Why the $15 minimum wage will cost California 400,000 jobs

[Queefer]

Queefy could use the raise.

 

[Rightguide]

Which would do no good for anybody.

Why not?

 

[Que]

They won't even get up to go vote them out of office...what makes you think they will show up and hang anyone?




And I bet you blame the Walton family for it don't ya?

It is such a ridiculous argument. As if all of those workers would not be a bigger burden to the state if they didn't have jobs at all.

A job is only worth what the guy behind you is willing to do it for if you are shown the door.

 

[BotanyBoy]

They are to blame.

HOW???

When did the Walton family start passing a bunch of welfare policies in DC and state capitals??

Last I checked politicians, our elected leadership, our government, was the ONLY body of people in the land with the authority to do so.

Not the Walton family. They just take advantage of poorly written laws from left in a country designed for capitalism.

It is such a ridiculous argument. As if all of those workers would not be a bigger burden to the state if they didn't have jobs at all.

A job is only worth what the guy behind you is willing to do it for if you are showin the door.

They think a job is a right and as such should pay enough to live the good life!

Based on ......

 

[Sean Renaud]

While you know the Waltons did in fact pass those laws there is no connection between the two. You've gone so stupid that it's like you said when did Microsoft pass agriculture law.

 

[BotanyBoy]

While you know the Waltons did in fact pass those laws there is no connection between the two.

No I don't.

Last I checked senators and representatives pass laws....governors and presidents sign off on their execution.

Not the Walton family....who is just capitalizing on the shit job the government is doing.

You've gone so stupid that it's like you said when did Microsoft pass agriculture law.

Said the man claiming the Walton family created and passed welfare policy across the USA.....LMFAO

I'm not the one claiming corporations are out here writing and passing laws....YOU are.

 

[Sean Renaud]

I know you aren't this stupid. So stop helping the enemy.

 

[Rightguide]

I know you aren't this stupid. So stop helping the enemy.

The enemy?

 

[Sean Renaud]

The rich.

 

[Rightguide]

The rich.

Who do you define as the rich and why are they the "enemy?"

 

[Sean Renaud]

For the moment billionaires. We'll walk it back eventually but we have to start somewhere. They are the enemy because they aren't trying to make this country work.

 

[BotanyBoy]

I know you aren't this stupid.

I'm just asking you to explain your statement.

If the Waltons are responsible for our welfare policy and passed the laws that allow them to take advantage then you're going to do better than calling me stupid to back up such " You KNOW Microsoft pass agriculture law." type claims.

Can you explain the Waltons are passing and even better yet enforcing laws anywhere in the USA?

Or you could just admit that the ULTIMATE AUTHORITY in the matter, the beloved government, is responsible for the policies that they not only pass but enforce?

So stop helping the enemy.

The enemy?

 

[BotanyBoy]

For the moment billionaires. They are the enemy because they aren't trying to make this country work.

Define "make this country work"....what does that mean to you?

And why is it their job, not the governments, to do such a task?

How is Oprah stopping the country from working?

 

[Sean Renaud]

Define "make this country work"....what does that mean to you?

And why is it their job, not the governments, to do such a task?

How is Oprah stopping the country from working?

Is she even a billionaire? Even if she were the fact that there are exceptions to the rule doesn't make the rule wrong. That's a place we all need to start with. You having a black friend doesn't make you not a racist and Elon Musk supporting higher taxes doesn't make billionaires good guys.

And it's their job because they live here but that's too complicated for you.

 

[Rightguide]

For the moment billionaires. We'll walk it back eventually but we have to start somewhere. They are the enemy because they aren't trying to make this country work.

Would the world and the country work better without Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, or the like? How?

 

[Sean Renaud]

You specifically choose two good ones? No. We're not playing that both of them have pushed to raise their own taxes.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Is she even a billionaire?

Yep.

Beyonce and JayZ as a couple broke a billion.

Dr. Dre alone is a billionaire...so is Michael Jordan....and quite a few other black people if you care to google "black billionaires".

Shit almost all of the richest black people on Earth are in the most racist, oppressive white supremacist Nazi Nation on the planet....AmeriKKKa.

Imagine that

Even if she were the fact that there are exceptions to the rule doesn't make the rule wrong.

It makes it not a rule first off.

And you haven't even defined what the rule is.

What makes billionaires the bad guys? Exactly....

That's a place we all need to start with.

The assumption that rich people are evil because the government is doing a shit job?

That's an INSANE place to start.

And it's their job because they live here but that's too complicated for you.

And by that measure it's not anymore their job than yours or mine.

But that's too complicated for you.

So I ask again....what makes it their job and not the governments ?

Especially considering that is the governments EXPLICIT mandate?

 

[warrior queen]

Tough shit, they should educate themselves and seek out better employment.

This arguement is trotted out constantly.
'Educate yourself and get a better job!'
Two issues come to mind - first, when you're earning so little, it is practically impossible to be able to afford to go to school....time off work for study means more poverty and money for fees etc is simply not there after paying living expenses, and - second, somebody has to do those low-paying jobs.
Are you seriously saying that people who work in the lower socio-economic roles, even if they are working 40 hours plus a week, are not entitled to earn enough money to live on?

 

[Sean Renaud]

Yep.

Beyonce and JayZ as a couple broke a billion.

Dr. Dre alone is a billionaire...so is Michael Jordan....and quite a few other black people if you care to google "black billionaires".

Shit almost all of the richest black people on Earth are in the most racist, oppressive white supremacist Nazi Nation on the planet....AmeriKKKa.

Imagine that



It makes it not a rule first off.

And you haven't even defined what the rule is.

What makes billionaires the bad guys? Exactly....



The assumption that rich people are evil because the government is doing a shit job?

That's an INSANE place to start.



And by that measure it's not anymore their job than yours or mine.

But that's too complicated for you.

So I ask again....what makes it their job and not the governments ?

Especially considering that is the governments EXPLICIT mandate?

All of this is false and you should just stop posting.

Entertainers aren't the people we are complaining about for the most part. Also most don't make that much.

Yes it is my job and your job. At the moment that you pretend that you're job isn't keeping your house in order we have nothing to speak about because you are the problem.

 

[Rightguide]

This arguement is trotted out constantly.
'Educate yourself and get a better job!'
Two issues come to mind - first, when you're earning so little, it is practically impossible to be able to afford to go to school....time off work for study means more poverty and money for fees etc is simply not there after paying living expenses, and - second, somebody has to do those low-paying jobs.
Are you seriously saying that people who work in the lower socio-economic roles, even if they are working 40 hours plus a week, are not entitled to earn enough money to live on?

BS, I worked two jobs going to school. It can be done and it used to be the only way most people did it.

 

[Sean Renaud]

BS, I worked two jobs going to school. It can be done and it used to be the only way most people did it.

While no most people didn't do it at all that was the problem was people had to do it that way. I'm sorry I wasn't there to fight for you but you need to fight for the kids beneath me.

 

[warrior queen]

BS, I worked two jobs going to school. It can be done and it used to be the only way most people did it.

When everyone has done it, become educated and got a better job, who do you propose does the menial work?
The checkout chick and the garbage man are both critical for society to function. Yet you believe that they should work hard and still be unable to pay for basic living necessities?
No wonder there is such inequality!

 

[BotanyBoy]

All of this is false and you should just stop posting.

Entertainers aren't the people we are complaining about for the most part. Also most don't make that much.

Yes it is my job and your job. At the moment that you pretend that you're job isn't keeping your house in order we have nothing to speak about because you are the problem.

Google says it’s not false.

You said billionaires, now you run with goalposts.

Im pretending keeping my house in order isn’t my job? What the hell are you talking about?

Can you tell me how government failure is not the fault of the government but of evil billionaires (except the black ones of course) or not?

Or maybe you would like to retract that statement ?

Provide some specifics better than sweeping leftist generalizations and vague implications?

 

[Sean Renaud]

Google says it’s not false.

You said billionaires, now you run with goalposts.

Im pretending keeping my house in order isn’t my job? What the hell are you talking about?

Can you tell me how government failure is the falt of billionaires or not?

Or maybe you would like to retract that statement ?

Provide some specifics better than sweeping leftist generalizations and vague implications?

I said as a starting point. I was specific you're just playing the goalpost game.

Either state right here and right now that you don't believe that people pay politicians or stop. Because you're real great at pretending you don't believe in things.

 

[Que]

When everyone has done it, become educated and got a better job, who do you propose does the menial work?
The checkout chick and the garbage man are both critical for society to function. Yet you believe that they should work hard and still be unable to pay for basic living necessities?
No wonder there is such inequality!

that's when menial work starts to pay better.

I'm good with my hands but I don't really want to be a plumber. I'm not sure anybody really wants to be a plumber but plumbers are plumbers cuz it pays pretty damn well