What happened to all of the doom and gloom economic threads?

[koalabear]

So your spin is that it doesn't matter that Obama walked into an economy where we were losing over -600,000 jobs per month? Obama should be held accountable for the recession?



Not true.

So your spin is that Oblamer hasn't done a thing in office.

 

[VaticanAssassin]

I watched MSNBC this morning. Guess I am not the only one

Some friendly advice Merc; you are the consistently the stupidest poster in this thread that is not on ignore. I do not know what type of subjects you partly understand, but you should stick to them and stay away from economics.

 

[garbage can]

So your spin is that it doesn't matter that Obama walked into an economy where we were losing over -600,000 jobs per month? Obama should be held accountable for the recession?

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No, he should be held accountable for not creating an atmosphere for recovery.

 

[mercury14]

I watched MSNBC this morning. Guess I am not the only one

Some friendly advice Merc; you are the consistently the stupidest poster in this thread that is not on ignore. I do not know what type of subjects you partly understand, but you should stick to them and stay away from economics.

You'd sound more intelligent if you countered my facts with some of your own. "But ur stupid" isn't considered a reasonable argument outside of 5th-grade playgrounds.

 

[RobDownSouth]

See Vetty Derp. Derp, Vetty, Derp.

349,000 jobs for 36 months straight would result in an unemployment rate of 1.9%

Here's a handy calculator created by the Atlanta Federal Reserve to calculate jobs and unemployment rates: LINK

Vettebigot dishonors the United States Marine Corps one lie at a time.

Edited to add: would someone please quote me so I can make the cowardly Ishspawn VatAss squeal like a pig as well? Thx!

 

[mercury14]

No, he should be held accountable for not creating an atmosphere for recovery.

*Yawn*

And when I ask you what Obama policy killed jobs you blather on without any giving any evidence to support your position. We've been through this a dozen times.

 

[RobDownSouth]

*Yawn*

And when I ask you what Obama policy killed jobs you blather on without any giving any evidence to support your position. We've been through this a dozen times.

You ask complex questions, remember?

That skeers the Wuss demographic here.

 

[koalabear]

The actual monthly amount can be calculated and the Atlanta Fed even did us a huge favor by publishing an interactive monthly jobs calculator so you can go check for yourself. This month shows we need 104,116 payroll jobs to maintain the same unemployment rate of 8.1% with all of the other same terrible conditions the state of employment is in.

That's the key, the current terrible conditions the state of employment is in today. One of the reasons the number of jobs to keep up with population growth is so low is due to so many having dropped out of the labor force. If we had more people being counted as needing a job, the number of jobs to keep up with population growth would be much higher.

 

[JohnnySavage]

The actual monthly amount can be calculated and the Atlanta Fed even did us a huge favor by publishing an interactive monthly jobs calculator so you can go check for yourself. This month shows we need 104,116 payroll jobs to maintain the same unemployment rate of 8.1% with all of the other same terrible conditions the state of employment is in.

That's the key, the current terrible conditions the state of employment is in today. One of the reasons the number of jobs to keep up with population growth is so low is due to so many having dropped out of the labor force. If we had more people being counted as needing a job, the number of jobs to keep up with population growth would be much higher.

http://www.economicpopulist.org/content/how-many-jobs-are-needed-keep-population-growth

 

[VaticanAssassin]

You'd sound more intelligent if you countered my facts with some of your own. "But ur stupid" isn't considered a reasonable argument outside of 5th-grade playgrounds.

I also refuse to argue the merits of Allah with a suicide bomber. Some people you just can't reach....

 

[garbage can]

No, he should be held accountable for not creating an atmosphere for recovery.

*Yawn*

And when I ask you what Obama policy killed jobs you blather on without any giving any evidence to support your position. We've been through this a dozen times.

Killing the Keystone pipeline.
Stifling gov't regulation in many agencies
Zero energy policy
uncertainty in the private sector
Killing the coal industry

 

[garbage can]

*Yawn*

And when I ask you what Obama policy killed jobs you blather on without any giving any evidence to support your position. We've been through this a dozen times.

You either forgot
you weren't aware
or you're a liar

 

[mercury14]

Killing the Keystone pipeline.
Stifling gov't regulation in many agencies
Zero energy policy
uncertainty in the private sector
Killing the coal industry

1) The Keystone pipeline would employ a mere five to six thousand people temporarily. That would have no economic impact considering the economy is currently generating almost 6,000 jobs PER DAY. You're falling for hype instead of using your brain.

2) Name the "stifling government regulation" and how many jobs are lost. This is the part where I ask you for evidence and you waffle around empty-handed.

3) "Zero energy policy" means nothing. Be more specific.

4) "Uncertainty" means nothing. Be more specific.

5) The coal industry was not killed. It's still there and it's always going to be there. And as coal jobs decrease we're seeing a corresponding increase in jobs involving other types of energy. Natural gas is already cheaper than coal and it's on a trajectory to become MUCH cheaper. And cleaner. And safer. And have less health impact on people, which makes it cheaper on another level. Free market forces are at work here, not sure why you think that's a bad thing.

 

[Busybody]

I also refuse to argue the merits of Allah with a suicide bomber. Some people you just can't reach....

WE ARE ALL BUSYBODY, err Re-TurnerLeaf

 

[koalabear]

1) The Keystone pipeline would employ a mere five to six thousand people temporarily. That would have no economic impact considering the economy is currently generating almost 6,000 jobs PER DAY. You're falling for hype instead of using your brain.

2) Name the "stifling government regulation" and how many jobs are lost. This is the part where I ask you for evidence and you waffle around empty-handed.

3) "Zero energy policy" means nothing. Be more specific.

4) "Uncertainty" means nothing. Be more specific.

5) The coal industry was not killed. It's still there and it's always going to be there. And as coal jobs decrease we're seeing a corresponding increase in jobs involving other types of energy. Natural gas is already cheaper than coal and it's on a trajectory to become MUCH cheaper. And cleaner. And safer. And have less health impact on people, which makes it cheaper on another level. Free market forces are at work here, not sure why you think that's a bad thing.

So it is your spin that 5 to 6000 jobs are useless.

 

[Busybody]

5-6000 jobs for keystone is utter bs

 

[koalabear]

5-6000 jobs for keystone is utter bs

Well you don't count the off-shoot jobs created.

 

[mercury14]

5-6000 jobs for keystone is utter bs

How many jobs is accurate? Michelle Bachmann pulled "ten thousand" out of her ass. Even 10k jobs isn't going to make a dent in unemployment.

Not to mention Obama merely postponed the pipeline, he did not block it.

 

[garbage can]

1) 2) Name the "stifling government regulation" and how many jobs are lost. This is the part where I ask you for evidence and you waffle around empty-handed.

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Lets deal with one.

Gov't regulation is closing hundreds of coal fired plants, killing their jobs, along with with jobs of the suppliers and service related jobs.

 

[Busybody]

Well you don't count the off-shoot jobs created.

I 'd fucking like to shoot the damn HO!MO!

 

[garbage can]

How many jobs is accurate? Michelle Bachmann pulled "ten thousand" out of her ass. Even 10k jobs isn't going to make a dent in unemployment.

Not to mention Obama merely postponed the pipeline, he did not block it.

He postponed it, which creates an atmosphere of not wanting to create jobs.

 

[garbage can]

1) [3) "Zero energy policy" means nothing. Be more specific.
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How do you get more specific than a 50% decrease in permits to drill on gov't lands?

 

[Sean]

Lets deal with one.

Gov't regulation is closing hundreds of coal fired plants, killing their jobs, along with with jobs of the suppliers and service related jobs.

The US coal industry employs more people now than it has done in decades.

 

[Sean]

How do you get more specific than a 50% decrease in permits to drill on gov't lands?

US oil production is the highest that it has been in decades.

 

[mercury14]

Lets deal with one.

Gov't regulation is closing hundreds of coal fired plants, killing their jobs, along with with jobs of the suppliers and service related jobs.

Okay fair enough. But let's look at some of the facts here.

- No plants are being closed by the government. That's just a lie.

- Only very old plants fail to meet pollution standards.

- The companies running these plants have had two decades to make upgrades. Some have chosen to do so, while others have decided to close their old plants.

- New natural gas plants are taking their place, providing jobs that cancel out much of the losses.

- Many old coal plants that conservatives are counting as "being closed" are just temporarily closing to switch to natural gas.

- We all get a health benefit (and cash benefit) when there's less shit in the air and less mercury, bad chromium, and other heavy metals in the soil and water. Do you know why pregnant women are instructed not to eat tuna? It's because coal plants have poisoned the food supply that fish are a health risk.

- We're still going to have the same amount of power plants and the same amount of power plant jobs. Even more as time goes on.


I don't doubt that there are regional coal-related job losses when there's less demand for coal. But you have to consider the whole equation. When demand for one type of power decreases and demand for another increases, you have to calculate the impact of both of those elements.