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From the Magazine | Science
Why Are These Frogs Croaking?


http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1149382,00.html


Massive die-offs in the American tropics are an early warning of the effects of global warming


By JEFFREY KLUGER

Posted Sunday, Jan. 15, 2006
Hardy and plentiful as they seem, frogs are actually very frail things, with a semipermeable skin that leaves them vulnerable to even the slightest hiccup in their environment. So when entire species of brightly colored harlequin frogs started dying off in the cloud forests of Central and South America about 25 years ago, scientists suspected that something in the amphibians' ecosystems--they weren't sure what--had gone awry.

Now an international team of scientists think they've solved the mystery. Comparing changes in annual temperatures with the number of frog species spotted, they've documented for the first time a direct correlation between global warming and the extinction of about two-thirds of the 110 known species of harlequin frog.

The critters in question are favorites of scientists studying climate change. Quick and polychromatic, the frogs spend their days near stream banks, where their constant motion and vibrant hues make it easy for researchers to count them. Previous studies have shown that it's not heat alone that kills harlequins but also a pathogen--the chytrid fungus--that attacks their skin. The chytrid is actually a cool-weather organism, doing best at temperatures from 63°F to 77°F. Paradoxically, an effect of global warming is to increase cloud cover in the tropical forests, lowering daytime temperatures and making the frogs more vulnerable to fungal assault.

The most persuasive piece of evidence in the new study, led by J. Alan Pounds of the Monteverde Cloud Forest Preserve in Costa Rica and published in Nature, is a graph that shows both annual changes in average temperature and the number of frog extinctions per year on the same grid: the jagged lines track each other with eerie precision. Species die-offs follow warm years 80% of the time. With tropical air temperatures from 1975 to 2000 rising three times as fast as the 20th century average, things should only get worse.

Frogs are what scientists call an indicator species: particularly sensitive animals that are the first to go when the climate starts to change. Their extinction may increase pressure on government and industry to dial back greenhouse gases. The harlequins, after all, are only the beginning.

With reporting by With reporting by Cristina Scalet/New York

From the Jan. 23, 2006 issue of TIME magazine


Clever title with very scary implications. (To those, of course, who believe that global warming is a danger.)
 
Yeah, well Bush says there's no such thing as Global warming, so I don't know what you're worried about :rolleyes:
(I wish there was a smiley of a pile of turds, which would express my feelings with a little more precision)
 
sweetsubsarahh said:
From the Magazine | Science
Why Are These Frogs Croaking?


http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1149382,00.html


Massive die-offs in the American tropics are an early warning of the effects of global warming


By JEFFREY KLUGER

Posted Sunday, Jan. 15, 2006
Hardy and plentiful as they seem, frogs are actually very frail things, with a semipermeable skin that leaves them vulnerable to even the slightest hiccup in their environment. So when entire species of brightly colored harlequin frogs started dying off in the cloud forests of Central and South America about 25 years ago, scientists suspected that something in the amphibians' ecosystems--they weren't sure what--had gone awry.

Now an international team of scientists think they've solved the mystery. Comparing changes in annual temperatures with the number of frog species spotted, they've documented for the first time a direct correlation between global warming and the extinction of about two-thirds of the 110 known species of harlequin frog.

The critters in question are favorites of scientists studying climate change. Quick and polychromatic, the frogs spend their days near stream banks, where their constant motion and vibrant hues make it easy for researchers to count them. Previous studies have shown that it's not heat alone that kills harlequins but also a pathogen--the chytrid fungus--that attacks their skin. The chytrid is actually a cool-weather organism, doing best at temperatures from 63°F to 77°F. Paradoxically, an effect of global warming is to increase cloud cover in the tropical forests, lowering daytime temperatures and making the frogs more vulnerable to fungal assault.

The most persuasive piece of evidence in the new study, led by J. Alan Pounds of the Monteverde Cloud Forest Preserve in Costa Rica and published in Nature, is a graph that shows both annual changes in average temperature and the number of frog extinctions per year on the same grid: the jagged lines track each other with eerie precision. Species die-offs follow warm years 80% of the time. With tropical air temperatures from 1975 to 2000 rising three times as fast as the 20th century average, things should only get worse.

Frogs are what scientists call an indicator species: particularly sensitive animals that are the first to go when the climate starts to change. Their extinction may increase pressure on government and industry to dial back greenhouse gases. The harlequins, after all, are only the beginning.

With reporting by With reporting by Cristina Scalet/New York

From the Jan. 23, 2006 issue of TIME magazine


Clever title with very scary implications. (To those, of course, who believe that global warming is a danger.)
So, Global Warming causes the temperature in equatorial regions to cool? So where is it getting warmer? I mean it's not getting warmer at the equator so were is the heat that they measure that's going up? I know that it's an average of an average that they measure, but if it gets cooler in the tropics and warmer in the 'not' tropics isn't the average of the average the same? I mean, if it goes down 1 degree in Brazil and up 1 degree in the UK isn't the average world temperature still the same? Hasn't just where its warm shifted?

and another thing, the title had me seeing French dudes dying in the streets. I was disappointed.
 
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I'm seeing a pattern here with you and frogs...is there something you want to share with us?
 
Samandiriel said:
I'm seeing a pattern here with you and frogs...is there something you want to share with us?

BWAH!!!!

Nahh, the others were toads.

I think.

:cathappy:
 
sweetsubsarahh said:
BWAH!!!!

Nahh, the others were toads.

I think.

:cathappy:
There are just way too many bad jokes I can fit in here but I'll just say...

Aw, the poor little froggies. :rose:
 
I wouldn't worry too much about the frogs or global warming. Frogs have been through a bucket load off ice ages and heating - not to mention some pretty ugly extinction events. The have hung in for about 400 million years, so they are doing something right

Global warming??? Na, all in the statistics. Look at a temperature graph for the last half million years, aint even gotten warm yet. For most of this planets history polar caps have not existed - so in reality we are in the back end of an ice age.

Pilot of indianPilot
 
indianPilot said:
I wouldn't worry too much about the frogs or global warming. Frogs have been through a bucket load off ice ages and heating - not to mention some pretty ugly extinction events. The have hung in for about 400 million years, so they are doing something right

Global warming??? Na, all in the statistics. Look at a temperature graph for the last half million years, aint even gotten warm yet. For most of this planets history polar caps have not existed - so in reality we are in the back end of an ice age.

Pilot of indianPilot
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Thanks Indian Pilot and since this is the first I have seen of you, welcome to the forum...

You have to realize that, who was it, Sweetsubsarahh, is one of the 'usual suspects', the greenies, the environmental radicals who want all business and industry shut down and for earth's population to return to an aboriginal existence, sans computers, keyboards and electric vibrators.

You must realize that the subsocialist malcontents, armed with a little, 'politicized science', look for any way they can find to criticize the emergence of 'rational man' who tames and conquers the environment, rather than adapts to it.

They are a dying breed, but no one has convinced them of that as yet.

Along your line of thought, it is interesting to me, at least, that some varieties of frogs can survive a drought, by hibernating and other varieties can survive being frozen, for years, and when warmed, revive. A rather interesting species in many ways.

Thank you for reminding me.


amicus...
 
amicus said:
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Thanks Indian Pilot and since this is the first I have seen of you, welcome to the forum...

You have to realize that, who was it, Sweetsubsarahh, is one of the 'usual suspects', the greenies, the environmental radicals who want all business and industry shut down and for earth's population to return to an aboriginal existence, sans computers, keyboards and electric vibrators.

You must realize that the subsocialist malcontents, armed with a little, 'politicized science', look for any way they can find to criticize the emergence of 'rational man' who tames and conquers the environment, rather than adapts to it.

They are a dying breed, but no one has convinced them of that as yet.

Along your line of thought, it is interesting to me, at least, that some varieties of frogs can survive a drought, by hibernating and other varieties can survive being frozen, for years, and when warmed, revive. A rather interesting species in many ways.

Thank you for reminding me.


amicus...

I came to the computer, desperate for something to make me tired enough to go back to sleep.

Thank you. You never cease to make me tired.
Of you.

*yawn*

Night night.
 
matriarch said:
I came to the computer, desperate for something to make me tired enough to go back to sleep.

Thank you. You never cease to make me tired.
Of you.

*yawn*

Night night.


You are profoundly welcome, goodnight...
 
amicus said:
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Thanks Indian Pilot and since this is the first I have seen of you, welcome to the forum...

You have to realize that, who was it, Sweetsubsarahh, is one of the 'usual suspects', the greenies, the environmental radicals who want all business and industry shut down and for earth's population to return to an aboriginal existence, sans computers, keyboards and electric vibrators.

You must realize that the subsocialist malcontents, armed with a little, 'politicized science', look for any way they can find to criticize the emergence of 'rational man' who tames and conquers the environment, rather than adapts to it.

They are a dying breed, but no one has convinced them of that as yet.

Along your line of thought, it is interesting to me, at least, that some varieties of frogs can survive a drought, by hibernating and other varieties can survive being frozen, for years, and when warmed, revive. A rather interesting species in many ways.

Thank you for reminding me.


amicus...

Perhaps you have heard I would walk away, its true, I have before. But not this time, you continually prove that you have a small mind and a very small penis.

Sorry to step into your thread like this sarahh, but the homophobic moron insulted me rather than talk.

:rose: :rose: :rose:
 
Lisa Denton said:
Perhaps you have heard I would walk away, its true, I have before. But not this time, you continually prove that you have a small mind and a very small penis.

Sorry to step into your thread like this sarahh, but the homophobic moron insulted me rather than talk.

:rose: :rose: :rose:


Well, dear Lisa Denton, not that it matters, but I have rather a large penis and rather a large and facile mind, and your ability to conduct a discussion without the subjective personal approach, seems to be non existent.

the always amicable amicus...
 
amicus said:
Well, dear Lisa Denton, not that it matters, but I have rather a large penis and rather a large and facile mind, and your ability to conduct a discussion without the subjective personal approach, seems to be non existent.

the always amicable amicus...


Personal approach?

Your penis is a legend in your own mind.

You took your childish homophobic crap to me, you insulted me. I thought it was almost funny that you got THAT upset, although I was surprised, I had given you more credit than that. No more.

Have a freakin rose :rose:
 
"Homophobic moron" is not personal? oh well.

Not sure quite what I said that set you off, but measure me from your elbow to your wrist and discover you cannot close your thumb and forefinger around me and then apologize for your coatsleeve sized vaginal opening and then perhaps we can talk.

amicus sighs and turns to the next contestant...
 
amicus said:
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Thanks Indian Pilot and since this is the first I have seen of you, welcome to the forum...

You have to realize that, who was it, Sweetsubsarahh, is one of the 'usual suspects', the greenies, the environmental radicals who want all business and industry shut down and for earth's population to return to an aboriginal existence, sans computers, keyboards and electric vibrators.

You must realize that the subsocialist malcontents, armed with a little, 'politicized science', look for any way they can find to criticize the emergence of 'rational man' who tames and conquers the environment, rather than adapts to it.

They are a dying breed, but no one has convinced them of that as yet.

Along your line of thought, it is interesting to me, at least, that some varieties of frogs can survive a drought, by hibernating and other varieties can survive being frozen, for years, and when warmed, revive. A rather interesting species in many ways.

Thank you for reminding me.


amicus...


The envornment is warming Amicus. you don't need to be green or anti-buissiness to recognize that fact.

I haven't seen any solid scientific evidence that the change is caused by man and isn't part of the normal cyclical warrming and cooling of the earth that has been going on since time in memorium. the science in this article dosen't prove that, although it's the inference they make and want the reader to make.

Extinctions occur all the time and once about every 26million years there is a mass extinction. theories abound, but the one that has garnered more weight recently is that something disturbs the kupier belt about once every 26 million years, sending a rain of asteroids and other debris plumiting towards the sun.

The planet is warming. Reputable scientists don't dispute that. But reputable scientists do caution that we don't understand the dynamics of weather and climate well enough to conclude man and industiralization are the primemover. Cows produce more methane than SUVs. What most suggest is that the addition of CO2 to the atmosphere by burning hydrocarbon fuels might be having an effect.

Radicals make the claim polution is a proven cause of global warming, without scientific proof. Reactionaries claim there is no global warming, contrary to the data. Reputable scientists admit the data is correct, but stop at making claims of why. the majority, simply admit man's actions may be the cause and suggest it is only prudent to try and limit the amount of CO2 we are adding to the atmosphere until we know.

This dosen't have to be an either or proposition. The rational position then, is to admit the data supports the hypothesis thatt he planet is warming. In the abscence of any definitive proof this isn't just a part of the normal cyclical cahnge in climate, the prudent position is to limit man's impact on the enviornment until we know.

It is the limits that would be imposed and how to do it that is really the bone of contention.
 
Thank you, Colly.

Although I'm not too certain what effect a calm, gentle voice of reason will have on amicus.


Boy, Lisa pushed a few of your buttons, didn't she, you old goat?

I've never heard you refer to your own anatomical size. :rolleyes:

Maybe you should go back to making fun of women's issues.
 
amicus said:
"Homophobic moron" is not personal? oh well.

Not sure quite what I said that set you off, but measure me from your elbow to your wrist and discover you cannot close your thumb and forefinger around me and then apologize for your coatsleeve sized vaginal opening and then perhaps we can talk.

amicus sighs and turns to the next contestant...


hahahahahahahahahahahhahhahahahahahahahahahaha
 
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