Why Islam is disrespected

[Gringao]

Beginning to understand why I have that idiot on ignore?

Carry on.

Ishmael

I've only got one person on Iggy and it isn't for being an idiot.

It's fun to play with these guys now and then.

 

[miles]

Beginning to understand why I have that idiot on ignore?

Carry on.

Ishmael

He's got to be another ppman alt. The convoluted logic is a dead giveaway.

 

[Veryknowing]

The US accepted the Emperor's station only after the Japanese surrendered unconditionally and his precise status could be determined in the context of an occupation government. The demand was, and never wavered from, an unconditional surrender of the Japanese to Allied forces.

The US could have accepted this precondition, but it may well have left a great deal of political uncertainty once the occupation of Japan was under way. As it was, the unconditional surrender was made by the Emperor (via recorded message), thus confirming his subordinate status once the Allies came ashore.

Wrong again.

The demand for "unconditional surrender" may not have wavered in public, but it certainly wasn't set in reality. There are historical documents to prove this, and witnesses.

The USA had NO CHOICE but to accept that single condition. If they hadn't, then it wouldn't have mattered a damn if the USA nuked Japan to a smoking glazed cinder, the Japanese would've fought to the bitter end, and not even the Emperor could've prevented that. If the USA had harmed the Emperor in any way, or tried to remove him from his position as Emperor, the whole country would've fought to the last man.

The same is true in Japan today. In a thousand years of Japanese history, not even the shoguns were foolish enough to try such an action against the Emperor.

 

[miles]

I love it when a dickhead who is on everyone's ignore list keeps posting like people are listening.

Reminds me of someone trying to talk with a sock stuffed into their mouth.

 

[RobDownSouth]

The Japanese were suing for peace, but they never offered an unconditional surrender, as the US had demanded. At minimum, they put on the predcondition that the Emperor be given immunity and allowed to continue in his position at the head of government.

This is a vast oversimplification of a complex subject, not unlike saying "the USA beat Japan because the USA was better".

The United States Army Combat Studies Institute has a nice summary of the politics and miscalculations of unconditional surrender in World War II HERE

 

[Ishmael]

I love it when a dickhead who is on everyone's ignore list keeps posting like people are listening.

Reminds me of someone trying to talk with a sock stuffed into their mouth.

It's those government welfare programs miles. They think they're 'entitled'.

Ishmael

 

[RobDownSouth]

I love it when a dickhead who is on everyone's ignore list keeps posting like people are listening.

Reminds me of someone trying to talk with a sock stuffed into their mouth.

Someday, Miles, you will add something of value to a political discussion.
Today is obviously not that day.

 

[Veryknowing]

I've only got one person on Iggy and it isn't for being an idiot.

It's fun to play with these guys now and then.

You're out of depth on this one.

Hey, isn't it odd (and suspicous as hell) how all of sudden, now we have Ishmael, Miles, Gringao, all jumping to Ham Murabi's rescue now?

What 's the matter? You can't do anything yourself, or are you lot all in each other's backsides as a permanent surgical feature?

 

[Gringao]

Wrong again.

The demand for "unconditional surrender" may not have wavered in public, but it certainly wasn't set in reality. There are historical documents to prove this, and witnesses.

I'm willing to listen, but the fact is that the precondition of retaining the Emperor was the reason the US rejected Japanese overtures for peace.

The USA had NO CHOICE but to accept that single condition. If they hadn't, then it wouldn't have mattered a damn if the USA nuked Japan to a smoking glazed cinder, the Japanese would've fought to the bitter end, and not even the Emperor could've prevented that. If the USA had harmed the Emperor in any way, or tried to remove him from his position as Emperor, the whole country would've fought to the last man.

The same is true in Japan today. In a thousand years of Japanese history, not even the shoguns were foolish enough to try such an action against the Emperor.

As a political reality, that may well be the case, but the Emperor had to be subordinate to the occupation authority. If he had been retained as a precondition, that subordinate position would not have been clear-cut.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Hey, isn't odd how all of sudden, now we have Ismael, Miles, Gringao, all jumping to Ham Murabi's rescue now?

It's not odd at all. It's wingnut standard operating procedure to circle the wagons when threatened.

 

[miles]

It's those government welfare programs miles. They think they're 'entitled'.

Ishmael

Speaking of entitlements, here's RDS to round out my ignore list!

 

[Ishmael]

Oh, looky here. In an act of desperation that cunt Bob_Bytchin has swithced his alts once again!!! *shock and awe*

Fuck of Bobby, no one's enthralled with child molesters here.

Ishmael

 

[miles]

Rob looks funny with a mouth full of socks.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Speaking of entitlements, here's RDS to round out my ignore list!

Scurry off then, coward!

 

[Veryknowing]

It's those government welfare programs miles. They think they're 'entitled'.

Ishmael

It's funny that you carry on like that with no idea of who I am. LOL

 

[RobDownSouth]

It's funny that you carry on like that with no idea of who I am. LOL

Get under his skin enough and he'll accuse you of being a Bob_Bytchin alt.

 

[miles]

RobDownSouth This loser is on your Ignore List.


Speak up, Rob.

 

[Veryknowing]

I'm willing to listen, but the fact is that the precondition of retaining the Emperor was the reason the US rejected Japanese overtures for peace.

Not really. The USA accepted the condition anyway. The Emperor stayed. The events of history show that the USA's rejection was only delaying for time until they could test the results of dropping nukes on two Japanese cities that were chosen primarily for the fact that the USA had avoided bombing them conventionally to best see the resulting effects when nuclear bombs were used.

As a political reality, that may well be the case, but the Emperor had to be subordinate to the occupation authority. If he had been retained as a precondition, that subordinate position would not have been clear-cut.

Nevertheles, he was retained. The condition was accepted in actuality by the USA even if denied for purposes of appearing unyielding to their own public.

None of this exuces the deliberate targeting of cities by the USA. Face it, the USA committed yet another atrocity, like the government of the USA has habitually done many times.

 

[Veryknowing]

Get under his skin enough and he'll accuse you of being a Bob_Bytchin alt.

LMAO.

 

[Gringao]

The USA accepted the status of Hirohito, but not as a precondition. There's a big, big difference. If you cannot or will not see that, there's no point in continuing the discussion.

 

[Veryknowing]

The USA accepted the status of Hirohito, but not as a precondition. There's a big, big difference. If you cannot or will not see that, there's no point in continuing the discussion.

The USA accepted the status of the Emperor.

That was the condition.

The USA by their actions accepted that condition and could've done so weeks before, therefore the nuke bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki - which were unjustified and not valid military targets in any case - were not even remotely necessary for ending the war.

If you can't see that, then you're a fuckwit.

 

[Gringao]

Goodbye.

 

[Veryknowing]

Goodbye.

My point is proven then.

I win.

Go and run away then and take all your useless alts with you.

 

[Gringao]

Repetition of baseless non-sequiturs is no substitute for rational discussion. If you feel that posting last makes you the "winner," be my guest.

 

[Ishmael]

Repetition of baseless non-sequiturs is no substitute for rational discussion. If you feel that posting last makes you the "winner," be my guest.

Now you know why I have him and all of his alter egos (LT/Bob/Rob) on ignore.

Ishmael