Why did the Mods of the site add in the "no politics, no religion" rule?

[KeithD]

More likely someone (a whole range of possibilities) from the plane manufacturer.

 

[tenyari]

I don't know this for sure, but I doubt it. A fictional Literotica story is not a "threat" in any meaningful sense under American law.

Normally I would agree. But I'm pretty sure I read an article not long back about that exact scenario, either with that particular president or the one after him - I forget. Some kid writing a story, and then getting a visit where he had to define the word 'fiction' to somebody. Didn't verify the article though so who knows these days. A lot of articles get written these days just to get people riled up.

 

[gunhilltrain]

Recruitment, I'd say.

I was thinking the same thing. The American military does a considerable amount to promote and publicize itself, although it has been more so since it became an all-volunteer force in the 1970s.

I like this scene in Jarhead, apparently a true story, of how Marines preparing for the First Gulf War psyche themselves up by watching Apocalypse Now. When I saw that attack scene in 1980, I thought, "This is supposed to be an anti-war movie, but this whole scene would make a wonderful recruitment ad."

 

[gunhilltrain]

More likely someone (a whole range of possibilities) from the plane manufacturer.

If that was true, then it would have been Boeing, which built the B-52s shown in the movie. They were still building them as late as 1962.

 

[ElectricBlue]

Apocalypse Now. When I saw that attack scene in 1980, I thought, "This is supposed to be an anti-war movie, but this whole scene would make a wonderful recruitment ad."

That was the first time I heard the second take of The Doors song, The End.

The band only made two recordings in the studio - the album version uses the first half of the first recording and the second half of the second. The movie version, vice versa. The main difference between the two is in the "Killer awoke before dawn" narrative section, where Morrison quite clearly says, "Father, I want to kill you. Mother, I want to... fuck you," followed by a typical Morrison scream. That's clear in the Apocalypse Now version.

The album version is less explicit - the words "fuck you" get lost in the mix.

 

[gunhilltrain]

That was the first time I heard the second take of The Doors song, The End.

The band only made two recordings in the studio - the album version uses the first half of the first recording and the second half of the second. The movie version, vice versa. The main difference between the two is in the "Killer awoke before dawn" narrative section, where Morrison quite clearly says, "Father, I want to kill you. Mother, I want to... fuck you," followed by a typical Morrison scream. That's clear in the Apocalypse Now version.

The album version is less explicit - the words "fuck you" get lost in the mix.

Not surprised that Morrison got so deeply into the Oepial Complex. He'd be about 78 right now, but Mick Jagger must be around there too if not older. I'm not going to look him up, however.

Doesn't the song show up in a couple of places in the movie? Where is the "killer awoke before dawn" narration?

 

[KeithD]

If that was true, then it would have been Boeing, which built the B-52s shown in the movie. They were still building them as late as 1962.

I think those in the public manufacturing sector are more prone than anyone in the services to do such leaking without a thought to what it reveals.

Having said that, I did a few years as a satellite photographic interpreter and was always amused that, while communist countries put camouflage nets over their military facility buildings to try to hide everything, U.S. military installations spelled out in white-painted rocks on building roofs who they were and what the building was for.

 

[oggbashan]

I think those in the public manufacturing sector are more prone than anyone in the services to do such leaking without a thought to what it reveals.

Having said that, I did a few years as a satellite photographic interpreter and was always amused that, while communist countries put camouflage nets over their military facility buildings to try to hide everything, U.S. military installations spelled out in white-painted rocks on building roofs who they were and what the building was for.

And the UK since WW1 has painted signs where facilities weren't, created fake runways, rubber tanks and trucks, fake tyre marks and has had the Germans bombing fake installations. The PLUTO (Pipeline under the Ocean) supplying fuel to Normandy was made to look like an Ice cream parlour on the Isle of Wight.

The Germans weren't so good at it. They created a fake V1 launching site. The RAF bombed it with wooden bombs with slogans such as 'Better Luck next time'.

 

[gunhilltrain]

And the UK since WW1 has painted signs where facilities weren't, created fake runways, rubber tanks and trucks, fake tyre marks and has had the Germans bombing fake installations. The PLUTO (Pipeline under the Ocean) supplying fuel to Normandy was made to look like an Ice cream parlour on the Isle of Wight.

The Germans weren't so good at it. They created a fake V1 launching site. The RAF bombed it with wooden bombs with slogans such as 'Better Luck next time'.

I suppose the wooden bombs were part of the joke and they used some real ones too? Also, did they bother to write "Better Luck Next Time" in German or was that not worth the effort?

 

[ElectricBlue]

Not surprised that Morrison got so deeply into the Oepial Complex. He'd be about 78 right now, but Mick Jagger must be around there too if not older. I'm not going to look him up, however.

Doesn't the song show up in a couple of places in the movie? Where is the "killer awoke before dawn" narration?

I've got both edits on the 50th anniversary release of The Doors, so that's where I've heard the differences in full.

Since the narrative section would be discordant to the themes of the movie, i think it faded out before that sequence begins - my recall is The End plays over the opening sequences, where Captain Willard is drunk in his room, culminating in the napalm strike where the jungle erupts in flames.

They were both born in 1943, Jagger in July, Morrison in December.

 

[Bramblethorn]

I suppose the wooden bombs were part of the joke and they used some real ones too? Also, did they bother to write "Better Luck Next Time" in German or was that not worth the effort?

The wooden bombs thing is a popular war story, but as far as I know it's just a story. I don't think even the most hotheaded of RAF commanders would have been willing to burn fuel and risk planes and pilots to drop any kind of bombs on a target known to be fake - unless they wanted to give the impression they believed the fake, in which case the bombs wouldn't be wooden.

Allied misinformation did achieve some huge triumphs in WWII though. Operation Mincemeat might be the biggest, recently got a film adaptation (which embellishes considerably). It's not entirely clear whether it actually fooled Colonel von Rönne, the Abwehr officer who handled the case, or if he realised it was a ruse and knowingly sabotaged Germany by pretending it wasn't.

He was a secret anti-Nazi (and later hanged for it) so the latter is very possible. But even if Mincemeat didn't fool him, it allowed him to fool his bosses.

 

[GrushaVashnadze]

I have recently fallen foul of this rule, and have had a two-episode story rejected because, apparently: "In response to overwhelming feedback from readers, we have decided at this time not to publish works that promote or focus heavily on politics or religion, or political or religious figures or scriptures. Lit readers are bombarded with political disputes on other platforms and they prefer to avoid these types of divisive issues in their erotica."

Since this story will never appear on Literotica, I don't feel bad about pointing to where it sits on my personal blog: Scarlet Scripture - in case anyone wants to have a look.

Odd, as other stories of mine here, notably The Cursed Cunt, have a great deal of religion in them...

 

[gunhilltrain]

Hmm, I guess I'll go delete the document in my Ideas folder where I sketched out the idea where the main character accidentally finds himself at a rally where people mistakenly get the idea that he's a son or grandson of X politician and the ladies throw themselves at him. Loosely based on that New Girl episode where Schmidt convinces people he's a Romn... Never mind.

You don't have to delete the idea. Just make sure that it can't be connected to any real-life politician. I don't guarantee anything, but I'd guess that would work.

 

[oggbashan]

I suppose the wooden bombs were part of the joke and they used some real ones too? Also, did they bother to write "Better Luck Next Time" in German or was that not worth the effort?

They didn't bother with real bombs but the wooden ones had messages on them in English and German.

 

[oggbashan]

They didn't bother with real bombs but the wooden ones had messages on them in English and German.

https://leadstories.com/hoax-alert/...on-german-decoy-airfields-is-likely-true.html

The wooden bombs thing is a popular war story, but as far as I know it's just a story. I don't think even the most hotheaded of RAF commanders would have been willing to burn fuel and risk planes and pilots to drop any kind of bombs on a target known to be fake - unless they wanted to give the impression they believed the fake, in which case the bombs wouldn't be wooden.

Allied misinformation did achieve some huge triumphs in WWII though. Operation Mincemeat might be the biggest, recently got a film adaptation (which embellishes considerably). It's not entirely clear whether it actually fooled Colonel von Rönne, the Abwehr officer who handled the case, or if he realised it was a ruse and knowingly sabotaged Germany by pretending it wasn't.

He was a secret anti-Nazi (and later hanged for it) so the latter is very possible. But even if Mincemeat didn't fool him, it allowed him to fool his bosses.

Operation Mincemeat wasn't the largest. The largest one was the fake army group based in East Anglia and commanded by General Patton. The Germans believed in that fake army group, apparently heading for Calais, because they thought Patton was too important to be left out of the 'real' invasion.

Before El Alamein in North Africa, many fake tanks were positioned to deceive the enemy who thought that Montgomery would attack from the South instead of the frontal assault he actually did.

There were specialist US and UK deception units from 1942 onwards who built fake bases, fake airfields, fake tanks etc.

 

[MrPixel]

Decoy armaments remain a legit battlefield strategy. The news just this week is that Ukraine is using wooden decoys of anti-aircraft batteries to fool Russian drones into spotting for missile launches. Apparently very effectively, too.

 

[Rustyoznail]

I watched this the other night. https://www.pbs.org/show/ghost-army/

It's about a US Army unit specifically created to undertake all forms of deception during WW2. Fascinating. I think someone in the Ukraine army must have watched it.