Why I hate foreigners who assume too much about the US without knowing shit about it!

[Harbinger]

Ha!

So it was all just a clever trap by Starfish for the Unregistered troll. And it stepped right in it! So funny.

Love the paintings, too, Starfish. That was a nice reward for reading the thread.

 

[n-erasmus]

Oh yes ... *THAT'S* "International"

Is everyone comfy... good. I am going to hijack my thread.


Will any of these work?

I hope.


[/B]

Quite nicely, thank you! Have you ever thought of making a living out of hijacking?? You are good at it.

 

[teddybear4play]

Will any of these work?

I hope.

The second one does.

The first and third both look like they're about 14. Which is fine for some people, I guess, but I haven't been into 14-year olds since I was 14.

TB4p

 

[MunchinMark]

Other way round... Mandarin, or more correctly "Modern Standard Chinese" is the "Official" language - Cantonese is the Southern dialect - and that spoken by most HongKongers...

Is it? Oops, my bad. It's all Chinese to me.

No complaints about the hijacking. I don't remember any of the girls at school looking anything like that at 14 though. A bit later maybe.

 

[Quimmy]

But by the same token, isn't Mandarin also known as simplified Chinese, whereas the Cantonese dialect is considered "Traditional"?

But again, all Chinese to me. I have a dear Chinese girlfriend here... and she probably confuses me more than anything.

 

[Rex1960]

I don't want to continue hijacking this thread but i have to ask this. I've always thought cantonese was a language not just a dialect. Now I'm confused.

Rex

 

[scylis]

i just like the fact that they can't understand what the fuck they're saying to each other verbally, yet if they take the time to write it down, everything's hunky dorey.

wacky chinks. (says the crackah/honkey)

 

[Coolville]

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One of my IR professors was constantly going on about the Weegars(sp?) who are a ethnic seperatist movement in western china. Do you know anything about them or have you been in that region?

The Uighurs (pronounced Wee-gers) are the indigenous population in Western China. Until the 70's, they were rather unbothered by the Han Chinese population. Cut off by the distance and the rocky, stoney desert between them.

Then the Chinese built a railway to Urumqui, capital of the province in order to allow Chinese an easy way to move to the province and increase the Han Chinese prescence. More chinese, less Uighurs makes the region a definitive part of China. It's all just dogs and fire hydrants.

The Uighurs have started active resistance in the form of car bombs and assassinations in an attempt to fight for their freedom. Culturally, ethnically and geographically, they are part of the Turk world, not the Chinese.

I traveled from Kazakhstan to Urumqui and then down to Kashgar before entering Pakistan in '93, when I was writing an article on the old Silk Route. An amazing journey.

Map of region attached.

 

[LordOfDarkness]

no man is an island.

without the rest of the world, US economy cannot survive.

Talk soft, but carry a big stick.

If you shout, people rarely listen.

I see America everyday. On TV - Hollywood and Wheel of Fortune, outside - MacDonalds, Coke, Made in US things like microsoft, and weapons, MTV and music...and oh...all the expensive branded goods like Nike which is made by the poor underaged and underpaid labors in Culcutta. Local news everyday blare out, "Bush says this and that". Everybody recognises George Bush's face but some cannot remember how their grandparents look like.

How to forget Amerika? America is GOD! Gawd!

Viva la Amerika!

 

[Rex1960]

Re: Re: Re: Re: and now for something completely different....

...
The Uighurs have started active resistance in the form of car bombs and assassinations in an attempt to fight for their freedom. Culturally, ethnically and geographically, they are part of the Turk world, not the Chinese.

I traveled from Kazakhstan to Urumqui and then down to Kashgar before entering Pakistan in '93, when I was writing an article on the old Silk Route. An amazing journey.

Map of region attached.

That's impressive Coolville...

Do you think there's a prob only in the uighur struggle for independence from China/han chinese ?
As far as I know those uighurs are sunni muslims. Is that religious thing only a side effect or a major prob ?
Is there a pan-turkic movement in Xinjiang ?

T

 

[cliffchuff]

Re: Re: Re: Why I hate foreigners who assume too much about the US without knowing shit about it!

And it's this kind of gross incorrectness that leads us to be angry at you:

How can quoting someone be incorrect? The use of the word THEY is a generalization.

We're the only ones following U.N. resolutions. The U.N. isn't even following their resolutions.LOL

Well, at least we don't think the Palestinians are blameless. Did I say they were blameless? Are they being systematically racially exterminated by a vastly superior firepower under the false premise of defense YES.

Oh, so you mean that whole Kyoto thing was a done deal except the Americans didn't sign on? Get real.
Not just Kyoto .

How about Alaskan wildlife sanctuaries, Africa, Saudi Arabia. How about Bushes government being under the thumb of major oil led industries, How about the reversal of promises to cut global emissions, How about deforestation and on and on..

Sorry starfish I know you were joking but I can't help bear-bating

Before you start making generalizations do some reading and research

 

[Coolville]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: and now for something completely different....

That's impressive Coolville...

Do you think there's a prob only in the uighur struggle for independence from China/han chinese ?
As far as I know those uighurs are sunni muslims. Is that religious thing only a side effect or a major prob ?
Is there a pan-turkic movement in Xinjiang ?

It's a problem if you're a Uighur, I guess...

This whole expanisionistic policy of the Chinese only started in the 40's and 50's. The Uighurs have lived for centuries right where they are. Separated from Han China by a big, bad-ass desert.

But the Chinese empire-building brought the railway, due to oil and natural gas finds. The attempted cultural flooding came after that. Urumqui is a big, horrible city. A real outpost of the Empire. They have a Holiday Inn, a high-rise, with a black plume of smoke always coming out of the chimney. Coal heating! Funny.

The uighurs get funding and support from the Turkish world - the new republics across the border, as well as from Pakistan to the south.

But the Chinese are cracking down on any independence movements, executing the leaders publicly. and all of it pretty much ignored in post-Tiannaman Square China, where doing business is more important to the West than tsk-tsking about human rights.

Here's a link:
www.uighur.com

 

[Rex1960]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: and now for something completely different....

It's a problem if you're a Uighur, I guess...

This whole expanisionistic policy of the Chinese only started in the 40's and 50's. The Uighurs have lived for centuries right where they are. Separated from Han China by a big, bad-ass desert.

But the Chinese empire-building brought the railway, due to oil and natural gas finds. The attempted cultural flooding came after that. Urumqui is a big, horrible city. A real outpost of the Empire. They have a Holiday Inn, a high-rise, with a black plume of smoke always coming out of the chimney. Coal heating! Funny.

The uighurs get funding and support from the Turkish world - the new republics across the border, as well as from Pakistan to the south.

But the Chinese are cracking down on any independence movements, executing the leaders publicly. and all of it pretty much ignored in post-Tiannaman Square China, where doing business is more important to the West than tsk-tsking about human rights.

Here's a link:
www.uighur.com

Sounds like how the russian (soviet) imperialism effected their central asian republics with all those turkic and muslim majorities.

I've just met an uzbekistan diplomate telling me something about his POV. All these central asian people have such a rich history and culture... and after all it seems our support for their road to independence just depend on their ressources. Same old story.

Not to speak of human rights...

 

[LordOfDarkness]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: and now for something completely different....

It's a problem if you're a Uighur, I guess...

This whole expanisionistic policy of the Chinese only started in the 40's and 50's. The Uighurs have lived for centuries right where they are. Separated from Han China by a big, bad-ass desert.

But the Chinese empire-building brought the railway, due to oil and natural gas finds. The attempted cultural flooding came after that. Urumqui is a big, horrible city. A real outpost of the Empire. They have a Holiday Inn, a high-rise, with a black plume of smoke always coming out of the chimney. Coal heating! Funny.

The uighurs get funding and support from the Turkish world - the new republics across the border, as well as from Pakistan to the south.

But the Chinese are cracking down on any independence movements, executing the leaders publicly. and all of it pretty much ignored in post-Tiannaman Square China, where doing business is more important to the West than tsk-tsking about human rights.

Here's a link:
www.uighur.com

Yes...China has a long way to go. There are many human rights abuses. I think they are worse than Saddam. Wonder why US is not concerned?

 

[Rex1960]

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Yes...China has a long way to go. There are many human rights abuses. I think they are worse than Saddam. Wonder why US is not concerned?

Worse than Saddam ?
How do you measure that suggestion ? Any proven facts ?
anyway.... if there's anything we all should be concerned, not just the US alone...
We all are kind of interested in the worlds #2 GDP

 

[LordOfDarkness]

China

Seems like a lot of things that are happening in China goes unnoticed by the west. I listen to foreign media radio broadcasts almost every night, especially the BBC world service, and have been hearing the news about the many human rights abuses in that country . The trouble is Iraq is much on Bush's agenda and Iraq ia a small country compared to China and is easily bullied. I live in Asia and many "facts" have been hidden due to disinformation, like the human rights abuses in my own country, who is a staunch ally of the US. You can read more of these facts in the internet under "human rights issues", "amnesty international" and others. For starters, here are some links.

http://hrw.org/editorials/2002/china0914.htm

http://hrw.org/press/2002/08/china0827.htm

http://www.iht.com/articles/68717.html

http://www.hrw.org/reports/2002/chinalbr02/

http://hrw.org/reports/2002/china/

http://store.yahoo.com/hrwpubs/tibsin19silp.html

http://store.yahoo.com/hrwpubs/china0398.html

http://www.amnestyusa.org/news/2002/china03222002.html

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/asia-pacific/683263.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/asia-pacific/64978.stm

http://www.amnesty.org/ailib/intcam/china/focus.htm

http://www.amnesty.org/ailib/intcam/china/appeals/intro.htm

http://www.sfpc.gov.cn/cn/index.htm

http://usinfo.state.gov/regional/ea/uschina/chhrts.htm

 

[deliciously_naughty]

Re: Why I hate foreigners who assume too much about the US without knowing shit about it!

We don't need your help, or your opinion on what we should be doing for ourselves.


We know what we want out of life. Now get out of our way if you don't want to join in on the prosperity and happiness of being free.

We do however need your oil

Oh, but don't plan on joining the prosperity if you're not white, male and moneyied.

 

[n-erasmus]

Down *TO* it!

quote:

Originally posted by Coolville


It's a problem if you're a Uighur, I guess...


Yeah, racial, religious, sexual, and ethnic oppression is never a *REALLY* serious problem until *YOU* are on the receiving end of it! For those here in America, a question:

what is the only racial/ethnic/sexual group in the country that the Federal Government mandates discrimination against? Also defined as discriminate in FAVOR of every other identifiable group?

Which group does the government issue "progress" reports on decreasing the numbers of, the prosperity of, and opportunities of?

Yeah. We do that here too. But unlike the Uighurs the group here just lies down and enjoys it. An endless supply of subs locally!!

So, the han chinese have affirmative action too. Too damn many uighurs and tibetans. They know how to fix *THAT*.

 

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guess who I just saw

 

[OUTSIDER]

Double bump to pump it to the top.

 

[rider]

Come on Cliff!

Well, at least we don't think the Palestinians are blameless. Did I say they were blameless? Are they being systematically racially exterminated by a vastly superior firepower under the false premise of defense YES.

Systematically racially exterminated by a vastly superior firepower under the false premise of defense. Uhh huh. So the almost daily suicide bombings are all just a ruse. If they are being "systematically exterminated," it is by their own people by dressing them in clothes made by DuPont and sending them into crowded marketplaces to blow themselves up. I don't agree with everything that the Israelis have done, but I have not had to deal with the amount of violence and terrorism sent their way. The Palistinians were not welcomed into other Islamic countries when they were forced out in the 60's. They were forced out because they attacked Israel, and lost. Too damned bad for them. The PLO wants nothing less than the total destruction of Israel. What is the religious makeup of virtually every country surrounding Israel? After all, the common denominator here is religion. Do you really think the Israeli government is setting off suicide bombers to blame Palestinians? Do you deny the fact that these so-called "martyrs" are idolized by schoolkids there? Every time the Israeli government has eased off, a new round of suicide bombers goes to work, killing innocent women and children which is forbidden by the religion they profess. Oh, please, let me wipe the tears from my eyes for those poor, downtrodden, people. How can I help to prevent the "systematic racial extermination?" Where are the concentration camps? I am not Jewish, but don't you DARE make the analogy that the Palestinians are being systematically, racially exterminated. Where is the charity of other Islamic countries to take in the Palestinians to solve the problem altogether? Oh, that is right, they want to destroy Israel, and that is a good thing, right?

 

[Coolville]

Re: Come on Cliff!

Systematically racially exterminated by a vastly superior firepower under the false premise of defense. Uhh huh. So the almost daily suicide bombings are all just a ruse. If they are being "systematically exterminated," it is by their own people by dressing them in clothes made by DuPont and sending them into crowded marketplaces to blow themselves up. I don't agree with everything that the Israelis have done, but I have not had to deal with the amount of violence and terrorism sent their way. The Palistinians were not welcomed into other Islamic countries when they were forced out in the 60's. They were forced out because they attacked Israel, and lost. Too damned bad for them. The PLO wants nothing less than the total destruction of Israel. What is the religious makeup of virtually every country surrounding Israel? After all, the common denominator here is religion. Do you really think the Israeli government is setting off suicide bombers to blame Palestinians? Do you deny the fact that these so-called "martyrs" are idolized by schoolkids there? Every time the Israeli government has eased off, a new round of suicide bombers goes to work, killing innocent women and children which is forbidden by the religion they profess. Oh, please, let me wipe the tears from my eyes for those poor, downtrodden, people. How can I help to prevent the "systematic racial extermination?" Where are the concentration camps? I am not Jewish, but don't you DARE make the analogy that the Palestinians are being systematically, racially exterminated. Where is the charity of other Islamic countries to take in the Palestinians to solve the problem altogether? Oh, that is right, they want to destroy Israel, and that is a good thing, right?

Do you need a broom to go with those sweeping generalisations?

there are no good guys in the middle east. but there are millions of people who have no state, no nationality and who are wacky enough to desire infrastructure, clean water, schools. Those crazy motherfuckers...

what is the difference between the Jewish terrorists fighting for a state to call their own in the years after WW2 and Palestinians fighting against oppression in the hope of gaining a state to call their own?

 

[Rex1960]

Re: China

... For starters, here are some links...

thanks LD

 

[Rex1960]

Re: Re: Come on Cliff!

Do you need a broom to go with those sweeping generalisations?

there are no good guys in the middle east.

"There are no" as in "not a single one" ???
How do you call this kind of generalisation ? Or is it sarcasm only ?

 

[rider]

Coolville

there are no good guys in the middle east.

So the young kids killed by suicide bombers are bad guys and deserved killing. If you say so, man. So the Jews are bad because they are there, and the Palestinians aren't as bad because they are fighting for a homeland that they lost by attacking Israel. Makes perfect sense to me, if I drink a little bit.

there are millions of people who have no state, no nationality

Oh, but they do have a nationality. They are Israelis. They are also members of a seperatist movement, Palestinians. They don't want a homeland, and infrastructure. They want to destroy Israel. They want the Jews, who were there first, gone. They do not want peace, and peace comes before infrastructure. They are not welcome in other Islamic countries. Think about it, they are cheap ammunition for the other countries to attack and hurt Israel without being directly involved. One of the Pillars of Islam is Charity, but none is shown to these people, except guns and bombs. So that they attack Israel and Israel cracks back down on them, hurting them more. Look at the trends. The Palestinian people, when fighting as an army, lost although they had superior numbers. They are not freedom fighters, they are cowards and murderers. If they only attacked military personnel, I would have a different view. They target civilians as much as possible, in shopping and entertainment areas usually. Often, women and children are hurt or killed, against Islam and the rules of Jihad.