Why does anyone NEED an assault rifle?

[Hypoxia]

I picked B,D,E, and F. Everything else falls into subcategories under what was formerly known as Common Sense in my head.

I await other taxonomists, botanical or otherwise, to submit y'all's own categorizations. But don't forget stuff that pokes or chops. And expect deadlier stuff to be regulated and restricted more than stuff you must really work at to do damage, like bludgeons, or rolling boulders down on your victims.

 

[My I]

A person might be able to beat a couple of people to death before they are subdued, but a person armed with an assault rifle converted to full auto or affixed with a bump stock can kill 58 people and wound over 500 in a matter of minutes. This person did not become a criminal until he opened fire on the crowd so your scenario doesn't hold water.

And what about the other 8 million+ who didn't? Stop punishing the innocent and punish the criminals.

 

[My I]

I'm no liberal, maybe a radical who the NRA dislikes as I don't buy their BS. What the NRA will not tell its members or the general public is that at least two guns have already been banned, the Thompson submachine gun and the Uzi. The only way a person can own one of these is by obtaining it from a person who owned the gun prior to 1989. If the gun is sold it has to be registered by the new owner who also must be fingerprinted and photographed. If the new owner doesn't register the gun nor get fingerprinted and photographed and is caught with the gun, then it's off to prison for them.

Sorry, but the NRA is not hiding that from anyone. And again, you can still buy a brand new Thompson SEMI-AUTO or UZI SEMI-AUTO today. There are a lot more fully automatic rifles and pistols on that list. The Glock 18 is full auto. The Beretta 93R is full auto. But you have to have an FFL and the proper tax stamp to purchase one.

Here's a couple facts the Liberals are hiding from you: NO ONE who legally owns a fully automatic weapon has ever been a mass shooter. No mass shooter in the history of the United States has ever been an NRA member.

 

[coachdb18]

I await other taxonomists, botanical or otherwise, to submit y'all's own categorizations. But don't forget stuff that pokes or chops. And expect deadlier stuff to be regulated and restricted more than stuff you must really work at to do damage, like bludgeons, or rolling boulders down on your victims.

So what you’re really after is for the cattle to take part in designing your hamburger? Not hungry for the shit you’re serving!

 

[My I]

Support gun control, you child hating Nazi bigots!

 

[Carnal_Flower]

Right, because the paranoia of "gun owners" is an urgent issue unlike kids getting their heads blown off in school.

You don't win. You need to shut up.

A proper human response is, "I'd give up my guns to prevent all this bloodshed." Not "What about MEEEEEEEE."

The universe won't stop spinning. The country won't crumble. The gub-mint won't take over your life. You can do it! Just say no to guns!

What we REALLY need, is to send in the National Guard to take over those state governments that are denying 2A rights to their citizens, like they did with the black kids who were rejected school entry, also in violation of their Constitutional rights. It’s long past time for states like CA, NY, NJ, CT to get put on notice, and have THEIR government operations under federal scrutiny, like they did to southern states for voting rights infractions. Time to end the bullshit, and reinvigorate Constitional law

 

[My I]

Right, because the paranoia of "gun owners" is an urgent issue unlike kids getting their heads blown off in school.

You don't win. You need to shut up.

A proper human response is, "I'd give up my guns to prevent all this bloodshed." Not "What about MEEEEEEEE."

The universe won't stop spinning. The country won't crumble. The gub-mint won't take over your life. You can do it! Just say no to guns!

It's not the gun owners who are paranoid, Dumbass. A PROPER, reasonable, rational response is to punish the people who commit the crimes, NOT the people who had NOTHING to do with it. Or perhaps you are looking to be arrested for prostitution?

 

[BotanyBoy]

No. They do information gathering along with the FBI but they're random, and depend on the locals. We need oversight. An agency like the NTSB which has the power to coordinate among all the different parts, write the report, figuring out exactly what went wrong and how to fix it. Staffed with experts who work only on this. They have more power.

That's what the FBI does.....and the NTSB does not have more power or resources than the FBI, or even the ATF.

Local law enforcement might be able to tell you ok this is how this underage kid got a gun but they can't really do anything about it.

Even with the feds it's a crap shoot if they can do anything about it in time...like with Cruz in Florida. They knew, everyone in the community warned them, but they were too busy looking for collusion and trying to find dirt on Trump to do their fucking jobs.

When they find out a certain part of an aircraft has a defect they figure out a way to FIX IT and don't expect to see the problem again. if it does happen again it's a massive failure. Each accident refines their control. That's why we have such few airplane crashes.

We're talking about people going insane though, not a faulty bit of manufacturing/design deficiency.

Be a hero, figure out how to fix crazy and everyone wins!!

We should never have another Adam Lanza. We need a Behavioral Wing that works with spotting and reporting psychos. And of course we need the gun experts. They should have the power to take a gun out of circulation just like the NTSB can ground a fleet.

So what other civil rights should the federal alphabet agencies be able to summarily dismiss and violate?

Right, because the paranoia of "gun owners" is an urgent issue unlike kids getting their heads blown off in school.

You don't win. You need to shut up.

A proper human response is, "I'd give up my guns to prevent all this bloodshed." Not "What about MEEEEEEEE."

Giving up my guns will prevent all the bloodshed?

Plenty of people give up their guns after the Pulse club shooting, didn't seem to stop any shootings.

Why would I set my money on fire to make you feel better?

A proper human response is "Some nut in Florida or wherever loosing it doesn't mean I have to give up my right to life, liberty and property....because this is the USA, not Soviet Russia or North Korea. So take your commie bullshit and stuff it sister. "

The universe won't stop spinning. The country won't crumble. The gub-mint won't take over your life. You can do it! Just say no to guns!

No it wont.

Why? I enjoy competitive shooting, hunting and the extra security provided out here in the boonies where the cops are 45 min away at best.

 

[dan_c00000]

The AR15 didn't shoot those kids.

No? So then how did they die? Was it magic? Did Cruz yell "bang bang"?

Again your pro-child killing logic is really baffling. I understand you're for more dead children but I'm struggling to figure out why more dead kids is a positive in your world. Could you explain it to me?

 

[My I]

No? So then how did they die? Was it magic? Did Cruz yell "bang bang"?

Again your pro-child killing logic is really baffling. I understand you're for more dead children but I'm struggling to figure out why more dead kids is a positive in your world. Could you explain it to me?

And your ignorance is ASTOUNDING. The GUN did not act on its own volition you stupid shit. CRUZ had to load the gun. CRUZ had to take it to the school. CRUZ had to pull the trigger. The GUN does NOTHING on its own.

Or maybe YOU live in a magic world where brooms and mops dance and the tableware sings and guns have a mind of their own.

 

[dan_c00000]

The GUN did

Ah there's the answer. It finally came out: the gun killed all those people. From the way you were explaining it you made it sound like Cruz just wanted to kill a bunch of kids and all of a sudden it happened.

It turns out he needed a gun to do it. Now it make sense: Cruz, Roof, and Paddock were able to kill all those people because a gun did it.

Now that we've established that how come you're so pro-child killing?

 

[coachdb18]

That's what the FBI does.....and the NTSB does not have more power or resources than the FBI, or even the ATF.



Even with the feds it's a crap shoot if they can do anything about it in time...like with Cruz in Florida. They knew, everyone in the community warned them, but they were too busy looking for collusion and trying to find dirt on Trump to do their fucking jobs.



We're talking about people going insane though, not a faulty bit of manufacturing/design deficiency.

Be a hero, figure out how to fix crazy and everyone wins!!



So what other civil rights should the federal alphabet agencies be able to summarily dismiss and violate?



Giving up my guns will prevent all the bloodshed?

Plenty of people give up their guns after the Pulse club shooting, didn't seem to stop any shootings.

Why would I set my money on fire to make you feel better?

A proper human response is "Some nut in Florida or wherever loosing it doesn't mean I have to give up my right to life, liberty and property....because this is the USA, not Soviet Russia or North Korea. So take your commie bullshit and stuff it sister. "





No it wont.

Why? I enjoy competitive shooting, hunting and the extra security provided out here in the boonies where the cops are 45 min away at best.

Carnal Flower is a complete and total fucking idiot... I'm sure he has no idea what it's like to actually work in aircraft accident investigation, but comparing the gun control effort to that of the NTSB is off the fucking charts.

First, consider that NTSB is involved in ACCIDENT investigation, and mass shootings are NOT accidents, they're intentional. The 911 event involved airplanes, but there is no investigation required to determine what went wrong with the airplanes, because they were perfectly well maintained, and only flew as commanded by those behind the controls. So an ACCIDENT investigation, just like a gun that only works as advertised, does nothing but waste paper, when the entire problem was with the operator.

Just like the terrorists took over the planes, the mass shooter takes over guns and uses them to kill. Airplanes and guns are both simply the TOOLS the terrorists choose to get the desired effect they want, which is simply mass casualties. Get the SHOOTER, not the guns.

The answer to 911 was not to ban airplanes.

So it is that the answer to guns is not to ban them, but to stop the shooter, and thus you need more conceal carry guns to bring down the rogue shooters in the fastest manner possible. TSA was also formed to stop those who wish to become pilots via utility knives. A cop has been proven to be on average 8 to 10 minutes away, and that's why we have mass casualties. Immediacy of response is the answer, and that requires having the defensive use of guns within the area in the shortest amount of time.

Ah there's the answer. It finally came out: the gun killed all those people. From the way you were explaining it you made it sound like Cruz just wanted to kill a bunch of kids and all of a sudden it happened.

It turns out he needed a gun to do it. Now it make sense: Cruz, Roof, and Paddock were able to kill all those people because a gun did it.

Now that we've established that how come you're so pro-child killing?

And another clueless ass... are you trying to say the plane kills children, so ban airplanes?

Fucking mental health needs to start with giving Progressives a fucking clue...

 

[KimGordon67]

Carnal Flower is a complete and total fucking idiot... I'm sure he has no idea what it's like to actually work in aircraft accident investigation, but comparing the gun control effort to that of the NTSB is off the fucking charts.

First, consider that NTSB is involved in ACCIDENT investigation, and mass shootings are NOT accidents, they're intentional. The 911 event involved airplanes, but there is no investigation required to determine what went wrong with the airplanes, because they were perfectly well maintained, and only flew as commanded by those behind the controls. So an ACCIDENT investigation, just like a gun that only works as advertised, does nothing but waste paper, when the entire problem was with the operator.

Just like the terrorists took over the planes, the mass shooter takes over guns and uses them to kill. Airplanes and guns are both simply the TOOLS the terrorists choose to get the desired effect they want, which is simply mass casualties. Get the SHOOTER, not the guns.

The answer to 911 was not to ban airplanes.

So it is that the answer to guns is not to ban them, but to stop the shooter, and thus you need more conceal carry guns to bring down the rogue shooters in the fastest manner possible. TSA was also formed to stop those who wish to become pilots via utility knives. A cop has been proven to be on average 8 to 10 minutes away, and that's why we have mass casualties. Immediacy of response is the answer, and that requires having the defensive use of guns within the area in the shortest amount of time.

Planes ... hugely useful to an incredible number of people on a daily basis.
Guns ... good for hunting things.

It's amazing a Mensa member can't tell the difference.

 

[dan_c00000]

And another clueless ass... are you trying to say the plane kills children, so ban airplanes?

Why would you ban planes? You can't take a plane into a school, church, or hotel and shoot kids. Also, if you wanted to fly the plane you'd have to take classes and get a license. You don't have to do either of those things to get a gun.

You're still dodging my question: why do you want to kill kids?

 

[KeithD]

And why would anyone's dogged "need" to own an AR-15 override anyone else's right to live?

I never see a response to this in all of the deflection and distraction posted by gun nuts on this board.

 

[Hypoxia]

Hey traitor, turn yourself in now. Time's a-wasting.

So what you’re really after is for the cattle to take part in designing your hamburger? Not hungry for the shit you’re serving!

I suggested that any botany or biology student could write a fitting taxonomy. It's all so Linnaean, hey? I offered a possible framework for others to build on, modify, or disregard. You may certainly write your own, assuming you've any idea how to analyze and categorize. Have fun... before you're deported.

The answer to 911 was not to ban airplanes.

Actually, it was. US airspace was shut down then, and a month later after a suspicious jetliner crash in NYC. Non-military flight was banned. Take that as a model for firearms control.

 

[Blue]

Actually, it was. US airspace was shut down then, and a month later after a suspicious jetliner crash in NYC. Non-military flight was banned. Take that as a model for firearms control.

Not to mention that you can't even bring nail clippers onto flights and have to basically be molested by the TSA to board due to the regulations introduced on airlines because of 9/11.

 

[KimGordon67]

Carnal Flower is a complete and total fucking idiot... I'm sure he has no idea what it's like to actually work in aircraft accident investigation, but comparing the gun control effort to that of the NTSB is off the fucking charts.

First, consider that NTSB is involved in ACCIDENT investigation, and mass shootings are NOT accidents, they're intentional. The 911 event involved airplanes, but there is no investigation required to determine what went wrong with the airplanes, because they were perfectly well maintained, and only flew as commanded by those behind the controls. So an ACCIDENT investigation, just like a gun that only works as advertised, does nothing but waste paper, when the entire problem was with the operator.

Just like the terrorists took over the planes, the mass shooter takes over guns and uses them to kill. Airplanes and guns are both simply the TOOLS the terrorists choose to get the desired effect they want, which is simply mass casualties. Get the SHOOTER, not the guns.

The answer to 911 was not to ban airplanes.

So it is that the answer to guns is not to ban them, but to stop the shooter, and thus you need more conceal carry guns to bring down the rogue shooters in the fastest manner possible. TSA was also formed to stop those who wish to become pilots via utility knives. A cop has been proven to be on average 8 to 10 minutes away, and that's why we have mass casualties. Immediacy of response is the answer, and that requires having the defensive use of guns within the area in the shortest amount of time.



And another clueless ass... are you trying to say the plane kills children, so ban airplanes?

Fucking mental health needs to start with giving Progressives a fucking clue...

Also, why 9/11 didn't result in planes being banned (because that would be patently ridiculous), it did result in the banning of the things that made it possible to take control of a plane. Terrorists can still actually fly on planes - they're just not allowed sharp things. No one is allowed sharp things.

 

[My I]

And why would anyone's dogged "need" to own an AR-15 override anyone else's right to live?

I never see a response to this in all of the deflection and distraction posted by gun nuts on this board.

Why do you believe that everyone who owns a gun is out to kill people?

 

[Hypoxia]

And why would anyone's dogged "need" to own an AR-15 override anyone else's right to live?

I never see a response to this in all of the deflection and distraction posted by gun nuts on this board.

The answer there is simple. Without our inalienable right to live as a person born, no other rights exist.

Gunpowder addicts MUST avoid acknowledging the reality: You have a right to kill or be killed, period. No other rights are possible. Your right to vote matters not, if you're dead. Right of religion, freedom of speech and the press, right to due process -- none exist if you're dead.

Skuzzbuckets think America will tolerate slaughter forever. I doubt that.

 

[coachdb18]

And why would anyone's dogged "need" to own an AR-15 override anyone else's right to live?

I never see a response to this in all of the deflection and distraction posted by gun nuts on this board.

Maybe you just can't see the answer, which has been painted before your eyes, repeatedly and three ways to Sunday?
https://i.imgur.com/uAhCfqj.jpg

 

[KimGordon67]

Why do you believe that everyone who owns a gun is out to kill people?

Not everyone who owns a gun is out to kill people, but in the US it seems that pretty much everyone who is out to kill people owns a gun. That's kind of inarguable.

The point is really whether taking the guns off those people is worth compromising the 'needs' of those gun-owners who aren't out to kill people. No one is really presenting a particularly convincing argument for this 'need' beyond reference to some vague notion of a 'right' enshrined in a historical document that only seems to be a 'right in the US (and one other country).

 

[coachdb18]

The answer there is simple. Without our inalienable right to live as a person born, no other rights exist.

Gunpowder addicts MUST avoid acknowledging the reality: You have a right to kill or be killed, period. No other rights are possible. Your right to vote matters not, if you're dead. Right of religion, freedom of speech and the press, right to due process -- none exist if you're dead.

Skuzzbuckets think America will tolerate slaughter forever. I doubt that.

Maybe if you recognized that your rights exist from the moment of your conception, there'd be far less slaughter. The inalienable right to life exists not only of the born, but of ALL. (I'll refrain for now from re-quoting the laws of the 50 states that make killing of the fetus - termed feticide - a punishable crime of its own.)

 

[Hypoxia]

Why do you believe that everyone who owns a gun is out to kill people?

People without firearms can and do kill people or at least dream about it. Firearms simplify the process. You don't need to roll boulders down on me. It's difficult to shoot someone with a firearm you don't carry. If you're not out to shoot someone or something, don't carry.

No, not everyone carrying in public wants to kill. But what's to stop you?

 

[KimGordon67]

People without firearms can and do kill people or at least dream about it. Firearms simplify the process. You don't need to roll boulders down on me. It's difficult to shoot someone with a firearm you don't carry. If you're not out to shoot someone or something, don't carry.

No, not everyone carrying in public wants to kill. But what's to stop you?

LOL ... apparently the thing that stops them is other people with guns.