Why do so many Americans distrust the mainstream media? By John Engelman

[jomar]

The Washington Post
George Floyd's America: Examining systemic racism and racial injustice in post civil rights America
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/10/12/george-floyd-america/

According to this series of articles, George Floyd was not responsible for his crimes, and the illegitimate children he fathered and did not support. Somehow, white people forced him to behave that way. This is an insult to the black men who were born poor, obeyed the law, and got married before having children.

If that’s your take away you misunderstood and missed the point of the series.

 

[JohnEngelman]

If that’s your take away you misunderstood and missed the point of the series.

OK, Big Guy. What was the point of the series?

 

[Rightguide]

According to a Gallup survey released October 7, 2021. only 36% of Americans have a great deal or a fair amount of trust in the mainstream media.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/355526/americans-trust-media-dips-second-lowest-record.aspx

Years ago I read an article in The New York Times that said that most liberals do not want to be told anything bad about blacks or homosexuals. It can be said that most liberal journalists do not want to report anything bad about them either.

We saw this during the George Floyd riots when the mainstream media told us about “mainly peaceful protests against racial injustice.” We were rarely told that the riots cost at least two billion dollars in damage,

https://fee.org/articles/george-floyd-riots-caused-record-setting-2-billio n-in-damage-new-report-says-here-s-why-the-true-cost-is-even-higher

that George Floyd had been convicted of nine crimes, six of which were felonies, and that he had five illegitimate children.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Floyd

The official story was that George Floyd had been a saintly victim all his life of irrational color prejudice.

This is typical of the mainstream media. It is not typical of the image most whites have of blacks who have seen blacks up close on terms of approximate equality in environments where blacks are in the majority.

Whites who have learned to distrust what the mainstream media tells them about blacks are prone to distrust what it tells them about COVID-19 and global warming.


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The four-year phony Trump Russian Collusion story left their reputation for truth in tatters.

 

[Rightguide]

OK, Big Guy. What was the point of the series?

I hope you don't plan on waiting for a straight answer.

 

[JohnEngelman]

I hope you don't plan on waiting for a straight answer.

Where you and I probably disagree is that I do not see a lot of justice in our economic system. A decent person can be poor all his life. Many people work hard all their lives and end up with the drudgery that is the quiet end of so many American dreams.

Decent men do not earn six felony convictions, like George Floyd did. They do not have five illegitimate children, like George Floyd did. I have no sympathy for George Floyd. Poverty is no excuse for the way he lived his life. I have no sympathy for the way he died. He was resisting arrest. George Floyd was completely unworthy of being canonized as a secular saint.

George Floyd was not the victim of "systemic racism" whatever that is. American society was the victim of George Floyd's moral deficiencies.

 

[LincolnDuncan]

My racism consists of my willingness to point out that by every objective, measurable criteria, blacks tend to be significantly less intelligent than whites, that they have a murder rate that is nearly eight times the white rate, and an illegitimacy rate that is two and a half the white rate. Orientals tend to be more intelligent than whites, and to be more obedient to the law and monogamous.

Those who call me a racist know that this is true, but they do not like being told. That is just what The New York Times article I read claimed.

Hey racist, the differences you point out have more to do with economics than race.

 

[JohnEngelman]

Hey racist, the differences you point out have more to do with economics than race.

If that is true, why is this true?

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Poverty is no excuse for crime. It is not even an explanation. Jews and Orientals have low crime rates everywhere in the world that they live, even when they are poor.

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During the 1960s, for instance, the residents of San Francisco's Chinatown were among America's poorest people—with the most unemployment, the worst housing conditions, the least education, and the highest rate of tuberculosis in their city. Yet despite such hardships, only five people of Chinese ancestry went to jail in the entire state of California in 1965.[1]

Similarly, Jewish immigrants to America during the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries also repudiated criminality despite having to face extreme economic deprivation. Historian Max Dimont describes them:

"The majority of these immigrants had arrived penniless, all their worldly belongings wrapped in a bundle.... Most of [them] arrived in New York. Some made their way into other cities,... but the majority remained in New York, settling in the Lower East Side of Manhattan, [which was] a neighborhood of the poor. Sociologists, with their impressive charts showing the number of toilets (or lack of the), the number of people per room, the low per capita income, paint a dismal picture of the Lower East Side Jewish slum. But their charts do not capture its uniqueness. Though it bred tuberculosis and rheumatism, it did not breed crime and venereal disease. It did not spawn illiteracy, illegitimate children, or deserted wives. Library cards were in constant use."[2]

NOTES:

[1] James Q. Wilson and Richard Herrnstein, Crime and Human Nature (New York: Simon & Schuster, 1985), p. 473.

[2] Max I. Dimont, Jews, God, and History (New York: Penguin USA, 1994), pp. 373-374. (This book was originally published in 1962.)

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I have lived with poor Vietnamese and poor Negroes. There is a difference. I lived in downtown San Jose, California during the early 1980's when the area was engulfed by Vietnamese war refuges. Most were poor. They were good people. Vietnamese teenagers did not spend their days harassing their teachers, like many black teenagers do. They respected their teachers, and tried to learn, although they did not have good English skills. They did not spend their nights getting into trouble, like many black teenagers do. They did their homework.

I would often get off work at 10:00 pm, and walk three miles to get home. I was perfectly safe. If I walked through a black neighborhood that late I would risk my life. Do not argue with me about that. Argue with Jesse Jackson:

 

[JohnEngelman]

Here is something else that should be considered by those who blame black academic failure and crime on black poverty, and by extension, white racism:

 

[JohnEngelman]

To argue like a liberal I can find fault with your post. You used the words Negroes and Orientals. That makes it racist

Please add your own insults and swear words where appropriate.

Martin Luther King used the word "Negro" times in his "I have a dream" speech, so I will use it too, thank you very much. When I use the word "Oriental" I do not mean it in a derogatory sense. I am white. I prefer Orientals to whites.

 

[jomar]

OK, Big Guy. What was the point of the series?

They used Floyd to then explore larger societal barriers to success for certain segments of society. For example, one article explored his prowess as an athlete as his hope to escape poverty. But he was at a terrible school. And his grades were poor, ultimately preventing him from being allowed to play due to failing state tests. He was given a chance at some small college, but didn’t get the support he needed for academic success. However, it seemed from the article that Floyd didn’t try all that hard, so there’s his own motivation and discipline working against him. Similar issue explored in Michael Lewis’s The Blind Side, but that kid got tremendous amounts of support and made it to the pros.

Where you and I probably disagree is that I do not see a lot of justice in our economic system. A decent person can be poor all his life. Many people work hard all their lives and end up with the drudgery that is the quiet end of so many American dreams.

Decent men do not earn six felony convictions, like George Floyd did. They do not have five illegitimate children, like George Floyd did. I have no sympathy for George Floyd. Poverty is no excuse for the way he lived his life. I have no sympathy for the way he died. He was resisting arrest. George Floyd was completely unworthy of being canonized as a secular saint.

George Floyd was not the victim of "systemic racism" whatever that is. American society was the victim of George Floyd's moral deficiencies.

Doesn’t mean he should be choked out by a bad cop.

 

[icanhelp1]

Most Americans now see the Democrat bias of the MSM, how it avoids the truth on the basis of political partisanship. Any story that is harmful to the cause is either not reported, outright lied about to protect that cause, or to protect their own integrity resulting from a public discovery of their incorrect reporting in the past.

It's kind of hard to take a media outlet seriously when they claim it's mostly peaceful protest as a building is burning in the background.

 

[ll74]

It's king of hard to take a media outlet seriously when they claim it's mostly peaceful protest as a building is burning in the background.

Less than 10% of the people at the protests participated in violence

 

[Rightguide]

Where you and I probably disagree is that I do not see a lot of justice in our economic system. A decent person can be poor all his life. Many people work hard all their lives and end up with the drudgery that is the quiet end of so many American dreams.

Decent men do not earn six felony convictions, like George Floyd did. They do not have five illegitimate children, like George Floyd did. I have no sympathy for George Floyd. Poverty is no excuse for the way he lived his life. I have no sympathy for the way he died. He was resisting arrest. George Floyd was completely unworthy of being canonized as a secular saint.

George Floyd was not the victim of "systemic racism" whatever that is. American society was the victim of George Floyd's moral deficiencies.

I don't disagree with a single word in bold above. That said, the American system is not a promise of success in life it is an opportunity to be successful with better odds than anywhere else in the world. To the extent that it might be failing isn't a product of the free market foundation of the American system but of its erosion into a command order system propelled over many decades by the good intentions of well-meaning but ignorant people, some not so ignorant. It began with condemnations of the "profit motive" and laments of "the needs of the many" by Marxist-oriented thinkers who thought they had a better idea than the prospects for freedom advanced and codified in the Constitution. All of which has evolved into the state-owned and surreptitiously operated system we have today and by disguise still refers to itself as a free market system.

Our system at its core is about opportunity, hard work, and merit. it's about being and maintaining oneself as a valuable economic asset to somebody else while in turn demanding the same of others who seek commerce with you. In this system, a man who cannot read still has value if he wants to succeed and earn but when the government diminishes the nobility and value of work in the free market with demands that he be paid a minimum wage of say $25 an hour, it condemns him to a life of poverty and dependence he might otherwise have been able to overcome with several smaller jobs and a driving work ethic. These laws were once condemned by Milton Friedman as the most racist ever introduced in America.

 

[Rightguide]

et us take a few minutes to discuss Fox news Channel and examine some of the reasons why the American People might not trust them.

They are more trusted by the American people than any other cable news platform, thus ending presumption number one.

 

[LincolnDuncan]

If that is true, why is this true?

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Poverty is no excuse for crime. It is not even an explanation. Jews and Orientals have low crime rates everywhere in the world that they live, even when they are poor.

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During the 1960s, for instance, the residents of San Francisco's Chinatown were among America's poorest people—with the most unemployment, the worst housing conditions, the least education, and the highest rate of tuberculosis in their city. Yet despite such hardships, only five people of Chinese ancestry went to jail in the entire state of California in 1965.[1]

Similarly, Jewish immigrants to America during the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries also repudiated criminality despite having to face extreme economic deprivation. Historian Max Dimont describes them:

"The majority of these immigrants had arrived penniless, all their worldly belongings wrapped in a bundle.... Most of [them] arrived in New York. Some made their way into other cities,... but the majority remained in New York, settling in the Lower East Side of Manhattan, [which was] a neighborhood of the poor. Sociologists, with their impressive charts showing the number of toilets (or lack of the), the number of people per room, the low per capita income, paint a dismal picture of the Lower East Side Jewish slum. But their charts do not capture its uniqueness. Though it bred tuberculosis and rheumatism, it did not breed crime and venereal disease. It did not spawn illiteracy, illegitimate children, or deserted wives. Library cards were in constant use."[2]

NOTES:

[1] James Q. Wilson and Richard Herrnstein, Crime and Human Nature (New York: Simon & Schuster, 1985), p. 473.

[2] Max I. Dimont, Jews, God, and History (New York: Penguin USA, 1994), pp. 373-374. (This book was originally published in 1962.)

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I have lived with poor Vietnamese and poor Negroes. There is a difference. I lived in downtown San Jose, California during the early 1980's when the area was engulfed by Vietnamese war refuges. Most were poor. They were good people. Vietnamese teenagers did not spend their days harassing their teachers, like many black teenagers do. They respected their teachers, and tried to learn, although they did not have good English skills. They did not spend their nights getting into trouble, like many black teenagers do. They did their homework.

I would often get off work at 10:00 pm, and walk three miles to get home. I was perfectly safe. If I walked through a black neighborhood that late I would risk my life. Do not argue with me about that. Argue with Jesse Jackson:


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I noticed that there is no mention of the Italian mafia or any of the other European immigrant gangs. The difference is that they were able to assimilate. As much as some African Americans throughout American history have attempted to join the dominant culture, they were rejected. As a result, they have developed a subculture. It's nice that you read books, but I've probably forgotten more about racial and ethnic minorities and immigration than you think that you know. We can also talk about the significant difference between Asian immigrants and the culture they came from as opposed to Africans being kidnapped, abused, broken and enslaved.

 

[Rightguide]

It's king of hard to take a media outlet seriously when they claim it's mostly peaceful protest as a building is burning in the background.

Isn't that the truth.

 

[LincolnDuncan]

What about the Jewish mafia which were rivals to the Italians?

Those american signs of No Dogs and No Irish show that not only blacks were rejected. Yet the Irish eventually made a success of it. What about the arab immigrants today? They are probably racially profiled more than anyone, yet they still succeed. If you see one you see Ahmed the suicide bomber. Yet the majority of arabs overcome it. Only blacks have failed.

Why is it that every one that was discriminated against in america could assimilate and succeed but not blacks? Because in the other races the negative stereotype is a minority, and they have some kind of moral culture. With blacks it is the large majority.

If the problem of violent riots is due to kidnapping and being enslaved, why are blacks in africa even more violent? They were never kidnapped and never enslaved.

If you can't answer your own question, I'm sure that I can't explain it to you. Did any of the other minority groups subject to Jim Crow or lynching? Your first sentence about the Jewish and Italian mafia seem to support my point. As far as the violence of black people in Africa, you're going to have to be more specific.

But now I'm asking myself why I'm wasting my time trying to debate with ignorant racists.

 

[LincolnDuncan]

Isn't that the truth.

Kind of like some idiot's contention that 1/6 was tourists visiting the nation's capital and that there was a whole lotta love that day. It was a regular hippie love-in.

 

[phrodeau]

It's kind of hard to take a media outlet seriously when they claim it's mostly peaceful protest as a building is burning in the background.

Pics or it never happened.

 

[JohnEngelman]

They used Floyd to then explore larger societal barriers to success for certain segments of society. For example, one article explored his prowess as an athlete as his hope to escape poverty. But he was at a terrible school. And his grades were poor, ultimately preventing him from being allowed to play due to failing state tests. He was given a chance at some small college, but didn’t get the support he needed for academic success. However, it seemed from the article that Floyd didn’t try all that hard, so there’s his own motivation and discipline working against him. Similar issue explored in Michael Lewis’s The Blind Side, but that kid got tremendous amounts of support and made it to the pros.


Doesn’t mean he should be choked out by a bad cop.

Whose fault was it that his grades were poor? I suspect that his mental aptitude test scores were low too. I doubt seriously that his athletic talent was of the level that would have won for him a professional career in athletics. No one denied him achievements he deserved.

I began this thread discussing the way the mainstream media lost credibility among whites with extensive experience with blacks. If a black criminals, like George Floyd, is killed at the scene of his most recent crime any where in the United States this becomes national news. The black ghetto riots that frequently result are covered sympathetically by the mainstream media.

Whites are killed by black criminals all the time. When this happens it is frequently ignored by the local media. If they report on it at all, the race of the criminal is rarely mentioned.

 

[JohnEngelman]

the American system is not a promise of success in life it is an opportunity to be successful with better odds than anywhere else in the world. To the extent that it might be failing isn't a product of the free market foundation of the American system but of its erosion into a command order system propelled over many decades by the good intentions of well-meaning but ignorant people, some not so ignorant. It began with condemnations of the "profit motive" and laments of "the needs of the many" by Marxist-oriented thinkers who thought they had a better idea than the prospects for freedom advanced and codified in the Constitution. All of which has evolved into the state-owned and surreptitiously operated system we have today and by disguise still refers to itself as a free market system.

Our system at its core is about opportunity, hard work, and merit. it's about being and maintaining oneself as a valuable economic asset to somebody else while in turn demanding the same of others who seek commerce with you. In this system, a man who cannot read still has value if he wants to succeed and earn but when the government diminishes the nobility and value of work in the free market with demands that he be paid a minimum wage of say $25 an hour, it condemns him to a life of poverty and dependence he might otherwise have been able to overcome with several smaller jobs and a driving work ethic. These laws were once condemned by Milton Friedman as the most racist ever introduced in America.

I have heard that argument all my life from Republicans. Try to compose something original.

 

[phrodeau]

Your credibility tanks further every time you mention George Floyd.

 

[JohnEngelman]

I noticed that there is no mention of the Italian mafia or any of the other European immigrant gangs. The difference is that they were able to assimilate. As much as some African Americans throughout American history have attempted to join the dominant culture, they were rejected. As a result, they have developed a subculture. It's nice that you read books, but I've probably forgotten more about racial and ethnic minorities and immigration than you think that you know. We can also talk about the significant difference between Asian immigrants and the culture they came from as opposed to Africans being kidnapped, abused, broken and enslaved.

Slavery was rife in sub Saharan Africa. Negro slaves were often the victims of cannibalism and human sacrifice. I have read that Negro slaves in the United States tended to grow taller than free Negroes in Africa, and to live longer. That indicates better health.

Currently American Negroes are better off economically than Negroes in any black run country in the world. This is because they benefit from living in a civilization incomparably better than anything they have ever created anywhere in the world at any time in history.

It cannot be said that we benefit from their presence. Without them our crime rate would be much lower. The costs of our criminal justice and welfare systems would be much lower. The downtown areas of our cities would not be asphalt jungles of crime and moral depravity. They would be centers of civilization.

If white racism was responsible for black social pathology, black rates of crime and illegitimacy would have declined since the civil rights legislation was passed into law and the War on Poverty was declared. Instead, both have risen. The better we treat those people, the worse they behave. This is what conservatives predicted when the civil rights legislation and the War on Poverty were debated.

 

[JohnEngelman]

Your credibility tanks further every time you mention George Floyd.

How does it tank? What have I said about George Floyd that is not true?

 

[JohnEngelman]

Less than 10% of the people at the protests participated in violence

That was enough to cause at least two billion dollars in damage.