Why Is Sex Evil?

[Maximillian_Excaliber]

I thought I would start this by hitting as many cylinders as possible so here goes.

The question is why does society think that sex is evil/bad/immoral/fill in the blank?

How many taboo subjects can I hit with this one?


Religion and Sex:

It seems that the religious communities would have us believe that nudity and sex are basically evil. How can that be? Let's indulge that line of thought for a moment. If God created man then God created man to procreate, ergo sex is the method that God created for man to procreate. Follow me so far?

OK, now consider this... A certain religion teaches that all that is good is of God, for the Devil can do no good works. Well, man was created by God, ans so was his need to couple and procreate, we call that sex. There for sex is a creation of God and must be good. Also, the nude body of man is a creation of God and must be good. Still with me?

Now let's add one more thing for thought... If the body is the temple of God, why is it that people are not ashamed to be seen in church, a man-made creation that is supposed to be a temple of God, but they are ashamed of the the bodies which is actually supposed to be the temple that God? I'll give you time to think about that one....

Now just one more thing, how is it that most of the views about sex being so bad, that it should be a secret and never talked about all seem to come from about during the same time period after a certain young man decided that he was a slut, sex is bad, only for procreation and should not be talked about. I love the part where they made him a Saint for it! (Just to clarify, no I am not anti-anything, I am basically anti-"I refuse to think for myself". Sorry if you were offended but if you were, what are you doing reading on this site anyway? Ready for more?


Sex, Religion and Politics (The Trifecta):

Why is it that our standards of what we should practice, see, read, and even talk about regarding sex are established by governments, yet the reality is that most of us do not agree by way of our actual actions with those standards? In short, a blowjob might be illegal where we live, but do we care when Julie is shinning up the old knob? Nope, but we sure as hell wouldn't admit to it in public, would we? And why is that, because we think that everyone else thinks its bad. But the truth is that a very vocal powerful minority have told us that and we lack the courage to challenge it because someone convinced a lot of people that God said it was. I am almost done.

OK, so I have hit sex, politics and religion. That's the three subjects you never discuss unless you want to offend someone. I just hit on all cylinders.

Just so you know, the purpose is not to inflame the mind but to challenge the mind. Its not that I don't care about offending someone even though they say you can't please everyone. But maybe I have given you something to think about for a while that you might not have considered.

I would rather not roast, but if you must, flame away.

 

[Stella_Omega]

Hi Max (can I call you Max?) and welcome to the author's hangout! Don't feed the trolls, keep your arms and legs inside the ride at all times.

I write erotica and I practice it too-- I don't think sex is evil, and I don't have any empathy with the kind of mind that does. I've always questioned the dichotomy myself; "Your body is a temple-- but your pussy isn't one of the temple bits." Uh huh.

 

[cloudy]

Who said sex is evil? Did I miss a memo?

 

[Stella_Omega]

Who said sex is evil? Did I miss a memo?

MIne-- you are overdue for a lesson in evil

 

[cloudy]

MIne-- you are overdue for a lesson in evil

Yes, ma'am. Can I be your minion?

I'd play subby for you.

 

[Maximillian_Excaliber]

I wont feed the Tolls

But hey, stir up a hornet's nest. Sure, get their brains buzzing.

 

[Joe Wordsworth]

The point of this was... what?

(and the logic here makes me cringe--just sayin')

 

[hmmnmm]

Although I don't consider sex evil, the perception that some sex acts are evil can have a few unintended benefits.

example: as a young man I was victimized with the propaganda regarding the evils of masturbation. Of course, all I thought about - and generally still do - was sex and how many young men actually make it through those hormonal years without tempting the portals of evil? Not me, let me tell ya.

The benefit turned out to be, that since I believed I should turn back before it was too late, I developed an ability to back off from the precipice several times in one very long - sometimes extraordinarily long - session.

So, because of the perception of some sex acts being evil, I developed satisfactory control, which a few women later in life expressed honest appreciation for, and I don't think I'd have wanted to look at Penthouse if it was as easily attainable as Webster's Dictionary.

 

[Maximillian_Excaliber]

The Point?

Open discussion leads to the exchange of ideas and points of view. Some may even be enlightening and some enlightened.

 

[Joe Wordsworth]

Open discussion leads to the exchange of ideas and points of view. Some may even be enlightening and some enlightened.

I maintain, then, if the point is "open discussion" for the "exchange of ideas", that the whole affair has been generated too sharply, narrowly, and convolutedly to achieve that goal. Further, I suggest picking one thing or question and supporting it with one line of argument.

Your hoodoo, sir, is somewhat presently whack.

 

[amicus]

Well, well, well, a newby with its hair on fire carrying an open can of worms makes a splash...welcome Maximillian...

I seriously doubt you want answers and this is the perfect forum for a group grope in terms of agreeing with your not so subtle thesis.

But just in case, and since I am ever the optimist, here goes nutting, honey.

It probably took only about 300 generations of early man before they figured out that it was not good practice for father to impregnate daughter, or brother, sister, but they learned.

Therein, with a little reasoning one might comprehend the beginnings of religion and rules and laws, and gasp, even a rude form of government, or rule of tribal law.

Thou shalt not fuck thine offspring.

This, 'God' of religion has oft been criticized in his creations before, i.e. in a woman's sexual arrangement only a fool would place a playground between two sewers, ahem, crude, I know, but faulty design in the eyes of many.

And 'blojobs', I think you mentioned of which the homosexual community and other perverts so relish, well, now young fella, the penis is no doubt a pinnacle of pleasure, it also passes urine, another case of poor design perhaps, and the asshole, really, has but one function in a natural sense, whether the 'goose' principle comes into play or not.

It most likely took another 500 generations before early man discovered that disease transmission had a likely cause in oral and anal sexual relationships. Lo and Behold, that led to another revelation, i.e. Thou shalt not poke thy brother's butt, or chow down on his pee pee, or sumpin similar.

Well, Max, I hate to be the one to inform you, but "God" died last week, long overdue expiration and left man to his own devices concerning moral behavior. Throughout all the land a great upheaval and self flagellation emerged as the people were besides themselves to find something to transfer their belief to, anything, yes, anything but rational thinking, we just can't tolerate that, after all, remember the Garden of Eden, the Tree of Knowledge, it be a sin to think.

Dear Max, instead of peering down your long pointy nose at the huddled masses of humanity searching for answers why don't and join in the search. Be warned, it is a messy process, filled with sound and fury and tempests in multiple teapots.

Amicus...

 

[Maximillian_Excaliber]

"huddled masses" Cute

"Dear Max, instead of peering down your long pointy nose at the huddled masses of humanity searching for answers why don't and join in the search. Be warned, it is a messy process, filled with sound and fury and tempests in multiple teapots."

Answers, no. I want others to find answers. I claim no great wisdom, but somethings do not require wisdom but simple rationale.

I like to ask questions like, "If God is perfect and he spoke to man, an imperfect being, and that imperfect being wrote down what God said, how then are we expected to believe that what man wrote down is the perfect word of God? Another annoying question is, how is it that our perception of God comes from other men, yet we are to believe that the divine is in all of us, why do we need someone else to tell us what comes from the divine if all we have to do is stop listening to each other's imperfect interpretations of the divine? Kind of reminds me of the one about letting passing a sentence from person the next until what you end up with is nothing like what you started with.

However, how do you reconcile the incest in the Old Testament and the change in attitude of current generations? Some would argue that it was a necessary evil at the time. To be clear, please do not take this an endorsement of incest.

For that matter, the change in attitude towards plural marriage from the Old Testament to the New Testament. Funny thing is that biblical scholars say under the Old Testament, man lived under the Law, and under the New Testament, he lives under Grace. Why is Grace more restrictive and contradictory than the Law?

Correct me if I am wrong, but do we both agree that man has molded his religion to suit his political, social and economic needs without regards to rationality? Sometimes it is simply to appease the masses and sometimes to control the masses.

 

[amicus]

Ah, so you are merely a troll then, and the worst kind, a disgruntled Xtian troll.

Sorry, have no Mea Culpa's for you.

Amicus....

 

[Stella_Omega]

Ah, so you are merely a troll then, and the worst kind, a disgruntled Xtian troll.

Sorry, have no Mea Culpa's for you.

Amicus....

I'm in agreement with you, Ami-- which feels so unusual!

 

[Maximillian_Excaliber]

Ignorance Showing?

OK, how can I tell if a reply was pointed directly to a specific person?

Thanks

 

[cantdog]

The point of this was... what?

(and the logic here makes me cringe--just sayin')

Great restraint, Joe.

It was kinda formless, wasn't it? The dude is arguing with a myth. Nudity is a social taboo, a matter mostly of custom, not religion. Custom is very powerful; it seldom bends much to logic. If Max wants to bend it to logic, why then he ought to bring some to the table.

Wanna have the discussion anyway, just to spite him?

 

[cantdog]

Although I don't consider sex evil, the perception that some sex acts are evil can have a few unintended benefits.

example: as a young man I was victimized with the propaganda regarding the evils of masturbation. Of course, all I thought about - and generally still do - was sex and how many young men actually make it through those hormonal years without tempting the portals of evil? Not me, let me tell ya.

The benefit turned out to be, that since I believed I should turn back before it was too late, I developed an ability to back off from the precipice several times in one very long - sometimes extraordinarily long - session.

So, because of the perception of some sex acts being evil, I developed satisfactory control, which a few women later in life expressed honest appreciation for, and I don't think I'd have wanted to look at Penthouse if it was as easily attainable as Webster's Dictionary.

Wanking as training! Very valuable!

I never got the memo about masturbation being evil. One just didn't do it in the living room, nor speak of it at Thanksgiving. It was underground, but not intrinsically bad.

 

[Guest]

Wanking as training! Very valuable!

I never got the memo about masturbation being evil. One just didn't do it in the living room, nor speak of it at Thanksgiving. It was underground, but not intrinsically bad.

Thanksgiving is over. And I'm not in my living room.

Shall we discuss?

 

[cantdog]

Hi Max (can I call you Max?) and welcome to the author's hangout! Don't feed the trolls, keep your arms and legs inside the ride at all times.

I write erotica and I practice it too-- I don't think sex is evil, and I don't have any empathy with the kind of mind that does. I've always questioned the dichotomy myself; "Your body is a temple-- but your pussy isn't one of the temple bits." Uh huh.

The tuppy is a longstanding and intractable problem, Stella, in the politics of gender. It is extraordinarily powerful, being the producer of all persons. A miraculous and for centuries inexplicable miracle of which the male sex is incapable. Time was, women ran the world on the strength of it.

I discount, of course, as you do, all this temple talk. "Temple" is one of those meaningless terms-- like "transcend". Max's concerns about God's messages to men is also not worth the air required to form words about it.

Who left the pussy out of the temple? Where did you personally hear this?

 

[cantdog]

Thanksgiving is over. And I'm not in my living room.

Shall we discuss?

Sure, why not? I'm in a more or less discussin' mood.

 

[hmmnmm]

Wanking as training! Very valuable!

I never got the memo about masturbation being evil. One just didn't do it in the living room, nor speak of it at Thanksgiving. It was underground, but not intrinsically bad.

I sense a thread topic raising up its befuddled but eager head.

 

[Stella_Omega]

OK, how can I tell if a reply was pointed directly to a specific person?

Thanks

if a reply is intended for one person, the post is usually quoted, as I just did.

Who left the pussy out of the temple? Where did you personally hear this?

hey, I swear this to you;

In every single temple I've ever built, the yoni has pride of place-- sometimes accompanied by the lingham, sometimes with a sister alongside. Pussies like company, I believe.

Shall we discuss?

Why certainly! I'm in a very oral mood...

 

[Maximillian_Excaliber]

OK thanks

OK, wasn't sure.

Thanks

 

[TxRad]

You guys are going to have to postpone this here discussion until the Right Reverend Rumple wakes up. You know his Church of the Burning Bush and Discount Licker Store has first call on all theology questions.

 

[Maximillian_Excaliber]

Totaly off the subject

By the way, I have a new story in submission. It's called:

White Lies – Love And Confidence

The description is "Girlfriend plots to get insecure boyfriend in bed".

Look for it to post soon. Apparently it has been read by six people and not even approved yet, go figure. I wish if they were going to read it they would at least rate it good or bad.