What Slaves Need

[Ebonyfire]

Here is a great article by David Stein that describes that slaves should look for a Master (Mistress) who can provide for His/her basic needs:

Direction,
Discipline and,
Service.

Yes, it is written from a male slaves perspective, but it does hold true for all flavors of Master/mistress slave relationships.

Here is the link:

What Slaves Need by David Stein

Ebony

 

[lovetoread]

Any idiot can tell someone else what to do!

I love that line.

Thanks for the link,it was an informative read.

 

[Ebonyfire]

I love that line.

Thanks for the link,it was an informative read.

Me too! I am love that article.

Eb

 

[Ebonyfire]

Here is a great article by David Stein that describes that slaves should look for a Master (Mistress) who can provide for His/her basic needs:

Direction,
Discipline and,
Service.

Yes, it is written from a male slaves perspective, but it does hold true for all flavors of Master/mistress slave relationships.

Here is the link:

What Slaves Need by David Stein

Ebony

I forgot to mention that I have the author's permission to post this here.

Eb

 

[proud stallion]

Hello A/all. i just wanted to say "hello." i have had the extreme honor and rare privilage to have recently been claimed by Mistress Ebony.
She has told me so much about so many of Y/you, and i look forward to "meeting" Y/you all, and getting to know Y/you.
ps

 

[Lancecastor]

Welcome aboard, PS....it's good to see you here!

Any friend of Eb's......

Cheers;

Lance

 

[lovetoread]

Welcome PS.

Enjoy the boards and Welcome to Lit.

 

[cellis]

Eb...

Thank you for the link... I have read some of stein's thoughts on slavery when I was researching the issue and I enjoy his writings.

Welcome to proud stallion... I am so happy that Eb has found you.

 

[artful]

Welcome PS,...

Hello A/all. i just wanted to say "hello." i have had the extreme honor and rare privilage to have recently been claimed by Mistress Ebony.
She has told me so much about so many of Y/you, and i look forward to "meeting" Y/you all, and getting to know Y/you.
ps

...I look forward to reading your posts and gaining further insight into yours and Eb's progression, into what I feel is the most challenging situation for any of us to participate in, (as regards SSC-LDR-LTR).

The added bonus for me, is that Eb and you are also engaged in a Mistress/slave relationship which compares well with what Dream and I are committed to.

Be well,...your friend,........................Art

 

[~*sunkyssed_kym*~]

Great thread Eb!

I read David's information and concluded that what MY-Sir and I share is exactly as it should be. I am open to being used and useful to HIM. HE fulfills my need to serve with constant direction. HE knows what is needed to bring out the best in me, and uses that for both of our satisfaction.


-kym- serving her Sir with joy

 

[Ebonyfire]

Re: Great thread Eb!

I read David's information and concluded that what MY-Sir and I share is exactly as it should be. I am open to being used and useful to HIM. HE fulfills my need to serve with constant direction. HE knows what is needed to bring out the best in me, and uses that for both of our satisfaction.


-kym- serving her Sir with joy

I am really pleased to hear that. I am striving for the same success with my proud stallion.

Glad you liked the article.

Thanks to all who have posted.

Eb

 

[Ebonyfire]

Bumping

big bump

 

[pet petra]

Re: Great thread Eb!

I read David's information and concluded that what MY-Sir and I share is exactly as it should be. I am open to being used and useful to HIM. HE fulfills my need to serve with constant direction. HE knows what is needed to bring out the best in me, and uses that for both of our satisfaction.


-kym- serving her Sir with joy

I hear ya Kym!! I am totally on the same page. I think also that being a lave is an excercise in humility which is a great virtue. Also If I let my Sir clean the house, it would take him years! Sometimes it takes a Slave to do a Master's job.. Petra

 

[Ebonyfire]

Re: Re: Great thread Eb!

I hear ya Kym!! I am totally on the same page. I think also that being a lave is an excercise in humility which is a great virtue. Also If I let my Sir clean the house, it would take him years! Sometimes it takes a Slave to do a Master's job.. Petra

Or Mistress'. my boys are great at housework.

Very anal.

 

[pet petra]

Re: Re: Re: Great thread Eb!

Or Mistress'. my boys are great at housework.

Very anal.

Hey Eb! Could you send your boys my way..I'll top from the botton for a clean house!

Petra

 

[Ebonyfire]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Great thread Eb!

Hey Eb! Could you send your boys my way..I'll top from the botton for a clean house!

Petra

I hear ya! They have not been around since th eholidays, so the house needs some work. Fortunately I have a teenager around to pick up the slack.

 

[catalina_francisco]

Ebony may not be with us now bringing us new pieces of information and insight we so loved, when I came across this thread I thought it warranted another look for all the newer posters who may not have seen the article, and those wondering where they fit and what to look for. It is an excellent piece of reference material to read and digest. Enjoy.

Catalina

 

[FdiskIt]

Thank you for bringing this post back up to the front. I found it to be a very interesting and informative statement.

 

[Kajira Callista]

Wow that articles summary was exactly what i was saying thru that whole endureance thread. If it feels wrong or it doesnt fit then move on.

 

[ricsmis]

GRRRRRRREAT ARTICLE! Thank You!

 

[catalina_francisco]

Wow that articles summary was exactly what i was saying thru that whole endureance thread. If it feels wrong or it doesnt fit then move on.

I am not trying to be confrnotational, but I don't totally agree it resembles your views on the endurance thread. For one thing it is an article aimed mostly at what to be aware of before entering into an agreement, (most noteable in the summary which prefaces the word 'Master'with potential on each point) not promoting the notion that you can 'walk out the door' the minute you find your pleasure is not being served after final commitment has been made. Even when David refers to less than satisfactory circumstances between slave and Master/Mistress, he does not sugest leaving, more so that the slave will not be content.

It also emphasizews that though a slave looks for a Master/Mistress who will fulfil their image of what suits them, the slave is there to serve, not to live in pleasure according to what they think appropriate. Is as many said in the other thread, be careful before committing as if you commit to someone who plays for keeps and you don't, or expects service you have no intention of delivering, it is not going to go well for either of the parties. Of course, if both Master/Mistress and slave enter into an agreement acknowledging a time frame or an agreement where there are terms by which the relationship is cancelled, there may be points on which a slave can walk free. Where the agreement exists as in my relationship, there is no walking out any doors permitted. Awareness is the key to safety and contentment long term, and part of that awareness being the parameters of the relationship each person expects and commits to.

Catalina

 

[Kajira Callista]

well you should read what i posted over there a little closer then...because it is what i said. i dont intend to continue on in an argument over someone misunderstanding my post. But i will continue to express one opinion of mine as may times as i see fit. It is important to remember that ppl are new to this and it is a dangerous game if not played right (for lack of better words). Yes slaves in a long term committed M/s relationship have the background of trust and understanding and safety which doesnt always show in posts that i read as a newcomer to this forum reading them, and im sure not to alot of new sub/slaves or Master/Mistresses. And i kinda think everyone should think about something for a second. If we preach safe sane consentual...shouldnt we teach it too?

 

[catalina_francisco]

well you should read what i posted over there a little closer then...because it is what i said. i dont intend to continue on in an argument over someone misunderstanding my post. But i will continue to express one opinion of mine as may times as i see fit. It is important to remember that ppl are new to this and it is a dangerous game if not played right (for lack of better words). Yes slaves in a long term committed M/s relationship have the background of trust and understanding and safety which doesnt always show in posts that i read as a newcomer to this forum reading them, and im sure not to alot of new sub/slaves or Master/Mistresses. And i kinda think everyone should think about something for a second. If we preach safe sane consentual...shouldnt we teach it too?

We do Kajira...which is why I always promote giving the full story and all possibilities not just th soft version so as not to scare off newcomers. I am not interested in recruiting, but I am interested in promoting safety through awareness and information which covers all possibilities. I have spoken to sub/slaves before who have found themselves in trouble because they were not given the full story and thought their perception upon entering a relationship was the only one, or at least were unaware of the extremes they found themselves in. It is not nice or safe too find out too late you have bitten off more than you knew you had to chew. It is irresponsible to do make out it does not happen in a variety of ways.

I am happy for you if in your slave relationship you feel it is about a slaves pleasure as you said, and you have the freedom to walk when you find it is not to your taste, but that is your relationship...there are other ways like my own, and osg's which mean we do not have the right to leave and I want to make sure people are aware of what they commit to before doing it and not after.

Catalina

 

[Kajira Callista]

i really wish you wouldnt twist my words to suit yourself . please just read what it says instead of reading what you chose into them

 

[catalina_francisco]

i really wish you wouldnt twist my words to suit yourself . please just read what it says instead of reading what you chose into them

KC, there is no need to get upset. I did read your words, and as you know so did others who did not see it the way you did. I have not twisted your words, nor am I interested in doing so as this is about safety, not you, not me. You did say the relationship is about pleasure which despite this not being everyone's reality really does not disturb me as deeply as your insistence anyone is free to leave, when people clearly stated this was not their understanding or experience. When challenged you then switched to you were sure it would be a Dominant's wish to let their slave go if they were ever unhappy. At the end of the day you still insisted any slave could leave whenever they chose or decided they were unhappy despite the words of others.

You say you were a slave for 6 years, so presumably ending the relationship by one of you was part of that relationship, but is not everyone's reality. As you say, SSC is an important message to understand and uphold for newcomers, and as such requires honesty in presenting all possibilities, the good and the bad, the mild and the extreme. Surely you can see the sense in that and the danger in trying to gloss over or ignore the possibilities of all variations of commitments. Like you, I am not interested in going through this all over again and have said all I have to on the matter from my own experience, the variety of relationships and terms available, and the acknowledgement this is an important point for newcomers to understand before getting stuck with something unexpected. That was what I liked about the article..an open and honest assessment of aspects to look at preferrably before commitment takes place.

Catalina