What is a flock of Mary Sues called?

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I just re-read a nearly complete story I had written years ago, before I even had an account on Lit. 300K words purely pantsed, then set aside because I thought it was meandering to much.

Turns out, it wasn't. And I think it is really good. It needs a lot of work, but it has some of the most interesting characters I've written, some of the best relationships, a real plot that is heavily about sex as a concept while not being specifically about having it. Because of all that, it has some of the best, hottest, and most varied sex scenes I've ever written.

The problem is, it is an ensemble cast, and all of them are Mary Sues. Not quite that shallow, they do have flaws, but they are very, very intellectuallly and emotionally exceptional people. All between 18-23 years of age.

The problem with fixing that problem is that the whole story is about these exceptional people finding each other and building something important together.

It's also a little preachy in parts, but I can tone that down.

It's not all that realistic, though it is written in a way to induce suspension of disbelief. But I'm reminded of a quote from an author whose name I cannot remember (quoted from memory, so put into my own words):

"It is not mere happenstance that your story has extraordinary people or events in it. You selected this story to tell from all possible stories because those people and their story are extaordinary."

I'm on the fence about doing the huge amount of work needed to make it presentable. I love the story and the characters, but it's a big decision since my writing time is limited, and I'm not sure it will go over well. And the story is huge, the size of three novels. Even to me, some of it feels trite, too convenient, too unbelievable. Though that can, probably, be fixed up some. Still, my tastes are pretty niche, so I wonder if it is a story written just for me with little appeal to anyone else.

I'm not even sure I have a question for y'all, more just thinking out loud. But if anybody else wants to think out loud about it, I'd love to hear it.
 
Heinlein sold lots of books, even as his characters became more and more boring.
Because he had already made himself a legend in his own time. I read some of that stuff and find myself desperately trying to make excuses because I like him so much.

Gotta say, though, that now that you mention it, this story feels a little Heinleinish, even if it isn't science fiction, and not nearly as good as his good stuff. I probably assimilated too much of his approach.
 
The problem is, it is an ensemble cast, and all of them are Mary Sues. Not quite that shallow, they do have flaws, but they are very, very intellectuallly and emotionally exceptional people. All between 18-23 years of age.
Are they at an elite university? Because if so, their Mary Sue-ness isn't that strange... in fact, it would be weird if they weren't.
 
I'm struggling to see why a certain type of character needs to be replicated in a story, unless it's some kind of commentary on uniformity
 
Are they at an elite university? Because if so, their Mary Sue-ness isn't that strange... in fact, it would be weird if they weren't.
They're at a fairly elite high school. Some are going on to MIT, Stanford, and the like. Some of the characters are from an extremely wealthy high acheivement family.
 
Well, whatever they are, I'd make sure the reader can tell them apart, by more than just name and hairstyle.
 
I'm struggling to see why a certain type of character needs to be replicated in a story, unless it's some kind of commentary on uniformity
Their not replicated, they're individual characters with different backgrounds and personalities, but with this one trait of intellectual and emotional exceptionalism in common.

What I took your Stepford Wives comment to refer to was their 'perfection'. But no, it isn't really like that.
 
Ah, okay. When you described them as "Mary Sues", it implied they were'nt really that distigushable from each other.
 
When you described them as "Mary Sues", it implied they were'nt really that distigushable from each other.
I was exaggerating a litle to be self-deprecating, because I'm not trying to sell the idea, I'm trying to see if it stands up to critique, at least in my own head. They're all different, but they're all too smart and competent.
 
Characters do not exist in a vacuum. You can take the most talented, intellectually gifted and emotionally well-adjusted individuals, and the plot involving still doesn't have to be boring if the drama and conflict that their face are of an appropriate caliber.

So the question is: does your story contain appropriate challenges for your amazing ensemble? Have you matched your superheroes against supervillians? Do they suffer setbacks, even if they ultimately win in the end? If the answers are all yes, you have a potential for a good story there.
 

What is a flock of Mary Sues called?​

Sheep for the shearing, hum, maybe a herd for the wolf.

Advice: fix it up and publish it!
I just re-read a nearly complete story I had written years ago, before I even had an account on Lit. 300K words purely pantsed, then set aside because I thought it was meandering to much.

Turns out, it wasn't. And I think it is really good. It needs a lot of work, but it has some of the most interesting characters I've written, some of the best relationships, a real plot that is heavily about sex as a concept while not being specifically about having it. Because of all that, it has some of the best, hottest, and most varied sex scenes I've ever written.

The problem is, it is an ensemble cast, and all of them are Mary Sues. Not quite that shallow, they do have flaws, but they are very, very intellectuallly and emotionally exceptional people. All between 18-23 years of age.

The problem with fixing that problem is that the whole story is about these exceptional people finding each other and building something important together.

It's also a little preachy in parts, but I can tone that down.

It's not all that realistic, though it is written in a way to induce suspension of disbelief. But I'm reminded of a quote from an author whose name I cannot remember (quoted from memory, so put into my own words):

"It is not mere happenstance that your story has extraordinary people or events in it. You selected this story to tell from all possible stories because those people and their story are extaordinary."

I'm on the fence about doing the huge amount of work needed to make it presentable. I love the story and the characters, but it's a big decision since my writing time is limited, and I'm not sure it will go over well. And the story is huge, the size of three novels. Even to me, some of it feels trite, too convenient, too unbelievable. Though that can, probably, be fixed up some. Still, my tastes are pretty niche, so I wonder if it is a story written just for me with little appeal to anyone else.

I'm not even sure I have a question for y'all, more just thinking out loud. But if anybody else wants to think out loud about it, I'd love to hear it.
 
Have you matched your superheroes against supervillians? Do they suffer setbacks, even if they ultimately win in the end?
Not quite, but there's some really obvious potential already in there, hints of things that could set them back and some obvious directions for those threats to come from.

There's one low level bad guy in it, and the resolution of that conflict at the end of what cold be termed act 1, is what kicks off the coalescing of this group (act 2) that eventually embarks on this grand project (act 3).

But he is never heard from again. (One of the pitfalls of pantsing sometimes, at least for me). Escalating that early conflict fits really naturally into everything that happens later.

It's really a coming of age story, around 4 main couples (each of which has one member as a POV character), so a lot of the conflicts are internal. But that is what sub plots are for.

Gotta admit, one of the reasons I loved reading this story again is because everything goes so damned well for them. Kind of like fantasy escapism for me (it was like the author could read my mind). But that's probably also the reason I moved on from it. At some point that got really boring, and I couldn't bear to write yet more things to go right.
 
Don't you just love it when you find a story like this? There's an author here on Lit that does that for me. I think he's called StillStunned.
I once thought I found an author like this but that lobster guy turned out to be a talentless hack.
 
I'm on the fence about doing the huge amount of work needed to make it presentable. I love the story and the characters, but it's a big decision since my writing time is limited, and I'm not sure it will go over well. And the story is huge, the size of three novels. Even to me, some of it feels trite, too convenient, too unbelievable. Though that can, probably, be fixed up some. Still, my tastes are pretty niche, so I wonder if it is a story written just for me with little appeal to anyone else.

If it's such a huge project, you will have to stay excited about it for some time. Certainly I would not expect you to stay as excited as you are now, but you will have to maintain some reasonable level of interest for however many weeks/months. Perhaps wait a week and if you are still chomping at the bit to do this, it's a good sign that you really should follow through.
 
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