Why is it that India...

[p_p_man]

...after 60 years of gaining independence from the British still hasn't got it's act together.

Every year there's either a flood, a drought, a disease of epidemic proportions or an earthquake. And every year there are collections made worldwide to enable ordinary working folk everywhere to give money to help the victims of these disasters, and every year the Indian Government seems completely incapable of getting even the minimal of operations together.

Are they actually a race of people who are fit to govern themselves? Or was giving the running of the country to a very few ruling families one of the UK's big mistakes.

They have no educational system, they have no reliable electricity supply, they have no health scheme, they have no housing scheme, they have no co-ordinated effort at all in improving the lot of their citizens and helping their country to develop.

Their manufacturing base is antequated and hazadous to health and their exports are nothing to write home about.

They seem quite happy to accept gifts from everywhere else without doing a thing about getting themselves off their asses and start acting like adults for once.

They're proud of having nuclear weapons, of being a country with a strong IT base, and the cheapness of their goods. They're also a country which has child slave labour and child prostitution on a grand scale.

The government looks to me to be a shiftless, untrustworthy bunch of felons who are leading their country nowhere whilst busy lining their own pockets.

 

[registered "^^"]

They are

to busy immigrating to the U.S.A.

 

[p_p_man]

And the UK...

...witness the riots we've been experiencing lately.

In fact that raises another point. A generation ago there was a massive immigration flood into the UK from India. A whole generation, UK born, grew up not with the values of a mix of Asian and UK backgrounds but with Asian only.

They are allowed to build temples, and they build a lot of them, in areas where they are concentrated, they are allowed to attend their own schools, libraries stock many thousands of books of various Indian languages (I've never seen Chinese, Jewish, Mid-European books stocked in such numbers-if at all) and they are even allowed to have their own Parliament (more of a debating society really but they screamed as if they were all being castrated when initially they weren't allowed to call it a Parliament).

And when a few hundred extreme right wing groups go into a town during our recent general election. It's the Asians who take to the streets in their thousands, burning, looting attacking the private property of innocent bystanders and generally behving like spoiled children who are suddenly confronted with the "No" word.

Maybe it's endemic, maybe the Indian Government will start having hysterics and throw out accusations in all directions if they too were confronted with "No" for once. So to keep the peace (like placating an unruly child) the world keeps saying "Yes".

 

[Problem Child]

Well, at least he's bitching about a UK related topic for once.

I suppose we should be grateful.

 

[p_p_man]

It's the summer 'flat season'...

all over the world...

I'm just marking time...

And I want to see if Lits get as worked up about politicians from other countries as they do about their own.

 

[CookieMonster]

...They have no educational system, they have no reliable electricity supply, ...

Their manufacturing base is antequated and hazadous to health and their exports are nothing to write home about.

Yeah, what a bunch of scum! Off to the Gulag with 'em, I say!

You have to give them this, though: they don't have bands of hooligans rioting over things as inconsequential as soccer matches... and being banned from other countries for that.

By the by, the non-existent educational system in India at least teaches its scum pupils how to spell ``antiquated'' and ``hazardous.''

Amused,
CookieMonster

P.S.: My Silicon Valley neighbors have been yelling and screaming for a while now about the unreliable electricity supply in California. He he.

 

[WriterDom]

So PP is the Pat Buchanan of the UK? That's interesting.

 

[Myrrdin]

The riots we,ve been experiencing have involved Pakistani's not Indians.
Those people who have been invading sporting events, waving the crescent moon flag and attacking stewards.
From areas like Bradford where the local councils still have to provide a translation service , because despite them being third generation immigrants, they still don't speak English.
These are economic migrants, moving to the UK for a better life, but still clinging to the native language , customs of their ancestral home and not integrating into this country.

A certain right of centre politician raised controversy a few years ago saying that if people moved to our country to improve their lifestyle they should at least support this country in sporting events against the country their forefathers may have come from. He saw it as a test of their Britishness.

The current buzzword is that we should become a "multi cultural society". But so many of us feel, why should we dilute our Britishness to people who make no effort to integrate into our society.

 

[p_p_man]

True...

...I should have made that distinction, though as you know, every one from that Continent is labelled Paki, be they Indian or Pakistani.

As I'm more interested in questioning the motives and track record of the Indian Government I'll keep my facts straight.

 

[p_p_man]

So PP is the Pat Buchanan of the UK? That's interesting.

As I've said before I'm Left wing, yes, but my eye's aren't closed to what's happening in society that may need a more right wing solution.

Sometimes it's dogma that's the problem not the belief...

 

[sexy-girl]

...I should have made that distinction, though as you know, every one from that Continent is labelled Paki, be they Indian or Pakistani.

India and Pakistan isnt classed as a "continent" there two seperate countries within asia and people from those two countries shouldnt be labelled as "paki" since its racist

 

[Mensa]

The big picture

You're painting with pretty broad brushstrokes.

India has an excellent educational system, if you have the money to afford it. Unfortunately, most don't.

I agree that certainly by the third generation, they should be well conversant in English. But isn't it ironic that when the British conquered the Indian subcontinent in the eighteenth century, the one thing they studiously avoided was "going native" by maintaining all their English ways and manners and regarding the natives as savage or quaint.

 

[p_p_man]

Just stating facts as they exist sexy-girl.

And way back, when even I was knee high to a grasshopper the whole area, Pakistan (which was then split into two distinct areas one at the top of India to the left and one at the top to the right) and India was known as the Sub-Continent.

 

[p_p_man]

Re: The big picture

You're painting with pretty broad brushstrokes.

India has an excellent educational system, if you have the money to afford it. Unfortunately, most don't.

The British conquered the Indian subcontinent in the eighteenth century, the one thing they studiously avoided was "going native" by maintaining all their English ways and manners and regarding the natives as savage or quaint.

Different horses for different courses Mensa.

I probably didn't make myself entirely clear. Yes India has an excellent private educational system but for the rest of the population...zilch!

The British weren't there as economic migrants. There was no wish to integrate and bearing in mind the standards of the day that was the correct belief to hold.

I'll repeat my main point...in 60 years of independence the Indian Government has not progress their country any further forward than when the British left, and in some cases, like the once excellent railway system that was left behind, they've actually managed to go in reverse!

 

[Mensa]

Re: Re: The big picture

Different horses for different courses Mensa.

I probably didn't make myself entirely clear. Yes India has an excellent private educational system but for the rest of the population...zilch!

The British weren't there as economic migrants. There was no wish to integrate and bearing in mind the standards of the day that was the correct belief to hold.

I'll repeat my main point...in 60 years of independence the Indian Government has not progress their country any further forward than when the British left, and in some cases, like the once excellent railway system that was left behind, they've actually managed to go in reverse!

In order to be PC, I'd disagree with you but, unfortunately, from personal experience I have to admit you do have a valid point. Which annoys me because I did so want to rag on you!

 

[p_p_man]

LOL

You don't mean...you can't mean... that the great Mensa actually....

faints before completing sentence

 

[OUTSIDER]

It seem's to me that there's a few countries out there that always seem to be in trouble and never seem to pull them selve's together, I've often wondered if we should always rush to help them every time they have a problem, there is a train of thought that say's "they'll never help themselves all the time we are there to catch them everytime they fall".

The third world always says the first world has a duty to help the less well off but I wonder how a first world country got to be that way, I mean look at the UK, we have a tiny tiny island and not much in the way of resources, and yet we are still a world power albeit a lesser one, why can't a huge country like india be one, I think it's because we are an organised people.

I don't expect these thought's to be popular and I'm not even comfortable with thinking them sometimes but they have all occured to me and I've yet to see a true answer given for them, usually a dicussion like this will spiral in to rhetoric and name calling pretty fast, lets wait and see.

 

[WriterDom]

...after 60 years of gaining independence from the British still hasn't got it's act together.

.

3 Indias would fit inside the US and they still have 4 times as many people. That's a pretty hopeless situation.

 

[registered "^^"]

Yes

but the cattle are doing fine, as the people starve to death.

 

[miles]

Kind of reminds me of Cuba, the trash heap of the Caribbean. Sure, we don't trade with them, but every other country in the world does, and it's still a rat hole. I doubt we would make a difference as long as that cigar-smoking, bearded son of a bitch is running the place.

 

[p_p_man]

How can India remind you of Cuba?

On the one hand you're talking about a tiny Caribbean Island, where the might of America, during one of its periodic ant-Communist hysterial outbursts, decided to try and force an accepted regime out by imposing sanctions, to a massive country which had everything in place to start it on a path of prosperity.

One has survived, despite the odds, and has given its people a sound educational system and free health care, whilst the other always appears to be on the point of collapse, not able to survive without annual global collections.

Cuba has had 40 years of struggle, India has had 60 years of handouts.

I'm beginning to think that the Indian psyche consists of a very large helping of laziness...

 

[crystalhunting]

PP man......


Tell me of any former colony of England or the Other powers that ISNT FUCKED UP since the conquering country left,I can only think of 2 myself.


Kenya from England

Tunisia from France


Past that...I think they are all messed up,and I have been to many of them in the past.



CH

 

[Cheyenne]

Re: How can India remind you of Cuba?

I'm beginning to think that the Indian psyche consists of a very large helping of laziness...

Are you trying to be so insulting or does it just happen?

 

[Never]

It just happens..
Can I follow you around the board for awhile?

 

[Mensa]

Re: How can India remind you of Cuba?

I'm beginning to think that the Indian psyche consists of a very large helping of laziness... [/B]

Gee, thanks, now I can rag on you. You're just being provocative and truculent.