Why do people lie?

https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/21/politics/george-santos-geneaology/index.html

Especially about something so easily proven. Of course, this example is another Republican...but I do not think lying is a party thing.

So...why has lying become acceptable in our society? Where have we failed? Is this a family issue? Or lack of community? Or lack or morals? Or lack of religion? Why has lying become so normalized in our country?
An unanswerable question. Why? Simple: if you ask those who lie, "Why do you lie?"

What you're going to receive is a lie about why they lie.

If on the other hand you ask those who don't lie, "Why do those people over there insist on lying?"

What you will get is either a WAG (wild ass guess) or an 'I don't know' in return.

The best course of action is to find and remember those who do.

And like all things human it's not a black/white wrong/right type of thing, but a sliding scale. Everyone lies to some extent. The key is what do they lie about? If it's exclusively little inconsequential ( inconsequential in the sense that it was done to spare someone's feeling but does not strive to change the outcome of something major) things then it can be ignored. If however it is huge lies undertaken to hurt others or gain an edge on someone else for the purpose of gathering something of value to the liar at the lied to's expense, take note and remember who that was for you may be the next target.

Comshaw
 
Because these days telling the truth about anything will get half the country to hate you and harass you.
Its also more popular to lie, it gets cheap likes and attention from all the like minded jackals.
You can also craft a lie to be endearing or evoke whatever other emotive response you want to create. Truth, on the other hand, is often bland and mundane.

It's interesting to see the usual suspects all jump on this bandwagon as if they believe that no one condemns this guy for the fakery. But then their usual schtick is to paint everyone with the same broad brush so it's not surprising to see them employ it once more and smear some more of their bullshit all over the place again.
 
There's a defamation case going to court that involves a major mainstream news outlet. While deciding if the matter should go to court the judge asked the lawyer for the media outlet about what was said, the lawyer's defense is "well, she's not reporting news its opinion and commentary"

So a news outlet is admitting they're not an actual news outlet.

It gets better, the person's statement was "they literally did this" the Judge said that means they overstepped opinion and said it was fact. Lawyer "they didn't mean literally when they said literally" Judge "is there another definition of literally?" This would be fun if heard in the voices of Cruise and Nicholson ala Few Good Men, but in reality, this is where we are. News media stating they are no longer reporting news to avoid defamation and libel suits.

If you're old enough to remember all the tabloids that would be at the rack at the checkout counter like National Inquirer with all the ludicrous stories like Bat Boy and pictures of 'aliens' with the presidents, that is now what we watch and consider news. The mainstream media is going to soon to be forced to do what wrestling did and say its not a sport, its entertainment.

When that happens...the same people will still watch people like Maddow and Carlson and think everything they says is fact.
There were several court cases where the network stars had to admit their show wasn't "news" and was in fact entertainment, a program that broadcast an opinion, not factual news. People seemed inclined and in fact insist on confusing one with the other. Why? Simple, conformation bias. They want to hear what they believe is true, rather than what is true. So it is easier on their personal bias to listen to someone saying what they agree with, rather than what is true, a high profile talking head's OPINION rather than factual news that might conflict with what they want things to be.

So how do we as fallible humans avoid that trap? If I hear something that conflicts with something I want to believe, I go look to see what else was said about it and what kind of truthful backup it has. The main thing though is when it is proven, when there is no doubt that what ever has been reported is, I have to step back, cuss a bit (because even though it is I still don't want it to be) and admit that what is, is. To many don't have the capacity or don't want to take that step, which is a bad thing for everyone, including themselves.

There once was an unwritten standard differentiating news, opinion and tabloid entertainment. In the competition for viewership by the broadcasters, in the race for the almighty $, the lines between those have all but disappeared. Until we get back to such, by agreement or law the P.T. Barnum gaslighting of the people will go on, for no other reason than to make a few bucks.

And before someone pops up with the accusation I'm trying to smear the Republicans, this is a problem experienced by both sides of the political spectrum. I've walked the planet for 14 Lustrums plus 2 years and have seen it vacillate from one political extreme, from one party to the other. NO ONE, NO PARTY has been immune to it. Time to demand those who should be telling us the truth to do so.

Comshaw
 
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There were several court cases where the network stars had to admit their show was a "news" and was in fact entertainment, a program that broadcast an opinion, not factual news. People seemed inclined and in fact insist on confusing one with the other. Why? Simple, conformation bias. They want to hear what they believe is true, rather than what is true. So it is easier on their personal bias to listen to someone saying what they agree with, rather than what is true, a high profile talking head's OPINION rather than factual news that might conflict with what they want things to be.

So how do we as fallible humans avoid that trap? If I hear something that conflicts with something I want to believe, I go look to see what else was said about it and what kind of truthful backup it has. The main thing though is when it is proven, when there is no doubt that what ever has been reported is, I have to step back, cuss a bit (because even though it is I still don't want it to be) and admit that what is, is. To many don't have the capacity or don't want to take that step, which is a bad thing for everyone, including themselves.

There once was an unwritten standard differentiating news, opinion and tabloid entertainment. In the competition for viewership by the broadcasters, in the race for the almighty $, the lines between those have all but disappeared. Until we get back to such, by agreement or law the P.T. Barnum gaslighting of the people will go on, for no other reason than to make a few bucks.

And before someone pops up with the accusation I'm trying to smear the Republicans, this is a problem experienced by both sides of the political spectrum. I've walked the planet for 14 Lustrums plus 2 years and have seen it vacillate from one political extreme, from one party to the other. NO ONE, NO PARTY has been immune to it. Time to demand those who should be telling us the truth to do so.

Comshaw
What you leave out of your diatribe is the most prevalent malignancy
** LYING BY OMISSION**
 
What you leave out of your diatribe is the most prevalent malignancy
** LYING BY OMISSION**
So the omission of the stolen election? The coup/insurrection that wasn’t? The donated salary?

The classified cases of records in a private home of non government person?

Those omissions?

Try starting there.
 
Why do people lie?

The simple answer is, 'Because they can'

The sheer bulk of humanity is constantly trying to get ahead by screwing someone else over, in any way they can. The simple act of 'getting away with it' seems to be the most instant reward.
 
So the omission of the stolen election? The coup/insurrection that wasn’t? The donated salary?

The classified cases of records in a private home of non government person?

Those omissions?

Try starting there.
Suppression of the Hunter Biden laptop story was polled and indicate based on the poll results would have impacted the election results and not in Biden’s favor.

Lack of coverage for the last 1 1/2 ** no border coverage, nothing to see here because Biden is CiC.

Every news outlet carried the Mar-a-Lago raid.

Every network worth a shit carried the Pelosi kangaroo witch hunt.
 
the "Pelosi kangaroo witch hunt." Can we mark you up in following Trump's lead in setting up an insanity defense for all of this? :giggle:
 
Suppression of the Hunter Biden laptop story was polled and indicate based on the poll results would have impacted the election results and not in Biden’s favor.

Lack of coverage for the last 1 1/2 ** no border coverage, nothing to see here because Biden is CiC.

Every news outlet carried the Mar-a-Lago raid.

Every network worth a shit carried the Pelosi kangaroo witch hunt.
Tucker Carlson Tonight is the single highest rated cable news program in America. I’m pretty sure that he covered the southern border and Hunter Biden’s laptop once or twice.
 
Tucker Carlson Tonight is the single highest rated cable news program in America. I’m pretty sure that he covered the southern border and Hunter Biden’s laptop once or twice.

So weird that I never watch Cuck Tarlson or any right wing outlet yet I have seen plenty of coverage of the southern border problems.

Was it ^ histrionic hyperbolic 24/7 coverage like ineedhelp1 and the other right wing MAGAts demand???

No.

👉 ineedhelp1 🤣

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So weird that I never watch Cuck Tarlson or any right wing outlet yet I have seen plenty of coverage of the southern border problems.

Was it ^ histrionic hyperbolic 24/7 coverage like ineedhelp1 and the other right wing MAGAts demand???

No.

👉 ineedhelp1 🤣

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Yet after your watching the "non Fox News" coverage of the border; do you deny that there's an issue there?
 
Dumb Harpy is dumb.

There has ALWAYS been problems at the southern border.

The orange traitor sabotaged a bipartisan deal that was on the table for immigration reform.

That ^ deal would have gone a long way towards mitigating many problems at the southern border, as well as providing some clarity on eligible DACA recipients.

👉 Harpy 🤣

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Dumb Harpy is dumb.

There has ALWAYS been problems at the southern border.

The orange traitor sabotaged a bipartisan deal that was on the table for immigration reform.

That ^ deal would have gone a long way towards mitigating many problems at the southern border, as well as providing some clarity on eligible DACA recipients.

👉 Harpy 🤣

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"Always"?

Does that mean that the Brandon, excuse me, Biden Adminstration was LYING when they insisted that the southern border was secure?

Hmmm????
 
Now Harpy has lost ALL ability to read and comprehend.

👉 Harpy 🤣

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OOooooooOOOOO, lookie... The panicked Ad Hom deflection away from what you said attempt. NOT a good choice when everyone can see what you posted and that you cucked yourself again. But that's ok because while we all know you're a moron, you proving it one more time isn't really a surprise.
 
Anyone looking at my comment and interpreting it they way Harpy did is an idiot.

👉 Harpy 🤣

And to Harpy’s goalpost move: The border is “secure” in that it is still recognized, it is NOT “open”, the law is being enforced, people are being expelled, money is being appropriated for safety and security resources,, etc, etc, etc.

That ^ is just like it ALWAYS has been.

👉 Harpy 🤣

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Anyone looking at my comment and interpreting it they way Harpy did is an idiot.

👉 Harpy 🤣

And to Harpy’s goalpost move: The border is “secure” in that it is still recognized, it is NOT “open”, the law is being enforced, people are being expelled, money is being appropriated for safety and security resources,, etc, etc, etc.

That ^ is just like it ALWAYS has been.

👉 Harpy 🤣

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I've totally pwned you. What's great is that you, unlike Comshaw, refuse to concede the field and keep coming back for more.
 
Is being totally pwned painful?

In Harpy’s bizarro mind, I’m guessing “pwned” means: Harpy losing arguments, making stupid comments, and Harpy’s self inflicted public humiliation, that everyone but Harpy recognizes.

Kinda like Harpy’s “water is carbon based” interpretation of reality.

👉 Harpy 🤣

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Suppression of the Hunter Biden laptop story was polled and indicate based on the poll results would have impacted the election results and not in Biden’s favor.

Lack of coverage for the last 1 1/2 ** no border coverage, nothing to see here because Biden is CiC.

Every news outlet carried the Mar-a-Lago raid.

Every network worth a shit carried the Pelosi kangaroo witch hunt.
And the laptop story has actual evidence? And not just rumor and conspiracy?

There are parts of the border that don’t need to be covered, since the physical border is already difficult to pass. DJT tried putting some up in those spots, and they fell down. But sure, keep wasting money in spots that are difficult.

The mar-a-lago raid was news. Like Capone, it’s not all other things done by him- in this case it’s lying about classified documents that are sufficient.

And the Jan 6 committee is far from a witch hunt, lots of information gained. And noticed all of the words were from republicans in the hearings. Pretty damning. Insurrection charges upheld for individuals in some court cases but the Jan 6 committee is there to find out all they can- and they couldn’t since some witnesses have decided to invoke their 5th amendment rights or just not testify at all.
 
An unanswerable question. Why? Simple: if you ask those who lie, "Why do you lie?"

What you're going to receive is a lie about why they lie.

If on the other hand you ask those who don't lie, "Why do those people over there insist on lying?"

What you will get is either a WAG (wild ass guess) or an 'I don't know' in return.

The best course of action is to find and remember those who do.

And like all things human it's not a black/white wrong/right type of thing, but a sliding scale. Everyone lies to some extent. The key is what do they lie about? If it's exclusively little inconsequential ( inconsequential in the sense that it was done to spare someone's feeling but does not strive to change the outcome of something major) things then it can be ignored. If however it is huge lies undertaken to hurt others or gain an edge on someone else for the purpose of gathering something of value to the liar at the lied to's expense, take note and remember who that was for you may be the next target.

Comshaw
I appreciate someone finally attempting to answer the question.

I am a recovering addict. I will have been clean 36 years in one week. I have learned addiction is a spiritual disease. It says in our reading of how it works...there is one thing more than anything that will defeat us on our recovery. This is an attitude or indifference towards spiritual principles. Three of these (spiritual principles) are honesty, open-mindedness and willingness. With these are well on our way.

I know this to be fact. If I start deviating from the path of honesty...all spiritual principles in me start slipping. It is the "H" in "how". It is the First Step.

I harp on morality a lot, because I see this as the most dangerous thing our country is facing. We have lost our morality. People can't even be honest...because there are no consequences against it.

Look at Santos...today...he admitted he fabricated his resume. Yet he sees no issue to lying. Oops...I got caught. But that doesn't stop him from being able to represent a district in the US Congress. Why don't Republicans hold their members accountable? Fuck...we kicked out AL Frankin. Don't we deserve better? At least a fucking effort not to lie? Or...is our country truly doomed?
 
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