Why am I surprised by her reaction?

SeaCat

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Okay I think this woman needs a bit of a wake up call. What did she expect the cop to do? (Read her comment towards the end of the article.)

Then again why should I be surprised? I see her attitude way too often down here.

Delray officer shoots pit bull outside Starbucks
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By Kevin Deutsch

Palm Beach Post Staff Writer

Friday, November 23, 2007

DELRAY BEACH — A Delray Beach police officer pepper sprayed, Tasered, then shot one of two pit bulls outside of a crowded Starbucks Coffee shop Thanksgiving morning after the dog attacked a man and his golden retriever, police said.

Officer R.C. Bowers said he was forced to fire one shot into the pit bulls's neck after his other weapons failed to stop the dog from attacking customer Brian Ganey, 32, and his Golden Retriever, Muskie, who were both injured, police said. The 5-year-old pit bull, named Cinnamon, was later euthanized, according to the dog's owner.

Bowers was flagged down shortly after 8:30 a.m. by about six people who ran into traffic and pointed to the Starbucks at 502 E. Atlantic Ave, where the officer saw Cinnamon, a large brown pit bull, lunging at Ganey and locking its teeth onto Muskie, who was leashed. Tables, chairs, flower pots and plants toppled over in the patio area outside the coffee shop as the dog attacked, police said.

A second, black and white pit bull, Scooby, was also barking at Ganey, his wife, and other customers and pedestrians, who were kicking and punching Cinnamon in an attempt to free Muskie from her hold, police said. A third dog, which had been wandering through the street with the pit bulls, was also nearby, Ganey said.

Bowers used pepper spray on Cinnamon, but it had no result, as the dog continued to bite Muskie's left leg, police said. Bowers then took out his Taser and used it on the pit bull, twice, freeing Muskie from its hold, police said. The officer directed everyone into the store, but Cinnamon continued to growl and lunge toward Ganey, who was lying on the ground next to Muskie, police said.

Fearing for the safety and the customers, onlookers, and himself, Bowers told everyone to stand back, then fired one shot into Cinnamon's neck, police said.

Ganey was taken to Delray Medical Center with various injuries, including 25 to 30 puncture wounds in his hand and arm. Muskie, who's leg was seriously wounded in the melee, was treated and released from an animal emergency center in Boynton Beach.

Ganey said that if the officer had not shot the pit bull, "My dog, or me, would have been either severely crippled or dead." "This dog was absolutely possessed," said Ganey. "It just would not let go." Ganey, who moved from Seattle to Delray Beach in September, made his usual trip to Starbucks with his wife Renee, 33, and nine-year-old Muskie Thursday morning. He was sitting outside, about two sips into his pumpkin spice latte, when he spotted three dogs walking down Federal Highway, near the shop. They were blocking traffic, so someone ushered them onto the sidewalk in front of Starbucks. That's when Cinnamon lunged at Muskie, sinking her teeth into his leg and swinging her head back and forth as she bit down, Ganey said. When Ganey got on the ground and tried to wrestle Cinnamon off of Muskie, the pit bull latched onto his hand, "trying to rip it apart," he said. "My dog was helpless, looking at me, wincing," said Ganey. "He's my best friend. I was trying to save his life." Ganey hit and wrestled the pit bull, knocking over tables and flower pots. Bowers hurried over and pepper sprayed Cinnamon, also cau sing spray to get into Ganey's eyes. When Bowers used his Taser on the pit bull, Ganey felt the electricity pass through the dog and into his own body, he said.

The dog finally released its grip. She looked like she was about to attack them again when Bowers opened fire, Ganey said.

Cinnamon's owner, Kavis Jones, 38, said Friday that her pit bull was loving, enjoyed the company of children and other animals, and had never behaved violently before. The dog had lived with her two young sons and two other dogs in Delray Beach. "For them to just shoot my dog is horrible and cruel," Jones said, sobbing. "I love my pets like they're my children."

"Maybe if there was another aggressive dog there that growled at her, I could see her reacting, but I've never seen that kind of behavior," Jones said. She said of her dogs, though, that "If I tell them to attack, they would attack." One week ago, Jones left Cinnamon with a neighbor, Tony Seurdy, 49, and traveled to see family in Georgia for Thanksgiving. Seurdy had watched Cinnamon several times before, keeping him in a large kennel in his backyard, along with his own bit bull, Scooby.

Seurdy said he thinks someone cut the lock on the kennel and stole Cinnamon and Scooby. He had been keeping the dogs together, hoping to breed them, but when he went to clean their cage Thursday morning, the lock - and the dogs - were gone. He drove around looking for them before learning Cinnamon had been shot.

He said it would have been possible for the dogs to leave the yard if they somehow got out of the kennel.

"It's really bizarre," said Seurdy, who had his own pit bull back Friday. "I feel bad about the whole thing. I'm very confused about how it happened."


Cat
 
Me either, pitbulls tend to be the orneriest of animals on good days. Not that she would admit it, owners of pitbulls always maintain they are the sweetest of things, and they always say the dog would attack if I told it so. Which is I think why they own the dog to begin with, pitbull owners tend toward well, antisocial behavior.

Think of it this way, how many pitbulls are owned by a married couple? ;)
 
emap said:
Me either, pitbulls tend to be the orneriest of animals on good days. Not that she would admit it, owners of pitbulls always maintain they are the sweetest of things, and they always say the dog would attack if I told it so. Which is I think why they own the dog to begin with, pitbull owners tend toward well, antisocial behavior.

Think of it this way, how many pitbulls are owned by a married couple? ;)

See....I hate this shit. Pitbulls are like any other dog. Those that are raised with a family act like any other dog. However, they don't get along with other dogs that they aren't familiar with.

I've owned many of them over the years, and yes, I was both married and single when I owned them. None of them ever even acted like they would bite someone, although they have been guilty of barking at someone they didn't know.

Oh, wait. Other dogs do that too.

:rolleyes:
 
OKay, just to be clear on the subject.

I am not attacking Pit Bulls per se. (Although they do have a nasty rep.) There are actually worse dogs out there. (I just don't like large dogs in general.)

What has me shaking my head about this article is the womans reaction. The dog was attacking a guy and his dog when the cop showed up. The cop Pepper Sprayed the dog with no result. He then Tased the dog twice which caused it to release the other dog. The dog continued to lunge and growl at the other guy and his dog. It was putting the other guy and his dog in danger. (Not to mention the other people there as well as the cop.) The cop shot the dog.

"For them to just shoot my dog is horrible and cruel". (Her comment.)

Strange I didn't see any comments from her about the other guy and his dog. (Nor was there any in the televised news report where she was complaining about her dog being shot.)

Cat
 
Well, the age-old argument is;

Pitbulls might not bite any more often than other dogs-- but when they do, they are far more deadly.

I've complained about the packs of chihuahuas that run loose on my street, right? About three weeks ago, I got mobbed by them-- seven eentsy, screaming dogs. One of them leapt as high as it could and tried to bit me in the groin! :eek: It nipped me, and I, of course, kicked it into the neighbour's yard.

So, yes, other dogs bark and bite.

But if that had been a pit-- I would not be typing and talking with you right now.

(ETA!) In any case, I can well imagine how any dog, normally loving and family-oriented, would freak out the first time it got loose on the streets...
 
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I don't think there's anything strange about the owner's reaction. Anyone who takes the time to invest in a pet thinks exactly of it the way Jones did; as a part of the family. Most likely, she was still in shock at the loss of a member of her family.

I don't really care that it was a pit bull. Granted, a chihuahua gnawing on a Great Dane probably would not have gotten shot, but many dog breeds are naturally aggressive and stubborn at certain times. Especially if afraid. A German Shepherd or Ridgeback may have acted the same way.

All in all, the officer did what was necessary. Sad, but necessary. And Jones reacted as any loving pet owner would have. With remorse, wishful thinking, and shock.
 
Stella_Omega said:
Well, the age-old argument is;

Pitbulls might not bite any more often than other dogs-- but when they do, they are far more deadly.

I've complained about the packs of chihuahuas that run loose on my street, right? About three weeks ago, I got mobbed by them-- seven eentsy, screaming dogs. One of them leapt as high as it could and tried to bit me in the groin! :eek: It nipped me, and I, of course, kicked it into the neighbour's yard.

So, yes, other dogs bark and bite.

But if that had been a pit-- I would not be typing and talking with you right now.

(ETA!) In any case, I can well imagine how any dog, normally loving and family-oriented, would freak out the first time it got loose on the streets...

I'm sorry Stella but the image of a person being attacked by a pack of Chihuahua's had me laughing. (Maybe it's because my sister had one for a while. The damned thing was about the size of a can of Spam and all it did was sit there vibrating, unless it was pissing on the rug.)

There is only one breed of dog I truly dislike and that is what is called a Hell Hound. Drug Dealers like them but as far as I'm concerned they have only one use, moving targets.

Cat
 
I don't know Cloudy, your kinda antisocial too. :p

Granted I did not put down everything I was thinking, I suppose not enough of what I was thinking. Anyway, yes pit bulls can be very nice and loving, and then one day they get confused I guess and kill the nice old lady they have lived with forever and love. Now think about it, how often do you hear of any other type of dog doing that exact thing? I remember other dogs attacking their owner, soemtimes gets in the news even, but only pit bulls apparently manage to kill their owner when they get confused. They are not worse or better than any other dogs, they are just well, more ornery, when they see something they want to get rid of getting in their way is not a good idea. Most other dogs you intercede and they back off, pitbulls don't. Well OK they don't without alot of persuasion anyway.

Honestly I rather think pitbulls are the dog version of a wolverine, just twenty times nicer until they get pissed.
 
I don't know, but it seems to me that the argument that pit bulls can be kind and loving when addressing a specific issue where a pit bull has tried to tear the throat out of someone and/or his pet is, you know, sort of . . . empty.
 
sr71plt said:
I don't know, but it seems to me that the argument that pit bulls can be kind and loving when addressing a specific issue where a pit bull has tried to tear the throat out of someone and/or his pet is, you know, sort of . . . empty.

It is, however, necessary when pitbulls are involved because there are fairly widespread, organized attempts, to not only outlaw, but exerminate the entire breed -- based entirely on incidents like this, where a Rotweiler, Doberman, German Shepherd, Mastiff, or any other large breed might well have done exactly the same thing.

I don't have any problem with holding dog-owners -- or in this case dog-minders -- responsible for their dogs' actions but I do have a problem with breed specific legislation that holds owners of specific breeds to a higher standard than chihuahua owners.
 
Once again I agree with Weird Harold. Not surprising, I guess.
said Friday that her pit bull was loving, enjoyed the company of children and other animals, and had never behaved violently before. The dog had lived with her two young sons and two other dogs in Delray Beach. "For them to just shoot my dog is horrible and cruel," Jones said, sobbing. "I love my pets like they're my children."

So says the owner. But
"If I tell them to attack, they would attack."
and that implies a good deal of training, actually setting out to train the dog to attack others on request.

Keeping attack dogs is a pretty damn lousy and antisocial thing to do. Think about it. How on earth would anyone know that "If I tell them to attack, they would attack" unless they'd done the training?

The officer did what he had to do. Except for the Taser. What was that all about? Electric current would hit both dogs, and Muskie's owner, too. The officer told everyone to stand back before shooting, but Tasered all three of them without even hesitating.

The Tasering was idiotic. It nearly always is, when it isn't just cruel and sociopathic. Tasers should be taken out of the hands of police. They obviously can't be trusted to use them.
 
In the UK, ownership of a Pit Bull is illegal.

If such a dog was seen loose on the street, not only is it likely to be destroyed but the owner would go to jail.

Og
 
oggbashan said:
In the UK, ownership of a Pit Bull is illegal.

If such a dog was seen loose on the street, not only is it likely to be destroyed but the owner would go to jail.

Og

Sorry, but they are legal, though "subject to certain restrictions brought in under The Dangerous Dogs Act 1991.

They must be neutered.
They must be insured.
They must be muzzled and kept on a lead in public.
They must be microchipped.
They must be registered."

They are, however, socially frowned upon.

Of course the main problem with a problem dog is the owner.

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STELLA is correct. Chihuahuas are nasty little bastards. They'll often attack you without provocation.

My daughter owns a pitbull. He looks ferocious, and is very large and strong. But he's a sweetie.
 
JAMESBJOHNSON said:
STELLA is correct. Chihuahuas are nasty little bastards. They'll often attack you without provocation.

My daughter owns a pitbull. He looks ferocious, and is very large and strong. But he's a sweetie.
*shudders* Chihuahuas scare the shit out of me more than any large dog, they have needles for teeth and I have marks to prove it.

I am more catious with all dogs around little one though and if the dog is unknown/or known to be a problem I will walk between her and the dog just incase. More so because of what mils said about 'Of course the main problem with a problem dog is the owner.'
 
There are nutty dogs. I had a German Shepherd many years ago. His daddy was a big ol sweetie, and his mom was a fucking nutcase who attacked children from behind without provocation. My dog inherited a little of his momma.
 
I was adopted by a pit bull as a kid. It only attacked someone once- when the guy (a convicted rapist who had just been released) tried to force his way into the house where my 12 year old sister was home alone. The guy's family called the cops- we gave the dog a T-bone steak for dinner (and this is back when we were literally dirt-poor). He would, however, show aggression to ANYONE who he didn't know who tried to touch any of us kids. He never bit- just got between us and the person and showed his teeth silently, with hackles up.

Then again, my enormous, goofy, completely docile hound will do the same thing if I try to spank my kids for misbehaving- she never barks or growls, just gets between us and shows her teeth, hackles up, with her tail going 90 to nothing.

She gets spanked too, and then they all go sulk in the corner.
 
JAMESBJOHNSON said:
STELLA is correct. Chihuahuas are nasty little bastards. They'll often attack you without provocation.

My daughter owns a pitbull. He looks ferocious, and is very large and strong. But he's a sweetie.

Given the choice of fending off a Chihuahua and a pitbull--being forced to make the choice--I'll work with the Chihuahua, I think.
 
Personally I think I would prefer the pit bull. Those little hairless rats are so incredibly loud and high pitched. And OK the absolute dumbest things on the planet, well maybe not quite, I have met many a person dumber. :rolleyes:
 
Vermilion said:
Sorry, but they are legal, though "subject to certain restrictions brought in under The Dangerous Dogs Act 1991.

They must be neutered.

Like I said, there is a widespread, organized effort by pitbull haters to, not just resrict but, exterminate the breed -- in the UK they achieved nearly all of their goals -- universal neutering is just slow genocide rather than the active bloodbath pitbull haters would prefer.

Most of the other provisions you listed do seem reasonable precautions for any number of large breeds that were intiially bred to be agressive -- or any large carnivores kept as pets.
 
emap said:
Personally I think I would prefer the pit bull. Those little hairless rats are so incredibly loud and high pitched. And OK the absolute dumbest things on the planet, well maybe not quite, I have met many a person dumber. :rolleyes:

I hate little dogs because they're such small, quick targets if you need to administer a Boot-To-The-Head(tm) manners lesson to them.

Large dogs are unquestionable more dangerous, but they're also much less likely to be allowed to be annoying -- people think tiny dogs are cute when they're agressive.
 
Really? How weird I guess your old feet move slower cause I've never had a problem with that. They are in love wiht running up to me and doing that incredibly annoying hopping bark and growl thing. Not to mention generally messing the ground in the process. :confused:

Those things are the actual terrorists of dogs, they don't kill you, but they make your life a living hell and you wish they did. :eek:
 
emap said:
Really? How weird I guess your old feet move slower cause I've never had a problem with that.

Didn't say I couldn't ejikate'm, just that they're smaller and faster targets. :p
 
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