about this. Kottle get a real life. There are many places where you can make the ladies uncomfortable. Leave Body Central Folk alone. They meant you no harm.
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 12:51P
Shame on Kottle- I hope the women of Body Central make his workout miserable with threatening remarks and dirty looks. Wait, that must be what he wants. Does he belong to every gym he's sued? Or just Body Central?
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 12:36P
I joined Curves because there is no way I would exercise in front of any man. That would be an embarrassment and I would feel uncomfortable. He has no right to make women feel bad and that is what he is doing!
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 12:34P
This guy could join every other gym in the county. Why ruin the one place where women who are uncomfortable in a co-ed environment whle they work out can feel safe? Gender separation is totally appropriate here.
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 12:33P
Body Central only has one locker room. It isn't equipped to handle both sexes, and frankly, in a place where ppl get sweaty and naked in hot tubs and saunas, what's wrong with a small amount of gender separation?
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 12:30P
I used to be a member of body central. I loved being able to go to a gym and know that only women were there. It made me feel more free and comfortable.
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 12:23P
Fair is fair. Men have been forced to open "men only" clubs up to women so now women are feeling the true effects of "EQUALITY". Yes, I AM WOMAN.
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 12:10P
In today's society with sex crimes rape at an all time high. I DO Believe Women Only or Men only gyms should be allowed. There are so many gyms in this county, that are very reasonbly priced and have new clean facilities. This man is inconsiderate
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 12:03P
Mr. Kottle must lack the companionship of a woman. No MAN i know would go to such lenghs to be in the presents of a bunch of woman working out. You have to feel sorry for this poor soul!
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 11:50A
Legally he should be allowed to attend, but I disagree that they should have to provide additional facilities (locker room & shower) for him. If he's not happy with the facilities provided AS IS, he should take his business elsewhere.
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 11:37A
I am a member of Curves and while the women are friendly, the person who said that we don't go there to work out is wrong. I lost 70lbs and am in the best shape I have been in 30 yrs, but I wouldn't have started if I had to work out w/men.
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 11:21A
Kottle, get a life and go work out somewhere else. I think the only thing you're exercising in this facility is your EYE muscles! Women AND men should have the right to separate health clubs. If a few weirdos don't fit in, oh well!
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 11:15A
It appears that Kottle is more concerned with self-promotion than what anti-discrimination laws were initially designed for; to empower the disenfranchised. Shame on Kottle and those that pursue lawsuits to serve their narrow purpose.
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 11:15A
i like sweaty women
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 11:13A
Like this was the only club this turkey could join. I believe that both men and women should be able to join ýgender exclusiveý health clubs. Hereýs to hoping that some body-builder husband gives Kottle an athletic exercise workout in the parking lot
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 11:10A
My bothers' tree fort was for him and his friends.. Sign posted GIRLS NOT Allowed.. sometimes, we all want to have as our own. I think body central is one of those places 4 the ladies. It is simple as that. He made his point, but WHY?
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 11:02A
Tell this guy to take a hike! The guy is just looking for attention.
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 10:58A
To the woman who posted twice about Curves being only a place that women go to chat, don't you think that depends on the woman? Don't paint us all with the same brush, in just 3 short months with Curves I've lost 18.5 lbs, 27 inches & 19% body fat.
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 10:55A
Equality is not a word that women should throw around when they want something their way. Time and time women think they can complain and bash men...but when the tables get turned, they moan and groan that they want a place of their own. GET REAL..
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 10:50A
Well I think that us as women want to join men only places,such as boy scouts ,military, gyms etc...so if we want to exclude them from of our women only places then leave them alone about thier men only places. it's a double standard.
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 10:42A
This is crazy who cares if there is a womens health club, and I am a man who belongs to a SR health club. If women desire to work out by themselves why not the club has been there for many years and only one person has complained. Please
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 10:33A
Kottle's case is a sad twist on the true meaning of anti-discrimination laws. They originated from empowering disenfranchised groups. Shame on you Kottle and those men and others who seek to self-promote under the guise of seeking equality.
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 10:33A
Seems like this guy just wants attention. Hey Phil, give everyone a break and go to the co-ed gym down the block! Find something of real importance to complain about instead of tying up the legal system with trivial lawsuits.
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 10:28A
I quit Body Central because I was hit on by women, now they have men too?? That's it..I'm officially a couch potato. Besides, men seem to stare instead of working out there. There goes the neighborhood.
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 10:27A
Kottle also only seems to use the Calf machine near the window of the locker room and the eliptical machine which I'm sure is avail. at any other gym.
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 10:24A
arent there enough mens only clubs fitness or not out there. He needs to get over it and come out of the closet!!
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 10:22A
I think there should be women only health clubs as long as men only health clubs are allowed to exist. It wasn't too long ago that the courts ordered men only clubs to open up to women. Now the shoe is on the other foot. Fair is fair.
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 10:15A
wow
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 10:13A
I can't beleive this guy. There are plenty of other gym's he could go to that are co-ed. In fact gold's is just across the parkinglot from Body Central! I guess he wouldn't be able to handle a men's gym!
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 10:10A
I can not belive this guy...Just likes to create problems I guess. Does he not have anything better to do? I was a member of Body Central for 5 years and loved it! (moved out of area). I feel for the owner of this club. Good luck to you!!!
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 10:09A
It's seems that a private club should be able to admit - or not- whomever they wish, with or without a reason. To bad California law doesn't permit this. (Posted by a male reader of the Press Demo web site.)
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 10:05A
When all the women quit this gym because they don't want to work out w/ men, what will happen? Can the gym's owner then sue Kottle for loss of income due to his frivilous lawsuit?
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 10:00A
'First of all a lot is two words not one. Secondly I am a woman who joined curves years ago and found it to be a place where women gathered to chat not to work out. You want a work out go to a real gym. I thought women had come further than this!
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 09:58A
Bohemian grove isn't a business- it's a private club. As the article explains, state law prohibiting gender-exclusion applies to businesses. A men's only gym would be a lightning rod for suits like this. Guess it hurts when the knife cuts both ways.
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 09:52A
I work out at this gym and the only reason I joined was to get a work out without all the "muscle heads" trying to pick on me. Why can't we have a sanctuary of our own?
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 09:49A
What about the Bohemian Grove, which does not allow women members? If he's so concerned about equal opportunities, why hasn't Kottle filed a complaint with the DFEH so that women can get membership there?
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 09:49A
I approve of women only gyms. I have tried 24hr. and Stan Bennets and found that I could not use the weight machines because men hog them. At a womens only gym I was able to use the weight equipment without being glared at by men wanting me to move.
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 09:49A
I think that this guy having problem working out around other men. And that is why he wants to joint the woman gym.
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 09:45A
Welcome to California. When you live in State, especially the Bay Area, you can't cry foul when the general liberality comes back to bit you in the behind.
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 09:44A
This is absolutely ridiculous! There's a co-ed gym just a block away. Why can't the bone-head go there? The reason I don't go to a gym, though I would like to, is that it's very uncomfortable to work out w/men, who tend to be vulgar & disrespectful.
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 09:43A
I think this is rediculous. I am a woman and I expect to be treated equally at any facility I enter. I would expect the same for men. As a woman it is shameful,we disgrace ourselves when we have worked so hard for equality, only when it suits us.
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 09:42A
Now women have no right to have a place to call their own? That is discrimmination!! This man has a problem. He doesn't work out, he stares and probably prays that he will find a woman who feels sorry for him! Now the gym will have to close!
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 09:35A
I think it's great to have gyms for women only. There are plenty of men-only clubs.
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 09:33A
People like Phillip Kottle are the reason women want a gym of there own.
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 09:28A
Working out around other women can be anxiety producing enough, many women won't even GO to a gym with men. We have mens and womens sports teams, why not gyms? There is no lack of gyms, and women's gyms aren't cheaper. Guys just want to show off.
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 09:22A
I PRAY THEY DONT LET MEN INTO THIS GYM, THERE IS SUCH AN EASY ATMOSPHERE BECAUSE THERE IS NO COMPITITION, THERES A FEELING OF SUPORT AND COMRADERY
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 09:20A
There are numerous gyms that are open to both men & women in Santa Rosa & some that are even new. Sometimes women are intimidated by going to the gym & feel safe in a womenýs fitness club. This guy is just looking for trouble and needs to get a life
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 09:17A
All women gyms should be available for those who do not want men looking at every move they make. I have been to some gyms where men just cannot help but stare at the women. I would much rather work out with peace of mind that no male is watchingme
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 09:09A
my experience with men at exercise classes is that they tend to reside in the back of the room. This enables them stare at womens backsides. Many times I have found men looking up and forward when their heads should be down. Men need to be in front.
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 09:05A
Considering our schools are in crisis. This is a great way to use up our tax dollars!!
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 09:03A
It's obvious that Mr. Kottle is more concerned with self-promotion and easy payouts than with trully looking for a place to workout. If he took but a moment to use his greedy head, he would recognize the need for such facilities.
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 08:42A
Does this mean wemon can have a legal right to the bohemian grove?
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 08:27A
I used to be a member at 24 hour fitness in Petaluma. After several incidences of harassment by male members with no help from the staff in curbing the problem I left and joined Elan where I can exercise in peace. Where is the law that protects women
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 07:53A
I don't see this as a man/woman issue. As business owners you should have a right to include or exlude whoever they want. Mr. Kottle needs to get a life and move on, his actions could very well put the gym out of business. Find another gym Kottle.
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 07:48A
I'm a 27 year old male and I understand why there is women only gyms and Im fine with it. Not every women wants to go to the gym and get picked up by some sweaty 30 something looking for a date.
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 07:19A
This is another example of how ridiculous things have gotten. It's a business and should be able to serve or not serve anyone they want to. This guy obviously has nothing better to do with his time except to look for business owners to sue.
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 07:05A
I can't imagine a man or woman insisting on belonging to another sex's "gym"! I also can't understand a man wanting to look like a woman, or take on her roll that she was designed by God for, either. We are made differently by God, and that's ok.
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 06:34A
hahahaaahha! Liberal politics biting Sonoma County back in the butt!
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 06:32A
Wow! If the tables were turned there would be blood on the streets of Santa Rosa! Women need to look at how feminism is no longer about equality but about bashing men...be careful, women....
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 05:43A
Good! Wymyn will now taste their own medicine (Augusta hill nonsense anyone?)
Body Central found in violation of state's anti-bias law after Santa Rosa man's complaint
By STEVE HART
THE PRESS DEMOCRAT
In a case that could have repercussions for single-sex fitness clubs, a Sonoma County judge has ordered a Santa Rosa women's health club to open its doors to men.
Judge Knoel Owen said Body Central must provide showers and lockers for men and stop advertising itself as a women-only health club.
He ruled in favor of the state Department of Fair Employment and Housing, which sued Body Central last year for allegedly violating California's anti-discrimination law.
The state agency filed the suit after Phillip Kottle of Santa Rosa complained he was denied membership at the downtown fitness center in 2003 because of his gender. On Wednesday, Kottle said Body Central allowed him to join the gym in January.
"As far as I know, I'm the only male," he said. "At least I'm the only one I've seen. Men don't know that it's open."
Kottle, who also filed a complaint against a Petaluma women's health club in 2003, said he views the case as a civil rights issue.
"I have a right to go there," he said.
Female patrons at Body Central let him know he wasn't welcome, Kottle said.
"The first month or so I had some nasty comments," he said. "I haven't been cursed at recently."
Kottle said he ignores the barbs because he likes Body Central's exercise facility.
"It's convenient and it's never crowded," he said. "The equipment is almost brand new."
Body Central owner Shannon Hartnett did not respond to several phone calls seeking comment.
Hartnett, a bodybuilder and former college track star, did not appear in Superior Court last week for a hearing in the case.
At the hearing, an attorney for the Department of Fair Employment and Housing told the judge that Body Central hadn't complied with a 2004 agreement to provide equal facilities for men.
Attorney Susan Saylor said Hartnett had continued to promote Body Central as a women-only health club and hadn't made provisions for men. Hartnett "failed to make accommodations for her male customers to shower and change after their workout," Saylor said in a declaration to the court.
Hartnett painted over signs on her Ross Street business that said "Making Women Stronger" and "Fitness For Women." But a state investigator said the "Fitness For Women" sign was not completely covered and is still visible.
In his own declaration, Kottle said Body Central employees called police Jan. 7 when he went to the club a second time and tried to become a member. Four days later, Hartnett phoned Kottle and said he would be allowed to join, according to court records.
Kottle said he bought a membership and now goes there four or five times a week. He said there are no showers for men, but Hartnett told him she'd made arrangements for him to shower at a coed gym a block away.
Kottle said he went to the nearby gym and was told he couldn't use its showers on a regular basis.
In his order, Owen said Body Central must make its facilities "open and welcoming to men, who will be granted the full privileges of membership."
The fitness club must provide showers for men by Dec. 31 and make alternate shower arrangements for them in the meantime.
Body Central must return for a hearing in December to determine whether it has complied with the court order. The business could be fined $50 for each day it is in violation of the ruling.
The state Supreme Court ruled in 1995 that private clubs operating as businesses can't discriminate based on sex, race or religion. But the law doesn't say how far women's health clubs must go to accommodate men.
Supporters of women's health clubs say they should be allowed to exclude males because many women don't feel comfortable exercising in front of men.
J. Wynn Herron, a Sonoma attorney who specializes in discrimination cases, said the Santa Rosa case doesn't establish legal precedent but it shows the state's determination to enforce the law.
Last year, the state settled a lawsuit accusing a Petaluma women's fitness center of discriminating against men. Elan Fitness agreed to let men have full access to the club's classes and facilities, with the exception of lockers and showers.
The Petaluma case also was prompted by a complaint from Kottle, who said he tried to join Elan Fitness in 2003. Kottle said club representatives told him men could use the club only one day a week, but they still had to pay for a full membership.
It's unclear how many health clubs in California exclude men.
Becky Frusher, spokeswoman for Curves International in Waco, Texas, said its franchises admit men in states that prohibit gender discrimination at health clubs.
Curves, which promotes itself as a fitness program for women, has 822 locations in California, she said.
"We tell our franchisees that they need to learn and comply with state and local laws," Frusher said. Some states allow women-only fitness clubs.
Curves formerly was called Curves for Women, but the company changed the name, Frusher said. She said the name change wasn't prompted by legal concerns.
"Everyone knows Curves is for women," she said.
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Monday, Jul 10, 2006 10:39A
Kottle has severe emotional disturbances from being raised by a father-less home with a dominating mother. That's my guess. He needs us women to "Kottle" him. What a perfect name he was given...whimp!
Sunday, Jul 09, 2006 12:30P
This is like in high school, where there is an asian club, an african american club and a latino club, but if there were to be a caucasian club, they'd be racist. Why does this guy need memberships ONLY at two all-female gyms when the rest are fine?
Sunday, Jul 09, 2006 08:02A
Oh my God, this is STILL being commented on?I just noticed it and had to check the posts.The guy's a joke!Lets all pitch in and buy him a home gym set for his garage so nobody will have to deal with him!
Saturday, Jul 08, 2006 12:36P
If someone has a problem with a gender specific club - dont go there! some people are addicted to drama and law suits - These same men probably want to be "girlscouts" when they gorw up.
Saturday, Jul 08, 2006 12:32P
SO what if some fitness clubs are for specific genders? Men and women have different bodies and different needs and maybe it is just easier and more cost efficient to target 1 gender.
Saturday, Jul 08, 2006 12:25P
it is too bad in a country that promotes freedom, women can't find a place to exercise with other women. It is also itneresting, this Kottle character. I wonder in the end if he paid out of his pocket or was he compensated for his fight?
Friday, Jul 07, 2006 08:50P
To the woman "supporting" the troublemaker Kottle below, where's your proof re Curves funneling $ into anti-abortion groups!? As a Curves member I've NEVER heard that. You're pathetic. Why not pursue your Mr. Kottle? You 2 creeps deserve 1 another.
Friday, Jul 07, 2006 09:08A
As a woman, I support him. I do not like men only clubs either. Woman have fought "men only" for years and should know better. Plus, Curves is just a club that funnels money into anti-abortion groups so it seems reasonable to have men fund it.
Thursday, Jul 06, 2006 09:32A
Kottle, don't you have something better to do? Or are you that bored?
Wednesday, Jul 05, 2006 10:42P
Judge Knoel Owen is another one of those Judges that is destroying all that was good in America. There is nothing wrong with Women's Clubs, or Men's Clubs, or Boys Clubs, or Girls Clubs? Those Exclusive Clubs take nothing away from anyone.
Wednesday, Jul 05, 2006 08:18P
It's never crowed b/c all the women have now joined Gold's or Stan Bennett's.
Wednesday, Jul 05, 2006 08:17P
Other men have NO interest in joining a tiny 10,000 sq ft gym set-up and designed for women.
Wednesday, Jul 05, 2006 08:15P
Works out 5 or 6 days a week my @$$! Haven't seen him there since some women laid into him.
Wednesday, Jul 05, 2006 08:13P
Dude has some serious issues...lives at home with mommy at the ripe age of 30 something, and doesn't his "boyfriend" live there too??????
Wednesday, Jul 05, 2006 08:12P
You know that Kottle himself probably wrote most of these comments...
Wednesday, Jul 05, 2006 03:52P
Kottle is just an opporunist looking to make problems where there was none. I think women need a place to exercise without men there.
Tuesday, Jul 04, 2006 08:06P
Equal rights are for everyone. Also, don't let your self-consciousness allow others to control your feelings when you work out. If someone is looking at you inappropriately, it's their loss, because they should be focusing on their fitness.
Tuesday, Jul 04, 2006 10:38A
Comparable worth studies give little weight to tenure, physical hardship, working conditions, apprentice education, night shift work etc. They are essentially a (conservative) value statement that white collar workers are better then blue collar wor
Tuesday, Jul 04, 2006 10:30A
The wage difference between women and "males" (men) with the same education, title and tenure is 3%. The 25% earning differential is based on "comparable worth" studies conducted done by a women's group.
Tuesday, Jul 04, 2006 10:28A
The wage difference between women and "males" (men) with the same education, title and tenure is 3%. The 25% earning differential is based on "comparable worth" studies conducted done by a women's group.
Monday, Jul 03, 2006 06:36P
Women earn about 75% of what males make; Men have less than equal child custodyý. The status quo continues! And this brave individual is called gay / feminine because he wishes equal access, or perhaps you would like to return to the Dark Ages whe
Monday, Jul 03, 2006 02:35P
I think this is a bunch of bolgna!! Women need to have the right to feel secure and comfortable when working out! It can be very uncomfortable to be on the stairmaster with a bunch of men behind you checking you out.
Sunday, Jul 02, 2006 05:26A
we need gyms for fat butts, skinny butts, ugly straight guys,ugly straight women,women haters,men haters the list goes on and on just get off the couch and walk
Friday, Jun 30, 2006 08:20A
He wants a shower in the womens gym, tell him there's a hose out back. I'd like to see what woman would date this man. Why doesn't he understand that a lot of women feel uncomfortable with their bodies and don't want to work out in front of men?
Thursday, Jun 29, 2006 02:21P
It hurts when the shoes on the other foot doesn't it ladies! PLEASE...fair is fair. You can't have your cake and eat it too. You already have caused problems in the military...we all have our roles...let's live them.
Thursday, Jun 29, 2006 11:43A
hmmmmm a man Judge....what would it have been if there was a woman Judge....and for heavens sake MR. go to another work out place and leave the women alone and get a life
Thursday, Jun 29, 2006 06:57A
I'm a former employee of body central.Let's forget for a minute about the case ruling. This is still a MAN WANTING to work out WITH women. We should think about his real purpose. I've seen it myself.It's not to workout. Golds is across the street.
Thursday, Jun 29, 2006 12:53A
What's wrong with this guy? Next, he'll be suing Denny's Restaurant to let black people eat there!!! Like other people have said - a business should be allowed to serve the people they want to server.
Wednesday, Jun 28, 2006 12:20P
If someone tried to run a health and fitness club exclusively for men the ACLU would be suing their pants off. What goes around comes around.
Wednesday, Jun 28, 2006 12:18P
If someone tried to run a health and fitness club exclusively for men the ACLU would be suing their pants off. What goes around comes around.
Wednesday, Jun 28, 2006 12:18P
If someone tried to run a health and fitness club exclusively for men the ACLU would be suing their pants off. What goes around comes around.
Tuesday, Jun 27, 2006 01:40P
Is this guy serious? He has nothing else better to do than sue women's gyms, in today's society I would figure we were beyond men vs. women fights. Why don't we focus our attention on something important, not this lame excuse of a man!
Tuesday, Jun 27, 2006 12:34P
This man is a weak man seeking attention! It's a shame he has to pick on gyms where women are comfortable working out. It's a pattern for him, he needs to get a job, and leave mamas home, and find a man!
Sunday, Jun 25, 2006 11:23P
are you kidding me, there are like a thousand gyms that are co-ed or mostly male... why can we not have this refuge away from men, to just work out and sweat, and not have to deal with the drama of makeup and primping????
Saturday, Jun 24, 2006 08:56P
I'm not pretty and tried to join B.C. The women behind the counter were cold and uninviting. I didn't even bother using the free pass I asked for to try the gym out. One more example of government telling private people how to live.
Saturday, Jun 24, 2006 06:40A
When Cathy Palyo started this women's only club as a unique nitch. It was a great marketing idea. She was not anti-men,it was just business. While working on the A/C units, I never had women give me glaring, angry looks.
Friday, Jun 23, 2006 05:38P
It's too bad that this one guy want's to work out at a gym that caters to women only. But, I guess it's fair since women want to be allowed to join the boy scouts, play with the boys in little league baseball, and on and on.
Friday, Jun 23, 2006 03:42P
Unfortunately, too many comments here pertain to topics and grudges having nothing to do with this issue.The basic ideal we all need to consider here is not "misandry" vs. "misogyny" but rather who has the right to decide for us, courts or businesses
Friday, Jun 23, 2006 12:44P
Congratulations Shannon for a long run at a safe, comfortable environment for women to work out in. While living in SR I was a member for 5 years. Too bad this lonely chump had to ruin it for everyone. How sad that he has nothing better to do.
Friday, Jun 23, 2006 09:24A
I think our society is regressing
Friday, Jun 23, 2006 08:44A
This guys rights are not being violated, if this was the only place to work out, and men din't have a work out facility, then yeah, fight for your right to work out. Otherwise it's pointless.
Friday, Jun 23, 2006 07:58A
Cheers for Kottle, Women are always crying "unfair", but they cant stand it when a man does it. Besides, why should men put the seat down, Women should put the seat up!!!!! Its called equality!!!!!
Thursday, Jun 22, 2006 06:59P
We live in a Liberal County.There for we have to deal with this stupidity.I'm a 28 yr old male and women having their own gym should not be a problem.Its not a sexist issue,its a comfort zone issue.Whats next A bathroom designation lawsuit.
Thursday, Jun 22, 2006 04:45P
I wonder why this guy thinks he is a woman? Can't he respect the owners decision to have a women's only gym? It was the first one of it's kind. To me that guy needs to get over it and go to another gym.
Thursday, Jun 22, 2006 04:19P
you women need dr laura
Thursday, Jun 22, 2006 04:17P
women wanted equal rights so why are they tripping. everyone needs to get over themselves and quit crying. I lost my whole community from a hurricane and if what happend in the dome had a slight chance of happening and that gym men would be allowed.
Thursday, Jun 22, 2006 02:48P
Great! Does these mean that women will now be allowed to join the Bohemian Club???? (Not a chance, I'm sure!)
Thursday, Jun 22, 2006 01:15P
Plain and simple. Society is too ready to please everyone. Screw that ONE guy who started this whole thing. If women want a place to call their own, they should have it!
Thursday, Jun 22, 2006 12:59P
It's private property. Nothing to do with the Gov't. If you don't like the policies, go somewhere else.
Thursday, Jun 22, 2006 09:04A
kottle is some1 who has no life, wants 15 mins of fame, and is a complete sissy. There are too many sue crazy people out hewre, and not a single one of them has a real life, real friends, or an actual motivation for the suit. They are losers!!!
Thursday, Jun 22, 2006 09:02A
a womans only gym is a support group, with people of the same sex to help/encourage.Sure if you are buutt ugly,no one will stare,but i have been hit on in every gym i have ever been in, every single time. Men,don't complain, cuz you guys are perves!
Wednesday, Jun 21, 2006 06:10P
Some women don't feel comfortable working out in front of men...I get that. Do you think I like a male doctor performing a physical on me....heck no! But you know what...I deal with it. You women need to acquire some self esteem.
Wednesday, Jun 21, 2006 06:03P
Hey....If women want to play on the PGA Golf Tour, a la Michelle Wie, whats the big deal of a guy wanting to work out in a "womens only" gym? It's the same thing. She wants to play with the guys....and he wants to play with the girls.
Thursday, Jun 15, 2006 03:14P
Where was the court-ruling when the building was zoned, licensed and built? The owner of this facility is the real victim of the state, not that weird guy who likes to work out with 5 pound dumbells and legspreader machines.
Wednesday, Jun 14, 2006 06:36A
You guys don't get it. Men stink when they work out, they do not usually clean up after themselves and they stare like wild testosterone animals. (tell me you don't) Is this what you'd like to send your wives or daughters in to?
Tuesday, Jun 13, 2006 09:17A
If decades old "Mens Clubs" had to admit women, if former "Men Only" gyms had to admit women, if "Mens Only" anything and everything is "inherently sexist" then the "Womens Only" places are as well. Period, end of.
Monday, Jun 12, 2006 08:32P
With so many co-ed gyms available, why does Mr. Kottle insist on going to "women's only" gyms in both Petaluma and Santa Rosa? Many women will not exercise in front of men due to the positions taken during exericse.
Monday, Jun 12, 2006 01:16P
How many of you guys go home and call your wives sexist pigs? How many of you have no wives? How many let their wives go to health clubs and be stared at by men? Many of you may like living in the Mid East! Move!
Saturday, Jun 10, 2006 01:08P
Hooray for this man Kottle! I guess the REAL sexist pigs are women.
Saturday, Jun 10, 2006 10:11A
Title IX in 1973 afforded men and women the same opportunities. The proposition clearly states that equal opportunities must be avaible. It does not mean co-ed everything. Easy appeal here to be won. There are plenty of gyms for the guys already.
Friday, Jun 09, 2006 11:16P
Men fighting women? That will land you in jail buddy! When the pay is equal, job opportunties are equal and jerks like these guys that "Want the clean smelling gym facilities" to lift in learn to clean up their own messes maybe equality will begin.
Friday, Jun 09, 2006 08:07A
Men being sensitive to women's needs? What for? Women are not sensitive to men's needs. Heck, they aren't even sensitive to men's FEELINGS. Quit whining, women. Men are fighting back. Deal with it.
Friday, Jun 09, 2006 07:21A
Wow after reading many of the comments I am very saddened by the "Man Hating" that I hear going on in our society today. What ever happened to women being senstive to and only wanting equality? Grow up girls, get over it, and wipe your own noses!
Thursday, Jun 08, 2006 07:24P
In California "Halftime 30 Minute Fitness for Men", "Blitz", "Cuts for Men" and 20 country clubs nation wide cater to "Men Only". Ladies time to join some new clubs and go to court. Sad thing is the men all say they like their men only places...D'uh!
Thursday, Jun 08, 2006 07:14P
Scary to hear the Bobby Knights we have running around out there! "Since you know it's coming might as well lie down and take it like a woman!" You guys are really sick! Try moving to a third world country PLEASE! I'll buy your ticket!
Thursday, Jun 08, 2006 01:05P
Google P. Kottle and you will see he is a "C" rated tennis player in Sonoma County and he has been busy picking on anyone that doesn't "Kottle" his desires. Poor baby!
Thursday, Jun 08, 2006 12:00P
Here would be the equal of how women feel at Health Clubs while men are gawking at them (even if you don't 'mean' to)...you guys go lifts some weights in the prison yard at San Quentin. See how that feels!
Thursday, Jun 08, 2006 09:40A
Wow after reading many of the comments I am very saddened by the "Women Hating" that I hear going on in our society today. What ever happened to men being senstive to women's needs? Grow up guys, get over it, and wipe your own noses!
Wednesday, Jun 07, 2006 06:27P
This is Kalifornia. There is no discrimination to include women's day at bars. IT IS THE LAW. Stop discriminating!!!!
Wednesday, Jun 07, 2006 05:38P
Put away your victim cards and suck it up -- this is only the beginning!
Wednesday, Jun 07, 2006 09:30A
Is Kottle only after money? You mean like that woman who slept WILLINGLY with Kobe Bryant and then claimed she was raped and then exploited sexual harrassment laws to sue him for A LOT OF MONEY?
Wednesday, Jun 07, 2006 09:22A
Hyuk! That medicine tastes bitter doesn't it women?
Tuesday, Jun 06, 2006 11:47P
I am probably one of the minority of females that are anti-feminist and pro-masculinist. I personally feel uncomfortable about going to a co-ed gym. Not because men are staring, but because I am VERY SHY and feel self-concious when I'm all sweaty.
Tuesday, Jun 06, 2006 08:54P
The staff opinon of the Press Democrat seems to be, men who roll over when women shut down men's clubs and businesses are good, and men who are tired of it are bad. An exfeminist female once described feminist men as "psychologically castred" Amen.
Tuesday, Jun 06, 2006 06:19P
It simply does not matter if women like it or not. If we want equal rights, we must be willing to live in an EQUAL society - that includes some things we may not choose. Freedom is not a buffet - you can't pick and choose what you want.
Tuesday, Jun 06, 2006 04:42P
Women fought against sexual discrimination in the work place. They sited men and employers discriminate against women. Men and women work side by side in the work place so the lame excuse that women feel uncomfortable exercising around men is crap.
Tuesday, Jun 06, 2006 02:49P
Ideally, a private club should be able to discriminate as much as it wants, and the public market should provide a check against it. This was not changed by the men. It's time to take notice, women. Listen carefully: You can't have it both ways.
Tuesday, Jun 06, 2006 10:47A
I am a member of Body Central.I pay a high member fee to not HAVE MEN LOOKING AT ME,WHILE I WORK OUT!I shouldn't have to "get over it" If there wasn't a need for a "Private" gym,I would go to a co-ed gym!like men go to their "PRIVATE SOCIAL CLUBS!
Tuesday, Jun 06, 2006 08:56A
Just today I received an email form a woman who read a letter to the Seattle Times that I had writen a few years ago about this very subject. Her comment was "Well some women do not like to work out with men around to watch them." Ron Belec Seattle
Tuesday, Jun 06, 2006 08:04A
Ive been in gyms for the last ten years and men respect the women. The only people who gawk and oggle are the immature girls who exploit 'female privilege'. Ive never seen a man be disresepectful in a gym. Youve got a complex, women.
Tuesday, Jun 06, 2006 05:59A
So women aren't comfortable with men in their health club, yet they have the right to go in to mens locker rooms in professional sports while female athletes get respect and privacy. Your hypocritical double standards are being torn down, ladies!
Monday, Jun 05, 2006 10:13P
I agree that businesses should be able to choose how to market themselves. But it's high time that America's women feel what it's like to have THEIR barriers trampled through court rulings. What's good for the goose.......
Monday, Jun 05, 2006 08:22P
This isn't a trivial issue. As a male homemaker and full time dad, I regularly encounter sexism and discrimination in my "place of employment", i.e. the businesses, clubs etc. that cater to moms at home.
Monday, Jun 05, 2006 08:16P
Sauce for the gander is sauce for the goose. Personally, I think there is a place for single-sex gyms, but it has to cut both ways. If a state bans single sex businesses, that ban applies to women only gyms as much as male only social clubs.
Monday, Jun 05, 2006 08:16P
"Many times I have found men looking up and forward when their heads should be down. Men need to be in front." Really ? You would like to dictate what we look at and where we stand ? I don't think so. Get over it or stay home.
Monday, Jun 05, 2006 08:14P
Ok, sure. I think women should have to register for the draft just like men LEGALLY HAVE to and run the risk of being killed or maimed JUST LIKE WE DO. You want equality, ladies ? Come get it.
Monday, Jun 05, 2006 08:01P
I imagine when buses and lunch counters were desegrated in the South, it probably made some whites "uncomfortable." Too damn bad, but that is what equality is about. Get over it, ladies.
Monday, Jun 05, 2006 08:00P
I am really sorry that some women feel "uncomfortable" working out in the same space with men, but quite frankly, that is their problem, not mine. Their right to be "comfortable" does not trump my right to not be discriminated against.
Monday, Jun 05, 2006 07:08P
Thanks Kottle for exposing the double standard created by a feminist culture, especially in liberal California of all places. Many women have the entitlest attitude, so no they can explain it to the judge.
Monday, Jun 05, 2006 05:49P
Funny how many commentators talk about the advantages of 'segregated' environments, thinking these cannot apply to men. Guess what, there are always "good reasons" for discrimination, it has always been that way.
Monday, Jun 05, 2006 04:58P
So much nonsense. We either have both mens and womens gyms or entirely mixed. I don't care which but be consistant please. If women demand equal access to male facilities they cant expect the reverse to not happen. Anything else is pure hypocrisy.
Monday, Jun 05, 2006 04:38P
I'm just amazed at the hypocrisy of feminists who think it's ok for women but not men to exclude the other. Men often want separate sports clubs for the same reasons as women. Feminists are the biggest hypocrits on the face of the planet.
Monday, Jun 05, 2006 04:28P
What was this club thinking? It's the 21st Century in the most progressive state in the country, and this club discriminated against consumers based on sex. Unbelievable! I'm do tired of sexist anti-male double standards. Thank you Phil Kottle.
Monday, Jun 05, 2006 04:21P
What was this club thinking? It's the 21st Century in the most progressive state in the country, and this club discriminated against consumers based on sex. Unbelievable!
Monday, Jun 05, 2006 04:18P
A previous comment stated, "It's a business and should be able to serve or not serve anyone they want to." Er, okay. How about, "No Jews Allowed?" Or perhaps, "Whites Only." How slippery do you like your slopes, anyway?
Monday, Jun 05, 2006 04:16P
What was this club thinking? It's the 21st Century in the most progressive state in the country, and this business was discriminating against consumers based on sex. Unbelievable!
Monday, Jun 05, 2006 04:14P
"It's a business and should be able to serve or not serve anyone they want to." Er, okay. How about, "No Jews Allowed?"
Monday, Jun 05, 2006 04:13P
I think it is so sad that women don't understand what "equal rights" means: equal. And women don't "gawk" at men? Puh-leeze. If you feel uncomfortable around men, I have one bit of advice: get over it.
Monday, Jun 05, 2006 03:24P
I applaud this decision. Discrimination of any kind is wrong. Misandrist feminists have a double standard. It's discrimination if it works to their advantage but the minute they are held to the same standards, they pull out their victim gender card.
Monday, Jun 05, 2006 03:22P
I think everyone missed the point here. Body Central broke the law and tried to get around it. Kottle is not the problem but the law is. The right to privacy and association was severly curtailed with the overeactions of the feminist movement.
Monday, Jun 05, 2006 03:21P
I think everyone missed the point here. Body Central broke the law and tried to get around it. Kottle is not the problem but the law is. The right to privacy and association was severly curtailed with the overeactions of the feminist movement.
Monday, Jun 05, 2006 03:21P
I think everyone missed the point here. Body Central broke the law and tried to get around it. Kottle is not the problem but the law is. The right to privacy and association was severly curtailed with the overeactions of the feminist movement.
Monday, Jun 05, 2006 02:45P
"Everyone knows curves is for women" For Now! (evil laugh here)
Monday, Jun 05, 2006 02:43P
I am so glad that American women are finally beginning to realise that equality is a 2 way street. How could any rational person think that they could protest against men only golf clubs, but somehow women only gyms were ok? Touche
Monday, Jun 05, 2006 02:32P
We have been eroding the rights of business owners to sell their products and services how they want and to whom they want for a long time. Noble intentions or not, It was only a matter of time before an unpopular decision like this would be made.
Monday, Jun 05, 2006 01:35P
Maybe men didn't want women in their workout place? I wouldn't. I would feel insecure. But the feminazis fought against it anyway, and now that the situation is reversed, you complain? Ludicrous and hypocritical.
Monday, Jun 05, 2006 12:01P
Women in our society like to play both ends of the "game." When men have something they want, it's discrimination." When they have something they don't care to share it's "sisterhood." But would they really be able to hack equality?
Monday, Jun 05, 2006 12:01P
This can be considered to be tit-for-tat: It's cute to see how many women like good ol' discrimination when it suits them while they've been tight lipped in considering the feelings and needs of men. Welcome to equality ladies!
Monday, Jun 05, 2006 05:20A
Gyms are just the start. Just as women have been granted the right to the workplace, so too must we now grant men the right to be in the family.
Sunday, Jun 04, 2006 02:29P
This about petty, retaliatory bickering that punishes niche marketing while doing nothing to serve the greater good of anyone except one litigious man. The fight for equal rights, is the right to vote; equal pay; equal treatment under the law. This
Sunday, Jun 04, 2006 11:43A
It has nothing to do with "wanting" to join the grove, its just the fact that they would NEVER rule in favor of a women joining. But if a man wants in a women's establishment then they better clear the way.
Saturday, Jun 03, 2006 09:19P
MALE: Im for women having their own gym, same with men. SOLUTION: open a gym for only men, only women, and for everyone. Ill work out at home.
Saturday, Jun 03, 2006 08:22A
I can understand that women may want a "private" atmosphere, well so do men. Yet, we are sexists if we wish to have an all male club?? Typical hypocrisy, from the "progressives". You can't have it both ways people!
Saturday, Jun 03, 2006 06:10A
As a 72 year old I think this is (S) for stupid. I am male by the way. My wife goes to Curves and I won't even use the rest room there because it is for women.Do women who are trying to get in shape want a bunch of men lookoing at their bulges.
Saturday, Jun 03, 2006 05:55A
For every action there is an opposite and equal reaction. Surely the owner of the gym knew the law banning discrimination works both ways.
Saturday, Jun 03, 2006 12:35A
I love how everyone writes as if this is the post patriarchy. There is still a need for women only spaces. When there is true equality, women would not feel threatened to work in a coed gym and men would not feel a need to be threatening.
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 11:11P
Maybe a good concept business model would be to have one gym that is divided into two. Like there are men and womenýs restrooms, this gym could have men and womenýs sides, both with equal equipment. I'd like to see Kottle try and sue there.
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 11:02P
The reason I joined Body Central was because it was for women only- because I never felt uncomfortable working out in the women's-only gym vs. one that is co-ed. I certainly wouldn't want to share public restrooms with men!
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 10:52P
Who will these gyms be discriminating against next? In the 1970s, women had little problem coming into formerly all-male gyms. At a Sebastopol gym, my same-sex male partner (of 30 years) and I were told that the two-fer was only for married straights
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 10:26P
It's truly a shame that one sour apple can ruin the whole basket. Body Central is a phenomenal gym for Women. I won't be the same once males join. What a disappointment. Thank you Shannon for your strength in fighting this. We are truly grateful. =)
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 09:40P
I struggle with my weight every day of my life. I am made fun of and humiliated at co-ed gyms. Women's only fitness centers have allowed me to exercise with dignity. If I belonged to Body Central and a man showed up, I wouldn't feel safe anymore.
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 09:26P
Oh Please, there are SO many gyms that allow men. Why does Mr. Kottle feel the need to frequent a women's gym. Is it simply because he enjoys bringing lawsuits?
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 09:17P
This is not about Kottle; this is all about feminists, man hater, and macho women. Hope you like the taste of your own medicine. Remember Citadel!
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 08:53P
To them women who want to join the Bohemian Club: You want to hang out with those guys? You have issues.
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 08:51P
I joined Body Central because it was women only. Very mellow. If men want to have men-only gyms, fine. I think we're at a point where we can agree that men and women have different needs in different arenas.
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 08:45P
Wow! The hypocrisy on this board is astounding. When it was men who wanted a "place of their own", women went to court to change that, but when the shoe is on the other foot...
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 08:37P
"Hey ladies, we were the ones who fought for equality. Now we wonder why men dont hold open doors, be gentlemen and now join our gyms. We created this, deal with it." Amen.
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 08:35P
Two lawsuits in two years against women-only gyms, one in Petaluma and one in Santa Rosa????? This man needs a different hobby!!!!
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 08:01P
To the beautiful women of Sonoma County, this character does not reflect how all of us men feel. I more than support a women's only gym, keep it going. Kottle is actually an appropriate name, because that is probably what he has been, koddled.
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 07:54P
One man in a gym full of women? I smell sitcom! What is Peter Scolari doing these days?
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 06:50P
This is ridiculous! Find your own gym!!!
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 06:24P
Hey what goes around comes around
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 06:14P
Hey ladies, we were the ones who fought for equality. Now we wonder why men dont hold open doors, be gentlemen and now join our gyms. We created this, deal with it.
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 06:13P
I won't speculate about Mr. Kottle's motives, and I don't even care to know what they are. The bottom line is this: If you wish to destroy male-only space in society, you have no right to complain if a backlash eventually sets in.
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 06:05P
If women have issues about working out near men then they need to deal with them instead of hiding in women only gyms. And it's true that a men's only gym would never be accepted. Women should step back and take a reality check.
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 05:37P
It's unfortunate that both men & women are so petty that they cannot allow each sex to have their own organizations. Men should be able to have their own clubs and organizations and women the same.
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 05:31P
I don't think this about descrimination, it's about how much money and/or attention this Kottle person can claim. reluctently, I agree with the ruling-equal rights for all (is he having a identity crisis?).
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 05:25P
Women are always fighting for their rights to be part of the "mans" world, this is no different!! Now if we can just infiltrate the Ms. America pageant, dang, we will have made it big.
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 05:24P
the only reason there are women only gym's to begin with is because there is a real need -- men have demonstrated repeatedly that they can't keep their eyes to themselves in a co-ed gym. The "equal" response: throw them out when they misbehave.
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 05:19P
If Kottle gets this much attention he should try for peace in the world. A world where everyone is kind and considerate.
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 04:59P
Equality is a two way street ladies, deal with it.
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 04:42P
Please, get over it already. If a man tried to create a male only gym, it wouldn't even get city approval. Bias is bias, no matter how you paint it.
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 04:23P
Women reporters are allowed in men's locker rooms but not visa versa. This indeed is a rare victory for men these days!
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 04:15P
I think this is absolutely ridiculous!!!! Whether we want to admit it or NOT, men and woman will never be the same. Phillip Kottle, is MONEY HUNGREY/SUE HUNGREY, there are approximately 510 fitness clubs in the Santa Rosa area and KOTTLE HAS/NEEDS
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 04:03P
This just proves it's still a "man's world". How many women are allowed to join the Bohemian Club? Wake up girls.....maybe we need a 1,000,000 women march???
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 04:01P
Men should be allowed in women's gyms only if they wear pink leotards and 'Flashdance' leg warmers.
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 03:42P
Fine, then you just make darned sure under the same stroke of the pen, you open the BOHEMIAN club to women huh? oh that's different? baloney!!!!!!!!!
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 03:33P
A lot of women are uncomfortable working out around strangers, especially men. This guy needs to get a life.
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 03:31P
It seems Kottle wanted be awarded damages in being prevented to join a woman's gym, since there is an abundance of gyms he could have joined. I heard the gym is now closing due to compliance created financial difficulties. So sad.
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 03:29P
If there were adults involved in this story it might be newsworthy! Signed: Archie Bunker
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 03:19P
And why can't this guy go to Gold's Gym, which is just a block away?! He's crazy, he's sue-happy, and he just wants attention.
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 03:18P
Women are not like men, they generally do not like to show off their body, at least the majority, we've got weight issues, and don't want to share them with men. This guy isn't comfortable at Gold's gym, Why is that?
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 03:07P
I became a member of the gym because it is for women. I don't want to work out where men are grunting and sweating. Plus, when it is only woman working out there is a more relazed atmosphere because we don't have to worry about what we are wearing.
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 02:32P
Wow! I only wish people had this much interest in their local community welfare,government officals and their doings.... we may not have to worry about the Kottles trying to get into women's gym. He's either trying to make point or is a women hatr.
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 02:31P
Have we as Americans no private spaces left, where we can exercise our right to associate with persons of our choosing without the government telling us (no! forcing us!) whom we must spend time with?
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 02:30P
we live in a law suit/I want money state. this does not surprise me. Hope he got what he wanted.
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 02:18P
I think it is a dumb idea to open the club up to men. Women dont always want to go to the gym and feel uncomfortable because there are men around checking them out.
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 02:17P
What's Next? Heck, you might see girls playing Little League, girls being doctors, girls flying planes, girls being cops, girls playing football....girls can't have it both ways!
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 02:12P
Now if only somebody would take on those sexist night clubs that admit ladies free while charging men. Isn't this 2006?
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 02:11P
What sexism - Questioning his sexuality in a derogatory manner, do you think Shannon would like it if someone did that to her?
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 02:08P
I'm a guy, and I think Kottle is not right here, but Women faught a legal battle to be members of Men-Only clubs and won... I understand the ladies want to not be watched while working out. Equal is equal
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 02:03P
I have to wonder what the outcome would be if the judge presided this lawsuit is a woman. How would that affect the outcome?
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 01:54P
What is with this guy!?!? Like there aren't any other gyms he can go to? Being a woman I sometimes hate working out with the guys. Can't we have our own space to work out!?!
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 01:53P
So what is going to be attacked next? Girls Scouts? Brownies? This is getting way out of hand. I prefer to work out where I am not being ogled by men.
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 01:52P
Kottle must not have a life, why cause trouble for these women, they're not bothering him. I like the fact that they have these clubs, they're great for my mom and wife who don't feel comfortable at a mixed club. I question Kottles manhood.
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 01:49P
Are any of you complaining, the same group who demand equal access to men's clubs etc? If so SHUP UP hypocrites. For the record Kottle is a goof but he is only playing the game the left created.
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 01:49P
Legally, I think the club should allow Kottle to be a member. But they should NOT be forced to provide a separate locker room and shower faciliites! That type of expense could put a small business OUT of business. Grow up, Kottle!
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 01:46P
Give me a break. This is a sad testimonial to the ridiculousness of our society. Political correctness, sexual equality gone too far! Get a life Kottle! Liberation movement come full circle?
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 01:36P
You want equal rights, you got it.
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 01:21P
I don't see what the problem is with a women's only gym (I disagree with the law). As a man, I understand that women would feel more comfortable at a gym that specifically met their needs. People like Kottle just want to stir things up.
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 01:20P
I used to work at Body Central five years ago and it is where I lost 40 pounds. I have since been to every other gym in SR and BC is still the best and cleanest. It has the best atmosphere where a woman does not have to feel gawked at by men.
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 12:59P
Sounds like people here want the law to apply only when it suits them or their own selfishness. I wonder if Rosa Parks would have felt this way?
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 12:55P
I use to belong to Body Central Gym and enjoyed the fact it was a women's only Gym because I had just had a baby and liked the daycare room. There are plenty of coed gyms in Sonoma County, so why can't Kottle just go to one of those? The YMCA?!
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 12:52P
Wow. People have alot to say about this. Kottle get a real life. There are many places where you can make the ladies uncomfortable. Leave Body Central Folk alone. They meant you no harm.
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 12:51P
Shame on Kottle- I hope the women of Body Central make his workout miserable with threatening remarks and dirty looks. Wait, that must be what he wants. Does he belong to every gym he's sued? Or just Body Central?
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 12:36P
I joined Curves because there is no way I would exercise in front of any man. That would be an embarrassment and I would feel uncomfortable. He has no right to make women feel bad and that is what he is doing!
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 12:34P
This guy could join every other gym in the county. Why ruin the one place where women who are uncomfortable in a co-ed environment whle they work out can feel safe? Gender separation is totally appropriate here.
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 12:33P
Body Central only has one locker room. It isn't equipped to handle both sexes, and frankly, in a place where ppl get sweaty and naked in hot tubs and saunas, what's wrong with a small amount of gender separation?
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 12:30P
I used to be a member of body central. I loved being able to go to a gym and know that only women were there. It made me feel more free and comfortable.
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 12:23P
Fair is fair. Men have been forced to open "men only" clubs up to women so now women are feeling the true effects of "EQUALITY". Yes, I AM WOMAN.
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 12:10P
In today's society with sex crimes rape at an all time high. I DO Believe Women Only or Men only gyms should be allowed. There are so many gyms in this county, that are very reasonbly priced and have new clean facilities. This man is inconsiderate
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 12:03P
Mr. Kottle must lack the companionship of a woman. No MAN i know would go to such lenghs to be in the presents of a bunch of woman working out. You have to feel sorry for this poor soul!
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 11:50A
Legally he should be allowed to attend, but I disagree that they should have to provide additional facilities (locker room & shower) for him. If he's not happy with the facilities provided AS IS, he should take his business elsewhere.
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 11:37A
I am a member of Curves and while the women are friendly, the person who said that we don't go there to work out is wrong. I lost 70lbs and am in the best shape I have been in 30 yrs, but I wouldn't have started if I had to work out w/men.
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 11:21A
Kottle, get a life and go work out somewhere else. I think the only thing you're exercising in this facility is your EYE muscles! Women AND men should have the right to separate health clubs. If a few weirdos don't fit in, oh well!
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 11:15A
It appears that Kottle is more concerned with self-promotion than what anti-discrimination laws were initially designed for; to empower the disenfranchised. Shame on Kottle and those that pursue lawsuits to serve their narrow purpose.
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 11:15A
i like sweaty women
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 11:13A
Like this was the only club this turkey could join. I believe that both men and women should be able to join ýgender exclusiveý health clubs. Hereýs to hoping that some body-builder husband gives Kottle an athletic exercise workout in the parking lot
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 11:10A
My bothers' tree fort was for him and his friends.. Sign posted GIRLS NOT Allowed.. sometimes, we all want to have as our own. I think body central is one of those places 4 the ladies. It is simple as that. He made his point, but WHY?
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 11:02A
Tell this guy to take a hike! The guy is just looking for attention.
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 10:58A
To the woman who posted twice about Curves being only a place that women go to chat, don't you think that depends on the woman? Don't paint us all with the same brush, in just 3 short months with Curves I've lost 18.5 lbs, 27 inches & 19% body fat.
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 10:55A
Equality is not a word that women should throw around when they want something their way. Time and time women think they can complain and bash men...but when the tables get turned, they moan and groan that they want a place of their own. GET REAL..
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 10:50A
Well I think that us as women want to join men only places,such as boy scouts ,military, gyms etc...so if we want to exclude them from of our women only places then leave them alone about thier men only places. it's a double standard.
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 10:42A
This is crazy who cares if there is a womens health club, and I am a man who belongs to a SR health club. If women desire to work out by themselves why not the club has been there for many years and only one person has complained. Please
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 10:33A
Kottle's case is a sad twist on the true meaning of anti-discrimination laws. They originated from empowering disenfranchised groups. Shame on you Kottle and those men and others who seek to self-promote under the guise of seeking equality.
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 10:33A
Seems like this guy just wants attention. Hey Phil, give everyone a break and go to the co-ed gym down the block! Find something of real importance to complain about instead of tying up the legal system with trivial lawsuits.
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 10:28A
I quit Body Central because I was hit on by women, now they have men too?? That's it..I'm officially a couch potato. Besides, men seem to stare instead of working out there. There goes the neighborhood.
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 10:27A
Kottle also only seems to use the Calf machine near the window of the locker room and the eliptical machine which I'm sure is avail. at any other gym.
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 10:24A
arent there enough mens only clubs fitness or not out there. He needs to get over it and come out of the closet!!
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 10:22A
I think there should be women only health clubs as long as men only health clubs are allowed to exist. It wasn't too long ago that the courts ordered men only clubs to open up to women. Now the shoe is on the other foot. Fair is fair.
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 10:15A
wow
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 10:13A
I can't beleive this guy. There are plenty of other gym's he could go to that are co-ed. In fact gold's is just across the parkinglot from Body Central! I guess he wouldn't be able to handle a men's gym!
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 10:10A
I can not belive this guy...Just likes to create problems I guess. Does he not have anything better to do? I was a member of Body Central for 5 years and loved it! (moved out of area). I feel for the owner of this club. Good luck to you!!!
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 10:09A
It's seems that a private club should be able to admit - or not- whomever they wish, with or without a reason. To bad California law doesn't permit this. (Posted by a male reader of the Press Demo web site.)
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 10:05A
When all the women quit this gym because they don't want to work out w/ men, what will happen? Can the gym's owner then sue Kottle for loss of income due to his frivilous lawsuit?
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 10:00A
'First of all a lot is two words not one. Secondly I am a woman who joined curves years ago and found it to be a place where women gathered to chat not to work out. You want a work out go to a real gym. I thought women had come further than this!
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 09:58A
Bohemian grove isn't a business- it's a private club. As the article explains, state law prohibiting gender-exclusion applies to businesses. A men's only gym would be a lightning rod for suits like this. Guess it hurts when the knife cuts both ways.
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 09:52A
I work out at this gym and the only reason I joined was to get a work out without all the "muscle heads" trying to pick on me. Why can't we have a sanctuary of our own?
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 09:49A
What about the Bohemian Grove, which does not allow women members? If he's so concerned about equal opportunities, why hasn't Kottle filed a complaint with the DFEH so that women can get membership there?
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 09:49A
I approve of women only gyms. I have tried 24hr. and Stan Bennets and found that I could not use the weight machines because men hog them. At a womens only gym I was able to use the weight equipment without being glared at by men wanting me to move.
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 09:49A
I think that this guy having problem working out around other men. And that is why he wants to joint the woman gym.
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 09:45A
Welcome to California. When you live in State, especially the Bay Area, you can't cry foul when the general liberality comes back to bit you in the behind.
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 09:44A
This is absolutely ridiculous! There's a co-ed gym just a block away. Why can't the bone-head go there? The reason I don't go to a gym, though I would like to, is that it's very uncomfortable to work out w/men, who tend to be vulgar & disrespectful.
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 09:43A
I think this is rediculous. I am a woman and I expect to be treated equally at any facility I enter. I would expect the same for men. As a woman it is shameful,we disgrace ourselves when we have worked so hard for equality, only when it suits us.
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 09:42A
Now women have no right to have a place to call their own? That is discrimmination!! This man has a problem. He doesn't work out, he stares and probably prays that he will find a woman who feels sorry for him! Now the gym will have to close!
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 09:35A
I think it's great to have gyms for women only. There are plenty of men-only clubs.
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 09:33A
People like Phillip Kottle are the reason women want a gym of there own.
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 09:28A
Working out around other women can be anxiety producing enough, many women won't even GO to a gym with men. We have mens and womens sports teams, why not gyms? There is no lack of gyms, and women's gyms aren't cheaper. Guys just want to show off.
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 09:22A
I PRAY THEY DONT LET MEN INTO THIS GYM, THERE IS SUCH AN EASY ATMOSPHERE BECAUSE THERE IS NO COMPITITION, THERES A FEELING OF SUPORT AND COMRADERY
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 09:20A
There are numerous gyms that are open to both men & women in Santa Rosa & some that are even new. Sometimes women are intimidated by going to the gym & feel safe in a womenýs fitness club. This guy is just looking for trouble and needs to get a life
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 09:17A
All women gyms should be available for those who do not want men looking at every move they make. I have been to some gyms where men just cannot help but stare at the women. I would much rather work out with peace of mind that no male is watchingme
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 09:09A
my experience with men at exercise classes is that they tend to reside in the back of the room. This enables them stare at womens backsides. Many times I have found men looking up and forward when their heads should be down. Men need to be in front.
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 09:05A
Considering our schools are in crisis. This is a great way to use up our tax dollars!!
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 09:03A
It's obvious that Mr. Kottle is more concerned with self-promotion and easy payouts than with trully looking for a place to workout. If he took but a moment to use his greedy head, he would recognize the need for such facilities.
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 08:42A
Does this mean wemon can have a legal right to the bohemian grove?
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 08:27A
I used to be a member at 24 hour fitness in Petaluma. After several incidences of harassment by male members with no help from the staff in curbing the problem I left and joined Elan where I can exercise in peace. Where is the law that protects women
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 07:53A
I don't see this as a man/woman issue. As business owners you should have a right to include or exlude whoever they want. Mr. Kottle needs to get a life and move on, his actions could very well put the gym out of business. Find another gym Kottle.
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 07:48A
I'm a 27 year old male and I understand why there is women only gyms and Im fine with it. Not every women wants to go to the gym and get picked up by some sweaty 30 something looking for a date.
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 07:19A
This is another example of how ridiculous things have gotten. It's a business and should be able to serve or not serve anyone they want to. This guy obviously has nothing better to do with his time except to look for business owners to sue.
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 07:05A
I can't imagine a man or woman insisting on belonging to another sex's "gym"! I also can't understand a man wanting to look like a woman, or take on her roll that she was designed by God for, either. We are made differently by God, and that's ok.
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 06:34A
hahahaaahha! Liberal politics biting Sonoma County back in the butt!
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 06:32A
Wow! If the tables were turned there would be blood on the streets of Santa Rosa! Women need to look at how feminism is no longer about equality but about bashing men...be careful, women....
Friday, Jun 02, 2006 05:43A
Good! Wymyn will now taste their own medicine (Augusta hill nonsense anyone?)
