Why wait for conception?

Sher, I can't recall the year but prions made the cover of Time magazine. Just trivia. P.
 
Excellent rabbit today, Perdita.

Poor little bastards are lined up on "the Green Mile" right now - death row; the small-animal pens at your local pet shop. Wish them sweet dreams and bearable torture in the sweaty little hands of our most precious resource.

In other words, moms and dads please don't buy the kids a bunny for Easter and hope that they'll learn to take care of it. The pets of small children have short, miserable lives. Even the pets of animal-loving kids like yours. Get them something that can climb the curtains and get away.

perdita said:
Sher, I can't recall the year but prions made the cover of Time magazine. Just trivia. P.
 
Colleen Thomas said:
ya like my bunnies? I'm kinda proud of em :)

*HUGS*

hope you truly are feeling better :)

-Colly

Don't hug too hard, you'll smudge their noses.

:D
 
Sher, that's my bunny, Petya. I got him for free, but today paid really big bucks to fix his teeth so that he could keep eating and stay alive. He's a sweetie but I've already started making him feel guilty for the vet bill. I guess that makes him a Christian rabbit (or maybe Jewish, not sure; though he is definitely Russian).

Perdita
 
perdita said:
Sher, that's my bunny, Petya. I got him for free, but today paid really big bucks to fix his teeth so that he could keep eating and stay alive. He's a sweetie but I've already started making him feel guilty for the vet bill. I guess that makes him a Christian rabbit (or maybe Jewish, not sure; though he is definitely Russian).

He's a magnificent rabbit, and if you want somebody to berate you for having his teeth fixed, you're barking up the wrong...burrow. I once had a lovebird with a rare condition that caused his beak to grow at a hyper-accelerated rate so that it had to be trimmed by the vet with a metal file. Otherwise, the bird would have become unable to eat, plus his beak would have curled around right into his chin. But try telling that to a bird being gone over with a metal file...

:(

I hope the rabbit understands. The bird just thought we liked filing his beak.
 
We had to have the dog's nails trimmed by the vet. At $40 bucks a pop every few weeks, it was still worth it. She had a major issue with having her feet touched. The only times she would ever snap at me was if I was trying to do something to her feet.

Per their request, we only scheduled appointments to get her nails trimmed during the week (Saturdays are busy) and only the first or last appointment of the day. Why? Because it took everyone in the damned office to do it. There's nothing quite like an 85 lb pit bull with an anti-foot fetish to gather a crowd. :rolleyes:

Gawd, I miss her. :(
 
snooper said:
You had better believe that there are people out there advocating just that.

Good point. We forget sometimes.

:(

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Min, I don't know about pit bulls, but I know you can turn a 26-lb. cocker spaniel into six cocker spaniels by trying to clip her nails. I think it's because they know we think we're going to cut a vein. They can see it in our "no-problem" phony smiles. I don't know what the deal is with ear medicine. Come near this pup with ear medicine and she's Lon Chaney on a Rogaine high with a steroids chaser. By the time she's done with me, one of us has a face full of ear drops and the other one is on the sofa. Weeks later, it's hard to remember which was which.
 
shereads said:
I don't have a clue what a prion is, and I'm too excited to look it up right now because you raised the "is a virus alive" issue. Wanna hijack the thread and talk about something really wierd and scary? (It's my thread, and I say let's hijack it!)

Let's talk viruses and whether they're alive and whether we're just here to give them something to graze on.

Topic: "The Demon in the Freezer," the story of smallpox and its close-but-no-cigar near-annihilation during the 1970s.

Tell me about prions, too.

Show off, please. I love this stuff.

rgraham666 pulls out a gun and demands, "Take this thread to Chicago!"

shereads replies, "It's already going to Chicago."

"Oh. In that case." rgraham666 sits back down in his seat, with his usual look of befuddlement.

Thanks, you've been a great audience. I'm here until Sunday.
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Ok, having gotten the silliness out of my system, I don't think viruses are alive. The only function of life they perform is reproduction. And that in a manner no other thing does, to my knowledge. They don't eat, shit or breathe, which takes 'em out of the living category, as far as I'm concerned.

A fascinating question is the evolution of viruses. Did they exist before life or did they evolve after life? And where did they come from? Did they evolve from some type of near-life or were they an already simple form of life that dumped some of life's function when they became unnecessary? I have no idea but it would be fun to find out.

As far as prions go, they are self-replicating proteins, that so far as I know, cause disease. I've never heard of a benevolent or neutral one. But I only know of three.

You are probably familiar with one, the one that causes BSE, Bovine Spongiform Encephalpathy in cows and vCJD, variant Creutzfeld Jakob Disease in humans. It's more commonly known as Mad Cow Disease.

There is another prion disease I know of, kuru or laughing sickness. It exists only in New Guinea, and is passed through cannibalism, most especially the eating of the brains and sexual organs of it's victims. Kuru was much more common amongst women and children as the brains and naughty bits were considered junk meat and the men got the 'choice cuts' while the women and children got the leftovers. The disease is called laughing sickness because the victims can't stop laughing.

They must have been eating one another for a long time for a disease to evolve to take advantage of it.

The third prion I know of causes scrapie in sheep.

You may regret asking me to show off sher. I'm one of the worst on the planet.

Ask me about the zombie snails sometime.

P.S. I've read Demon In The Freezer. I felt like a character in a Tom Clancy novel. "He didn't believe in Hell, but he had just seen the door to it cracked open."

A classic example of how intelligence and ethics are two completely different things.
 
snooper said:


Every issue has it's extremists. Themore controversial the issue, the farther out there the lunatic fringe is.

Abortion is an issue that polarises people. It's hard to find someone with a "moderate" view and even those who begin with one, generally end up becomeing more radical/reactionary after dealing with the most vocal of the two sides, as hte most vocal are generally the most extreme.

My post was meant to be tongue in cheek irony, it's kinda strange to find a statement made for the purpose of provoking a little laughter actually mirriors the position some people hold.

Odd that.

-Colly
 
rgraham666 said:
rgraham666 pulls out a gun and demands, "Take this thread to Chicago!"

shereads replies, "It's already going to Chicago."

"Oh. In that case." rgraham666 sits back down in his seat, with his usual look of befuddlement.

Thanks, you've been a great audience. I'm here until Sunday.
___________________________

Ok, having gotten the silliness out of my system, I don't think viruses are alive. The only function of life they perform is reproduction. And that in a manner no other thing does, to my knowledge. They don't eat, shit or breathe, which takes 'em out of the living category, as far as I'm concerned.

A fascinating question is the evolution of viruses. Did they exist before life or did they evolve after life? And where did they come from? Did they evolve from some type of near-life or were they an already simple form of life that dumped some of life's function when they became unnecessary? I have no idea but it would be fun to find out.

As far as prions go, they are self-replicating proteins, that so far as I know, cause disease. I've never heard of a benevolent or neutral one. But I only know of three.

You are probably familiar with one, the one that causes BSE, Bovine Spongiform Encephalpathy in cows and vCJD, variant Creutzfeld Jakob Disease in humans. It's more commonly known as Mad Cow Disease.

There is another prion disease I know of, kuru or laughing sickness. It exists only in New Guinea, and is passed through cannibalism, most especially the eating of the brains and sexual organs of it's victims. Kuru was much more common amongst women and children as the brains and naughty bits were considered junk meat and the men got the 'choice cuts' while the women and children got the leftovers. The disease is called laughing sickness because the victims can't stop laughing.

They must have been eating one another for a long time for a disease to evolve to take advantage of it.

The third prion I know of causes scrapie in sheep.

You may regret asking me to show off sher. I'm one of the worst on the planet.

Ask me about the zombie snails sometime.

P.S. I've read Demon In The Freezer. I felt like a character in a Tom Clancy novel. "He didn't believe in Hell, but he had just seen the door to it cracked open."

A classic example of how intelligence and ethics are two completely different things.

A virus is a strand of genetic code, usually Rna, but sometimes Dna. Covered in a protein coat. The cells in the protien coat are alive an with some viri, like HIV, constantly mutating. It seems likely that Viri didn't exist until there were hosts from which to take the genetic code.

To me Viri perfectly illustrate the question of alive or not, for they really live in the gray area between life and not life. While actively functioning in a host cell, they seem to be alive, while "free floating" they seem to be unalive. They are fascinating little boogers.

-Colly
 
perdita said:
Despite the images conjured forth, I want to know.

There's a parasite that lives in a particular species of snail.

The parasite, as I recall, eats a great deal of the snail but leaves the brain and a lot of the musculature intact. The parasite takes over the brain of the snail and forces it to climb to the top of grass stems. Normally the snail stays under that canopy of the grass. The attenae of the snail also become swollen and colourful.

Being out in the open and colourful, attracts the attention of birds who come down and eat the snail. The parasites move through the bird's ailimentary tract until they are shit out the other end.

Then a snail wanders over the shit, some of the parasites infect the snail and the cycle starts all over.

I call them zombie snails because I've seen pictures. And the infected snails look like they were designed by George Romero. Eee-yuck!
 
Colleen? Is the protein coat of a virus alive? Does it take in food and oxygen and excrete waste products?

That's why I don't regard virii as alive. So far as I know, all the energy required to drive the chemical processes of replication come from the host cell.

Hmm. An interesting thought has occurred to me. Does anyone know if there are any organisms that go through a viral stage of their life cycle?

I know some protozoans and bacteria go through a cycle of encystation when times get tough. And as I recall, slime molds go through a stage where they are single celled spores.

Although it sounds unlikely, maybe there are organisms that go from virus to living and back again.

We are talking Mother Nature here. And who would belive in zombies snails?
 
rg, thanks, that was very interesting. You're an interesting bloke.

Perdita
 
Thank you ladies.

Always glad to be of service. Anything else I can do? (nudge, nudge, wink, wink, say no more)

On another topic, I've just finished my first story for here on Lit.

I'm going to spend tomorrow hand polishing it (after I spend the afternoon cleaning up the detrius winter has left on my lawn) and probably submit it tomorrow night.
 
rgraham666 said:
You are probably familiar with one, the one that causes BSE, Bovine Spongiform Encephalpathy in cows and vCJD, variant Creutzfeld Jakob Disease in humans. It's more commonly known as Mad Cow Disease.

Us purists prefer to call it variant Creutzfelt Jakob Disease, or "The Creutz-ster."

There is another prion disease I know of, kuru or laughing sickness. It exists only in New Guinea, and is passed through cannibalism, most especially the eating of the brains and sexual organs of it's victims.

Alrighty then! Who else has been hoping for a backgammon tournament?

Kuru was much more common amongst women and children as the brains and naughty bits were considered junk meat

That alone is startling.

:confused:
and the men got the 'choice cuts' while the women and children got the leftovers. The disease is called laughing sickness because the victims can't stop laughing.

They must have been eating one another for a long time for a disease to evolve to take advantage of it.

The third prion I know of causes scrapie in sheep.

You may regret asking me to show off sher. I'm one of the worst on the planet.

Ask me about the zombie snails sometime.

The zombie snail...Is it really the living dead? Or does it just suffer from its own belief in the curse?

P.S. I've read Demon In The Freezer. I felt like a character in a Tom Clancy novel. "He didn't believe in Hell, but he had just seen the door to it cracked open."

Oh yeah? Well I didn't say it was well written, Mister Fancy Science Man, just that it scared the beejeezus out of me and is highly recommended on audio if you need to keep your eyes open for a long drive on the Fla. Turnpike. Ditto its predecessor, The Hot Zone, which I happened to have been reading while waiting to visit someone at a post-surgery unit at a metropolitan hospital. Some guy - another visitor waiting to visit the patients - sneezed, then coughed, then ran from the waiting room with his hand over his mouth just as the first of those ebola monkeys asked for a second opinion at the Centers for Disease Control...It was an eye-opener, with the added special effects.
 
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rgraham666 said:
Thank you ladies.

Always glad to be of service. Anything else I can do? (nudge, nudge, wink, wink, say no more)

On another topic, I've just finished my first story for here on Lit.

I'm going to spend tomorrow hand polishing it (after I spend the afternoon cleaning up the detrius winter has left on my lawn) and probably submit it tomorrow night.

Anything to do with laughing disease?

:confused:

Do you know what's in lawn detritus?
 
rgraham666 said:
Does anyone know if there are any organisms that go through a viral stage of their life cycle?

There was a guy at the Sorry/Political/Asses thread a few months back, who seemed likely to reproduce by splitting himself into twos or fours. He eventually said he couldn't post anymore because he was going to Vienna. They don't get this channel over there.
 
rgraham666 said:
There's a parasite that lives in a particular species of snail.

The parasite, as I recall, eats a great deal of the snail but leaves the brain and a lot of the musculature intact. The parasite takes over the brain of the snail and forces it to climb to the top of grass stems. Normally the snail stays under that canopy of the grass. The attenae of the snail also become swollen and colourful.

Being out in the open and colourful, attracts the attention of birds who come down and eat the snail. The parasites move through the bird's ailimentary tract until they are shit out the other end.

Then a snail wanders over the shit, some of the parasites infect the snail and the cycle starts all over.

I call them zombie snails because I've seen pictures. And the infected snails look like they were designed by George Romero. Eee-yuck!

Have you seen Romero Britto's snails? This is art?
 
perdita said:
Sher, I can't recall the year but prions made the cover of Time magazine. Just trivia. P.

I thought that was Mother Theresa. My bad.
 
rgraham666 said:
The parasites move through the bird's ailimentary tract until they are shit out the other end.

Then a snail wanders over the shit, some of the parasites infect the snail and the cycle starts all over.

On a somber note, haven't we all had days at work like this?

:(
 
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