What's the Difference

[YoursSINSerely]

Without being physical, what's the difference between aguing a point of view and fighting about a point of view?

 

[sr71plt]

The one being asked the question.

Usually when one starts to realize their point is collapsing, they acuse the other one of arguing the issue to death and/or employ other "shut up" ploys. Or they ask them why they are bothering to post to the thread.

 

[YoursSINSerely]

The one being asked the question.

I don't understand your reply.

 

[sr71plt]

I augmented it. And you understand my reply, but you just want to fight, and I think you should shut up, and why are you posting to this thread anyway.

 

[_Lynn_]

I augmented it. And you understand my reply, but you just want to fight, and I think you should shut up, and why are you posting to this thread anyway.

Got credentials for all that drivel?

lol lol lol lol

 

[YoursSINSerely]

I augmented it. And you understand my reply, but you just want to fight, and I think you should shut up, and why are you posting to this thread anyway.

I started the thread. I am the first poster. You can't start a thread and not post to it.

I don't understand your reply. I don't want to argue. I have read your answer forward, backward and inside out trying to give different words accents along the way.

Shut up? Those are adult words there?

I really want to know if there is a difference between arguing, or you can call it debating; and fighting? Is it the volume that turns it into a "fight"? I want you to know I'm typing as quietly as I possibly can.

 

[amicus]

]Without being physical, what's the difference between aguing a point of view and fighting about a point of view?[/I]

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If I understand your question, the problem lies with those who reject absolute knowledge and self evident truths and hold that all points of view are subjective and personal.

They are forced to argue or defend and fight for their point of view as they have rejected reality as the final arbiter between truth and falsehood and their personal self esteem is at risk if they cannot defend their personal point of view.

Now...if instead you are referring to literary POV, I.E. First person or third person omniscient, then we have a different discussion altogether.))

Amicus

 

[_Lynn_]

Without being physical, what's the difference between aguing a point of view and fighting about a point of view?

Arguing is more of a debate, having facts to back up what you're stating, two or more adults with differing opinions, yet respecting that they are each allowed those opinions.

Fighting is name calling, louder, rude, getting off the track of the original topic, one person always feeling their opinion is right and everyone else's is wrong, never giving correct information or having anything to prove what you're saying is indeed correct, I think.

Just my opinion.

 

[sr71plt]

Got credentials for all that drivel?

lol lol lol lol

Yes, around here somewhere. In the closet, I think. But, we'll have to wait until later, because BFW is taking a nap in there.

 

[YoursSINSerely]

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If I understand your question, the problem lies with those who reject absolute knowledge and self evident truths and hold that all points of view are subjective and personal.

They are forced to argue or defend and fight for their point of view as they have rejected reality as the final arbiter between truth and falsehood and their personal self esteem is at risk if they cannot defend their personal point of view.

Now...if instead you are referring to literary POV, I.E. First person or third person omniscient, then we have a different discussion altogether.))

Amicus

Memory problems--on the PC, not me.

 

[YoursSINSerely]

~~~

If I understand your question, the problem lies with those who reject absolute knowledge and self evident truths and hold that all points of view are subjective and personal.

They are forced to argue or defend and fight for their point of view as they have rejected reality as the final arbiter between truth and falsehood and their personal self esteem is at risk if they cannot defend their personal point of view.

Now...if instead you are referring to literary POV, I.E. First person or third person omniscient, then we have a different discussion altogether.))

Amicus

But, what if you are just trying to teach someone something and they start arguing about it. The teacher knows they are right, hence their title; but the student fights back.

Is there a winner of the entire discussion because one is more convincing and the other is less prepared to argue? Should there be a winner every time?

Is there a right and a not-so-right result to every argument? Isn't this what a debating team does?

 

[sr71plt]

Hookay, another try. Discussing is what reasonable people do, arguing is what opinionated people do, fighting is what fanatics (or wounded people) do. Most often, however, each one involved defines him/herself as reasonable and everyone not on her/his "cyber team" as either opinionated or fanatical.

These are the rules of the Internet. They're posted around here somewhere. I have a copy. Oh, drat, they're in the closet.

 

[Stella_Omega]

But, what if you are just trying to teach someone something and they start arguing about it. The teacher knows they are right, hence their title; but the student fights back. Is there a winner of the entire discussion because one is more convincing and the other is less prepared to argue? Should there be a winner every time? Is there a right and a not-so-right result to every argument? Isn't this what a debating team does?

"knows they are right" is kinda incorrect, unless you are talking about verifiables-- like "rocks raise lumps on heads" and "salmon spawn upstream."

When you start talking theory, like "Most women don't like commercial porn" (which I hold to be "true" meaning it's a viable theory based on current data) or "There's such a thing as absolute knowledge (which I think is horseshit but Amicus holds to be true) then you'll get arguments, no matter how well-credentialed the teacher is.

 

[_Lynn_]

Hookay, another try. Discussing is what reasonable people do, arguing is what opinionated people do, fighting is what fanatics do. Most often, however, each one involved defines him/herself as reasonable and everyone not on her/his "cyber team" as either opinionated or fanatical.

These are the rules of the Internet. They're posted around here somewhere. I have a copy. Oh, drat, they're in the closet.

And BFW is asleep in there, yeah.

 

[YoursSINSerely]

Hookay, another try. Discussing is what reasonable people do, arguing is what opinionated people do, fighting is what fanatics do. Most often, however, each one involved defines him/herself as reasonable and everyone not on her/his "cyber team" as either opinionated or fanatical.

These are the rules of the Internet. They're posted around here somewhere. I have a copy. Oh, drat, they're in the closet.

Oh, the Pilot made a funny. LOL

I liked the first part with your definition of discussing, arguing and fighting. But when does an argument turn to the word fighting? When voices are raised in volume, or general words turn into swearing words?

I'll tell ya something. At my sister's house, the word fuck comes out of everyone's mouth, like water over a damn. It just flows out of their mouths like its just a normal word. I'm always aghast (sorta) and think everybody is fight. Nah. They just walk away and forget it. They think they are just "discussing" according to your definition up above.

So, I think its all just an opinion as Lynn stated below: "That's just my opinion."

Do I get upset when I got to my sister's house? Yeah. Do I go back? Yeah. I still think they are fighting, but that's just my opinion. I still don't like it, but I listen to both sides and might even walk away with a third opinion of the entire argument.

 

[sr71plt]

Well, OK, if you ever see the word "fuck" in one of my postings, chances are very good I'm fighting. Hope that helps.

 

[YoursSINSerely]

"knows they are right" is kinda incorrect, unless you are talking about verifiables-- like "rocks raise lumps on heads" and "salmon spawn upstream."

When you start talking theory, like "Most women don't like commercial porn" (which I hold to be "true" meaning it's a viable theory based on current data) or "There's such a thing as absolute knowledge (which I think is horseshit but Amicus holds to be true) then you'll get arguments, no matter how well-credentialed the teacher is.

Hi Stella,

I don't think I 've ever talked to you before. Nice to meet you.

See, I think teachers are always right. No argument.

Your survey could be totally wrong because they didnt' survey the right people. I would argue with those results even if you had figures in black and white on any given day. This could turn into a fight until you agree to survey absolutely everyone. I still wouldn't raise my voice or swear at you, but I would fight to the end to get the proper answer. Only, because my opinion is the right one.

 

[Liar]

It's easy. I argue. Peple who disagree with me fight.

 

[sr71plt]

That's what I started with (perhaps not as succinctly, though)--and it didn't seem to fly.

 

[_Lynn_]

Hi Stella,

I don't think I 've ever talked to you before. Nice to meet you.

See, I think teachers are always right. No argument.

Your survey could be totally wrong because they didnt' survey the right people. I would argue with those results even if you had figures in black and white on any given day. This could turn into a fight until you agree to survey absolutely everyone. I still wouldn't raise my voice or swear at you, but I would fight to the end to get the proper answer. Only, because my opinion is the right one.

I disagree about teachers. No one is always right.

 

[sr71plt]

See, I think teachers are always right. No argument.

Well, now, that's what we'd have to call a non sequitur, right there.

 

[3113]

See, I think teachers are always right. No argument.

Which teachers? On which topics? What constitutes a teacher? Oh, and by the way, I'm a teacher, does that mean I'm always right? If so, what if I say that Teachers are sometimes wrong?

 

[YoursSINSerely]

Well, OK, if you ever see the word "fuck" in one of my postings, chances are very good I'm fighting. Hope that helps.

But this "fuck" doesn't count, right?

Yeah, you are right, Pilot. You don't swear.

So, I'm clear now on what's arguing for you and what's fighting for you. This helps. Arguing being just a glorified discussion, and fighting being really pissed off.

Now, if I can get the BOSTONFICTIONWRITER, Michchick, Scouries, Lloyd, etc., to clarify, that will help me, too.

 

[Liar]

I disagree about teachers. No one is always right.

I am.

 

[_Lynn_]

I am.