Why does anyone NEED an assault rifle?

[My I]

I'm pretty sure fire extinguishers don't go out an actively murder children. Unless you've got a different type of extinguisher over there in racist, homophobic, pro-child killing land.

I'm pretty sure AR15s don't either.

 

[phrodeau]

I'm pretty sure AR15s don't either.

Neither does the Grand Canyon. It's an inanimate object. Several people die every year from falling into the canyon. Why do you suppose they put up guard rails and insist that children have adult supervision?

 

[Hypoxia]

Neither does the Grand Canyon. It's an inanimate object. Several people die every year from falling into the canyon. Why do you suppose they put up guard rails and insist that children have adult supervision?

To avoid negligence lawsuits. You get hurt, it's your fault, not ours. Nobody forced your idiot kid to jump off the edge.

There are canyons in Mexico bigger than the Grand Canyon of the Colorado and they mostly lack guard rails. The river in Sumidero Canyon is infested with crocodiles, so don't fall out of the tour canoe or off that viewpoint. No, assault weapons are not encouraged. It's you vs, croc, mano-a-mano. Let the best vertebrate win.

 

[phrodeau]

To avoid negligence lawsuits. You get hurt, it's your fault, not ours. Nobody forced your idiot kid to jump off the edge.

There are canyons in Mexico bigger than the Grand Canyon of the Colorado and they mostly lack guard rails. The river in Sumidero Canyon is infested with crocodiles, so don't fall out of the tour canoe or off that viewpoint. No, assault weapons are not encouraged. It's you vs, croc, mano-a-mano. Let the best vertebrate win.

How can an inanimate object be negligent?

 

[My I]

Ok, so.... I have 2 apples here and two apples here..... That gives me.... 87 pears.

Fixed that for you.

 

[phrodeau]

Fixed that for you.

Better check your insurance policies to see if they cover gun negligence.

 

[My I]

Better check your insurance policies to see if they cover gun negligence.

They do. Costs me an extra $25 a year. Had that coverage for 30 yrs and never needed it.

Do you have a policy to cover your stupidity? Bet you need that all the time.

 

[coachdb18]

Better check your insurance policies to see if they cover gun negligence.

How can an inanimate object be negligent?

Who the FUCK can be that schizophrenic in public, and not be institutionalized?

 

[My I]

Who the FUCK can be that schizophrenic in public, and not be institutionalized?

Only Mark David Chapman and Smeagle.

 

[Carnal_Flower]

I keep telling you they have and you keep insisting they've only banned "cosmetic" parts of it.

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You would have to ban semi automatics for there to be any real effect via prohibition.

 

[KimGordon67]

But when neither of you are armed your odds of survival are much greater than even if both of you were. That's why Europe has a much much smaller murder rate in the USA. Troops overseas is a different story, but it's demonstrably true that a society with less guns and more difficult proliferation of them are safer than those with the inverse.

Basically it comes down to whether you would rather be in a knife fight than a gun fight.

Exactly ... it seems so difficult for people to understand that you only really 'need' a gun to defend yourself if you're in a situation where you have to assume that everyone else has guns too. I guess if you're in that situation, though, it's difficult to imagine any alternative.

 

[KimGordon67]

Don't cop out. That's childish and rude. Explain it.

I have seen just about every chart you can come up with at one time or another NONE of them show a statistic for Armed attacker vs Armed Defender. None. Not with ANY weapon. So if you have a chart that shows that I want to see it.

If that's the case, what exactly are you using to support your argument that guns make people safer?

 

[coachdb18]

Don't cop out. That's childish and rude. Explain it.

I have seen just about every chart you can come up with at one time or another NONE of them show a statistic for Armed attacker vs Armed Defender. None. Not with ANY weapon. So if you have a chart that shows that I want to see it.

UK crime overall is more drug related (327 times more than United States), and assaults are far more prevalent (rape is twice as likely in UK as in US). So while you're more likely to be killed in the US, you're more likely to be violently attacked in the UK (rate there is three times that of the US). Because of this, the overall figure for being fearful of walking alone at night is actually 21% higher in the UK than in the US. The ability to defend yourself still exists in the US, while it's been largely removed in the UK, making victimization much easier.

source: Nationmaster

 

[KimGordon67]

UK crime overall is more drug related (327 times more than United States), and assaults are far more prevalent (rape is twice as likely in UK as in US). So while you're more likely to be killed in the US, you're more likely to be violently attacked in the UK (rate there is three times that of the US). Because of this, the overall figure for being fearful of walking alone at night is actually 21% higher in the UK than in the US. The ability to defend yourself still exists in the US, while it's been largely removed in the UK, making victimization much easier.

source: Nationmaster

I'm pretty sure I posted something way back that said people in the US feel LESS safe.
It would be helpful if Coach posted the actual link to his supposed stats.

 

[KimGordon67]

UK crime overall is more drug related (327 times more than United States), and assaults are far more prevalent (rape is twice as likely in UK as in US). So while you're more likely to be killed in the US, you're more likely to be violently attacked in the UK (rate there is three times that of the US). Because of this, the overall figure for being fearful of walking alone at night is actually 21% higher in the UK than in the US. The ability to defend yourself still exists in the US, while it's been largely removed in the UK, making victimization much easier.

source: Nationmaster

And here it is (with an actual link and everything, also to Nationmaster).
Coach Binky has yet again misread a stat. The stat is 'Feels safe walking alone at night' (not 'fearful'). The UK is 21% higher in terms of feeling safe, not at risk.

Here's the original chart - as this clearly illustrates again, people feel SAFER walking alone at night in the UK.

As Coach quite possibly actually does have me on ignore, can someone repost this so as to hopefully demonstrate to him what the stats actually say?

(Also from the first chart - fear of violent crime is higher in the US, the murder rate (i.e. per million) is higher in the US.
Yes, total crime is higher in the UK, but as we've discussed, there could be a number of reasons for that ... I seriously don't believe gun ownership is one of them. But even if it were, I'd rather live somewhere with more crime but less risk of being murdered, given that 'crime' could include jaywalking or drug use ... actually drug use probably does contribute to it, considering the higher use of opiates in the UK.)

 

[phrodeau]

Only Mark David Chapman and Smeagle.

I'm pretty sure that Mark David Chapman is institutionalized.

 

[dan_c00000]

I'm pretty sure AR15s don't either.

So he magick'd all those kids dead? That's a brilliant argument.

The pro-child killers always have a unique logic.

 

[Carnal_Flower]

So these kids who have been through a shooting and watched their friends get blown away are protesting gun violence, and you just want to punch the shit out of them. Yeah! Being shot at with a semi-automatic is not good enough for you. You want to get your hands around their scrawny little necks and squeeze, or pound their zitty little faces in, on top of everything else.

Big man on chat boards can vent his sadistic rage and fantasize about beating them up, but you can't do that in public, because the public and the corporations are clearly on their side. Just ask Laura Ingraham. You're LOSING.

You have it backwards. The sleep giant is the #neveragain movement, dude. You, along with the NRA and Marco Rubio and Laura Ingraham, are shitting your pants in fear, and it's making you so mad.

Do you fantasize about beating the shit out of these kids, big guy? How fucking old are you?

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/newpix/2018/03/23/02/4A75F40900000578-0-image-a-21_1521771667672.jpg

When I see a bunch of acne faced whiney high school kids being loud and obnoxious for their ‘gun control’ handlers, I’m reminded of the National Geographic video of the little full of energy and spunk bear cub wandering up to the big sleeping Adult male bear, and pestering the living shit out of him, which upon about the third such occurrence, the resting giant takes one giant paw to the little fucker, knocking him about 3/4 of the way across the Sarenghetti. At which point the little guy somberly staggers back to a safe distance and puts his soft little rattled head down for a nap!

 

[My I]

If that's the case, what exactly are you using to support your argument that guns make people safer?

Fine. No charts that you are gonna call fake or lies. No long articles that you aren't going to read.

Just REALITY.

REALITY

REALITY.

REALITY

RAELITY

REALITY

REALITY

HOGS!

REALITY

REALITY

REALITY

Do you need to see more? There's hundreds of them on youtube.

Ok, one short article

And maybe where you're from these kinds of home invasions and business robberies don't happen. But they DO here. And it is NOT a rare occurrence. I have seen others reporting on people who were home when their home was broken into and had no way to defend themselves. It's RARE when those stories have a survivor to interview.

 

[phrodeau]

And here it is (with an actual link and everything, also to Nationmaster).
Coach Binky has yet again misread a stat. The stat is 'Feels safe walking alone at night' (not 'fearful'). The UK is 21% higher in terms of feeling safe, not at risk.

Here's the original chart - as this clearly illustrates again, people feel SAFER walking alone at night in the UK.

As Coach quite possibly actually does have me on ignore, can someone repost this so as to hopefully demonstrate to him what the stats actually say?

(Also from the first chart - fear of violent crime is higher in the US, the murder rate (i.e. per million) is higher in the US.
Yes, total crime is higher in the UK, but as we've discussed, there could be a number of reasons for that ... I seriously don't believe gun ownership is one of them. But even if it were, I'd rather live somewhere with more crime but less risk of being murdered, given that 'crime' could include jaywalking or drug use ... actually drug use probably does contribute to it, considering the higher use of opiates in the UK.)

Quoted because he's not ignoring me. It seems I entertain him.

Won't do any good thought, disdain for knowledge and all.

 

[phrodeau]

Fine. No charts that you are gonna call fake or lies. No long articles that you aren't going to read.

Just REALITY.

REALITY

REALITY.

REALITY

RAELITY

REALITY

REALITY

HOGS!

REALITY

REALITY

REALITY

Do you need to see more? There's hundreds of them on youtube.

Ok, one short article

And maybe where you're from these kinds of home invasions and business robberies don't happen. But they DO here. And it is NOT a rare occurrence. I have seen others reporting on people who were home when their home was broken into and had no way to defend themselves. It's RARE when those stories have a survivor to interview.

So successfully defending your home from invasion is rare, you say?

 

[My I]

So he magick'd all those kids dead? That's a brilliant argument.

The pro-child killers always have a unique logic.

How fucking stupid are you that you can't even follow your own conversation???

You claim fire extinguishers go out and actively murder children. No. They don't. because they are inanimate objects. They need a person to operate them, Dumbass.

AR15s don't go out and actively shoot children either. Takes a person pulling the trigger, Dumbass.

And now you can't remember your other post so so take it all out of context and try to argue it differently?

The AR15 didn't shoot those kids. CRUZ used one to do it.

Fucking woodshop hand tools have higher IQs than you.

 

[My I]

I'm a stupid cunt.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/newpix/2018/03/23/02/4A75F40900000578-0-image-a-21_1521771667672.jpg

Fixed that for you.

And congrats!! In 55 years I have never used that word to describe a woman. You're the first. It was the only word I could find to describe it. Even a total bitch has one or two endearing qualities. But you have NONE. ZERO. NADA.

To sit there and accuse gun owners of being as cold hearted as to not care what happened to those kids and their friends is nothing more than an attempt to use spite to piss people off and get a reaction. YOU want to stand on their graves and shout slander to get what you want.

Why don't you try fixing the REAL FUCKING PROBLEM instead of being a stupid cunt?

You are now on ignore. I have more use for used toilet paper than I do an ignorant, offensive retard like you.

And now you get to do your happy dance because you think that means you win.

 

[KimGordon67]

Fine. No charts that you are gonna call fake or lies. No long articles that you aren't going to read.

Just REALITY.

REALITY

REALITY.

REALITY

RAELITY

REALITY

REALITY

HOGS!

REALITY

REALITY

REALITY

Do you need to see more? There's hundreds of them on youtube.

Ok, one short article

And maybe where you're from these kinds of home invasions and business robberies don't happen. But they DO here. And it is NOT a rare occurrence. I have seen others reporting on people who were home when their home was broken into and had no way to defend themselves. It's RARE when those stories have a survivor to interview.

I'm not paying attention to anecdotal evidence because ... well, it's anecdotal.

Re: the 'article' you posted - here's other stuff written by the same author - he's not exactly a 'neutral' voice. And his correlations in no shape or form constitute 'peer reviewed research'. If, however, you're offering that as the evidence of your argument, I'll do some serious analysis of it. ARE you offering that as the evidence of your argument?

 

[KimGordon67]

Quoted because he's not ignoring me. It seems I entertain him.

Won't do any good thought, disdain for knowledge and all.

LOL - thanks. The utterly ridiculous thing is that I'm literally citing exactly the same data as him, from exactly the same source. I'm just reading what it actually says, instead of what I want it to say.