Why I prefer Gay Clubs over Straight Ones

[deliciously_naughty]

I went to straight club last night for the first time in years...generally I prefer alternative and gay clubs, but my friend wanted to go, and it was only a 5 dollar cover, so I went.

LOL...straight people are funny...

1. The men for the most part, couldn't dance...and rubbing your crotch against a girls ass doesn't count.

2. There was a girl who was trying to do stripper type dancing against the pole on the side of the room.

3. The clothes aren't as good...there was much questionable fashion that my gay boyfriends wouldn't have allowed me out of the house in (example, two girls with so much lace on their shirts that my friend and I named them the lingerie twins)

As I sat on the side of the dance floor, sipping my hard lemonade and observing, I was terribly amused.

But I realize how little I've been missing.

Back to the gay/alterna scene for me

 

[thickspear]

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[Bitchslapper]

Gay-bashing on GLBT board? Prohibited. Straight-bashing? Nooo problem!

 

[brattybytch]

Gay-bashing on GLBT board? Prohibited. Straight-bashing? Nooo problem!

actually i didn't read either comment as bashing heterosexuals...it just seemed to me that the 2 previous posters were discussing why they prefer gay/fetish/alternative lifestyle clubs...but I could be wrong...

 

[thickspear]

some people need meds...or they're just toxic...fuck em...i don't have patience for their illness

 

[Bitchslapper]

I was refering mainly to the originator of the thread who says "LOL...straight people are funny" as though they are merely clowns for his/her amusement, and then goes on to imply that straight people have bad taste in clothes.

 

[College_geek]

I was refering mainly to the originator of the thread who says "LOL...straight people are funny" as though they are merely clowns for his/her amusement, and then goes on to imply that straight people have bad taste in clothes.

I actually agree, but in a different sense. Not to say that I think it was straight bashing in this post, it makes me frustrated when some homosexual or bisexual people bash straight people. To me, being heterophobic (and there are people out there like that) is just as bad as homophobic because of the anger that comes from it.

Anyway, I have never been to a club, gay or straight, but from what I've seen in movies and tv and such (I assume that it's relatively realistic), straight clubs seems really dumb. I never really liked that "grinding" dancing because it's not dancing. I would get so fed up at a club that I'd end up leaving. I'd prefer going to a bar with live music, anyway.

 

[Zergplex]

Zergplex Says

I actually agree, but in a different sense. Not to say that I think it was straight bashing in this post, it makes me frustrated when some homosexual or bisexual people bash straight people. To me, being heterophobic (and there are people out there like that) is just as bad as homophobic because of the anger that comes from it.

Anyway, I have never been to a club, gay or straight, but from what I've seen in movies and tv and such (I assume that it's relatively realistic), straight clubs seems really dumb. I never really liked that "grinding" dancing because it's not dancing. I would get so fed up at a club that I'd end up leaving. I'd prefer going to a bar with live music, anyway.

Bashing of any kind is just rampant stupidity. Some gay people tend to overcompensate at the hatred they have faced and seem to have become hetrophobic. And of course homophobes are quite noticable, especially with the current marriage controversy. I would say that we could just put the two groups in a room and have them kill each other, except for the fact that other then their irrational fear/hatred they can be very good people. If they could just see reason -_-

I havn't been to a club either (nor do I intend to anytime soon) it's just not my type of thing. *shrugs* can't lend my opinion to that section of this thread.

-Zergplex

 

[BlueSugar]

Gay-bashing on GLBT board? Prohibited. Straight-bashing? Nooo problem!

you just like to come here because there are twice the amount of panties to put in a bunch

 

[Never]

You just need to go to a lesbian bar on karaoke night. You'll long for a straight club then.

 

[RobHammer]

Heterophobe, hmm, would that be me? Before you get on your pedastal preaching fire and brimstone...

I'm not afraid of straight people, not in the way the name implies (so afraid of having them around me that I would lash out). I dislike going to straight clubs and having to conform my behaviour for fear of ridicule. I like gay/alternate clubs because I feel more at home.

It seems to me that the homophobic attitudes of straight society in general (straight males in particular) are exemplified to the fullest when lubricated by alcohol. I like an atmosphere where I can be myself without having to worry about some gay bashing thugs.

 

[Violette]

Well, Naughty, at least I know what we should do the next time you come to MY town!

 

[College_geek]

Heterophobe, hmm, would that be me? Before you get on your pedastal preaching fire and brimstone...

I'm not afraid of straight people, not in the way the name implies (so afraid of having them around me that I would lash out). I dislike going to straight clubs and having to conform my behaviour for fear of ridicule. I like gay/alternate clubs because I feel more at home.

It seems to me that the homophobic attitudes of straight society in general (straight males in particular) are exemplified to the fullest when lubricated by alcohol. I like an atmosphere where I can be myself without having to worry about some gay bashing thugs.

I wouldn't call that heterophobic. I'm talking about the people that get so angry and just start straight bashing...just like homophobic people do against homosexuals. It's really rare, but people like that are out there. Feeling more comfortable in a gay/alternative club isn't getting angry...unless one goes to the gay/alternative club and bashes anyone who may be straight there.

 

[Netzach]

Bashing, last I checked, was running for your life from a bunch of guys with bats.

Can the offended heterosexuals get a grip? Thank you.

 

[Bitchslapper]

Bashing, last I checked, was running for your life from a bunch of guys with bats.

Can the offended heterosexuals get a grip? Thank you.

That's been known to happen too, but if we can say "bash" in reference to homophobic jokes or conversation and not just violence, then why not the other way around?

 

[Netzach]

because last I checked the straight people were not running from guys with bats.

last I checked they are allowed to get married.

last I checked there's a hell of a lot more stereotypes and insults heaped up against me and those I love than "you dress badly and your clubs are boring."

(agreed and agreed, BTW.)

 

[Bitchslapper]

Oh I see, you're entitled to special treatment because someone is out to get you?

 

[Netzach]

special treatment sounds a hell of a lot like the fundamentalist accusations of special rights, like maybe the right to not be discriminated against or killed.

Shockingly, most straight girls I know have a similar assesment of the scene described and no one takes them to task.

There's no such thing as reverse-racism or heterophobia, sport. When you are the folks calling the shots in the world, a shat-on minority gets to formulate whatever opinion they want and you don't get to tell them how to interpret the culture that's oppressing them. IOW--
like I said, deal.

I also agree re: lesbian karaoke.

What is it about us and karaoke? And line dancing? (shudder)

 

[Bitchslapper]

I don't care what it sounds like to you, but I'm far from fundamentalist or conservative. What I was refering to is your expectation to generalize and steretype with impunity. It's not logical, democratic or just plain fair to expect one group to follow one set of rules and another group to follow a different set of rules. Isn't that kind of the problem right now? One group is allowed to marry, but another group is not.

I don't know about anyone else, but I know I'm not oppressing anybody. I'm too busy just taking care of myself, I don't have the time, resources or wherewithal to keep anyone else down. And I damn well know I'm not calling the shots.

The theory that there's no such thing as reverse-racism or heterophobia is just ridiculous. On the one hand, you profess you want equality, but you don't seem to abide by that. Equality would suggest that no one should be hated for thier gender or race or sexual orientation, whether they are statistically in the minority or not.

 

[Netzach]

I abide by my assertions.

Every culture is bigoted. Every human being tends to get tribal.

The difference in this case, is that when GLBT people get tribal the negative effect is more theoretical. Still no bats. When straight folks get tribal the bats seem to come out, things HAPPEN, the hatred gets acted on in scary and wide-ranging ways.

This can't be the first time you've ever encountered this school of thought. Some people see any negativity as inherently equally damaging, some others see negativity on the part of an oppressed group for its oppressor as logic.

Yeah, it's not fair, but the people on the shit end of the unfairness didn't CREATE it.

 

[Bitchslapper]

A minority is not immune from being prejudiced or victimizing someone else with unfairness.

And I don't buy the argument that straight people are more violent than homosexual people. That's just bullshit. There are plenty of straight people who express thier views whatever they are) peacefully, and there are plenty of gay peopl;e who are militant or even violent in thier expression, not just vice versa.

 

[Never]

I hate it when I miss the beginnings of interesting conversations because I always feel awkward jumping into the middle.

I have been in private conversations with Caucasians in which they've made a joke about non-whites and been offended. I've also heard jokes made at the expense of whites and not been bothered at all by them.

There are jokes told about men, women, whites, blacks, Mexicans, polish, Americans, blondes, gays, and straights and all of them tend to end in a generalization that untrue but only some of them are offensive or 'bashing' because not all of them are going to hurt the recipient or made in actual malice. Jokes are socially dynamic especially when it comes to the speaker's power. When my female co-worker makes a joke about women to me it's different from when my male boss does the same. When a gay man makes a joke about a straights being unable to dance he's inverting the normal cultural power. When a straight man makes a joke about gay men being swishy he's just emphasizing the culture as it already exists.

I'm not saying that either of these is automatically bad or good; I've seen parodies of 'swishiness' that I thought were quite funny. However, it's easier for a joke to be hurtful when it's aimed at a minority (gays, blacks, women) from a member of the majority (straights, whites, men).

And yes, I understand that straight, white males seem to be getting a raw deal. There are nice guys out there that end up the butt of a malicious joke and people seem willing to shrug it off, which isn't right. There are assholes in every group who'd be thrilled to have their words and behavior given a certain amount of immunity due to their minority status and I think we need to stop giving it to them.

As for violence, I know of very few occasions where gays have physically assaulted straights and quite a few where it's been the other way around. Straights are not more violent than gays; in fact, I think lesbians are more violent than straight women. It's just that there's a segment of the younger, straight male population that seems to think it okay, or even virtuous, to assault gay men and women and number-wise straights have a distinct advantage.

 

[Adrenaline]

I abide by my assertions.

Every culture is bigoted. Every human being tends to get tribal.

The difference in this case, is that when GLBT people get tribal the negative effect is more theoretical. Still no bats. When straight folks get tribal the bats seem to come out, things HAPPEN, the hatred gets acted on in scary and wide-ranging ways.

This can't be the first time you've ever encountered this school of thought. Some people see any negativity as inherently equally damaging, some others see negativity on the part of an oppressed group for its oppressor as logic.

Yeah, it's not fair, but the people on the shit end of the unfairness didn't CREATE it.

Hmmmm. It is logical for any minority group going uder unfair discrimination to lash out in whatever ways against those in the majority. It's something that cannot be avoided, but one would think that you would prefer it to be dealt with more constructively? Why stoop to their level?

I know this is easier for me to say being in the majority (straight) and I'm trying not to sound like some lame PSA.

I'm not commenting on this post that started this thread, btw.

 

[Bitchslapper]

...it's easier for a joke to be hurtful when it's aimed at a minority (gays, blacks, women) from a member of the majority (straights, whites, men)...

Statistically speaking women are not a minority. In fact there are slightly more women in the world than men.

 

[Never]

Bitchslapper:
"Statistically speaking women are not a minority. In fact there are slightly more women in the world than men."

Statistically, there are more non-whites in the world than whites but I wasn't speaking statistically so it's a moot point.