What happened to all of the doom and gloom economic threads?

[garbage can]

1) 5) The coal industry was not killed. It's still there and it's always going to be there. And as coal jobs decrease we're seeing a corresponding increase in jobs involving other types of energy. .

Coal fired energy jobs are being killed. Spin it any way you want.

 

[mercury14]

He postponed it, which creates an atmosphere of not wanting to create jobs.

No it doesn't.

Did Obama pass a stimulus? That created 1 million to 4 million jobs at a critical time depending on which economics firm you ask. That's just a little more than 5-6k temporary pipe jobs.

The democrats have had a highway/infrastructure jobs bill ready to roll for over a year now. It's all work we have to do anyway and it's chock full of the exact kind of shovel-ready jobs Republicans have always supported. But the GOP house refuses to hold a vote on it because they don't want to help America when Obama is around.

 

[Disgustipated]

Coal fired energy jobs are being killed. Spin it any way you want.

Like Sean said; there are more people employed in the coal industry now than any time in history.

Spin that, dumb dumb.

 

[koalabear]

Shovel ready natural gas plants.

 

[mercury14]

Coal fired energy jobs are being killed. Spin it any way you want.

How much if it is because of regulations and how much is because using natural gas is a cheaper and better fuel that the free market is increasingly choosing?

 

[Sean]

Coal fired energy jobs are being killed. Spin it any way you want.

Average Coal Mining Employment (MSHA) 2004 108,734 2011 142,263

http://www.nma.org/pdf/c_most_requested.pdf

 

[JohnnySavage]

Like Sean said; there are more people employed in the coal industry now than any time in history.

Spin that, dumb dumb.

Growing up in coal country in the 70s, I remember when the Japanese bought up all the mines and automated them. A typical coal mine went from about 200 people, mostly underground, to about 20 people, mostly above ground.

The Japanese mined coal in W.Va., iron ore in Michigan, shipped it to Japan, made steel, shipped the steel back here, and sold it for cheaper than it was being produced in Pittsburgh.


I guess that really has nothing to do with the current discussion though.

But I'm sure you will agree that it was an interesting post.

 

[Disgustipated]

Growing up in coal country in the 70s, I remember when the Japanese bought up all the mines and automated them. A typical coal mine went from about 200 people, mostly underground, to about 20 people, mostly above ground.

The Japanese mined coal in W.Va., iron ore in Michigan, shipped it to Japan, made steel, shipped the steel back here, and sold it for cheaper than it was being produced in Pittsburgh.


I guess that really has nothing to do with the current discussion though.

But I'm sure you will agree that it was an interesting post.

Hence why my people migrated from P-Town to SoCal in '78.

 

[koalabear]

There are approximately 174,000 blue-collar, full-time, permanent jobs related to coal in the U.S.: mining (83,000), transportation (31,000), and power plant employment (60,000).

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Coal_and_jobs_in_the_United_States

In the United States, the increase in technology has significantly decreased the mining workforce from 335,000 coal miners working at 7,200 mines fifty years ago to 104,824 miners working in fewer than 2,000 mines today.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coal_mining


Pick a source, fewer miners. Technology.

 

[garbage can]

Coal is being sold to China

No-one seems to know the difference between coal mining and coal fired power plants.

My original post was.....Obama has not created an atmosphere (in terms of jobs) for a positive recovery.

Merc and others disagree.

I stand by my original post.

 

[mercury14]

Coal is being sold to China

No-one seems to know the difference between coal mining and coal fired power plants.

My original post was.....Obama has not created an atmosphere (in terms of jobs) for a positive recovery.

Merc and others disagree.

I stand by my original post.

Why to people in W.Va care who their coal is being sold to as long as they're keeping their jobs?

You're just repeating a Karl Rove talking point and not backing it up. Even in the face of facts that you can't refute you're sticking to your original point...

 

[Sean]

Coal is being sold to China

No-one seems to know the difference between coal mining and coal fired power plants.

My original post was.....Obama has not created an atmosphere (in terms of jobs) for a positive recovery.

Merc and others disagree.

I stand by my original post.

Obama is responsible for the cheap price of natural gas?

 

[richard_daily]

Coal fired energy jobs are being killed. Spin it any way you want.

You are correct. The free market is killing coal jobs. What should we do about it?

 

[garbage can]

How much if it is because of regulations and how much is because using natural gas is a cheaper and better fuel that the free market is increasingly choosing?

Natural gas can only be cheaper when the cleaning restrictions of coal powered energy plants makes it not profitable. The EPA is helping that along.

 

[Sean]

Natural gas can only be cheaper when the cleaning restrictions of coal powered energy plants makes it not profitable. The EPA is helping that along.

Natural gas is cheaper to produce because the end user has higher overheads?

 

[Disgustipated]

Natural gas can only be cheaper when the cleaning restrictions of coal powered energy plants makes it not profitable. The EPA is helping that along.

The EPA was created by the wingnuts you so worship, dumbfuck.

 

[JohnnySavage]

Hence why my people migrated from P-Town to SoCal in '78.

"Hence why" is grammatically incorrect.

 

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[JohnnySavage]

Keep those reigns tight. Once you take the pressure off, they will revert right back to old behaviours.

I just try to set a certain floor for the intellectual discourse here.

 

[Disgustipated]

"Hence why" is grammatically incorrect.

I figured as much. Hence why because public education.

 

[unregistered]

 

[garbage can]

Why to people in W.Va care who their coal is being sold to as long as they're keeping their jobs?

You're just repeating a Karl Rove talking point and not backing it up. Even in the face of facts that you can't refute you're sticking to your original point...

...I was talking about coal fired power plants....

 

[Sean]

...I was talking about coal fired power plants....

Your exact words were "Killing the coal industry".

 

[mercury14]

Natural gas can only be cheaper when the cleaning restrictions of coal powered energy plants makes it not profitable. The EPA is helping that along.

The price of natural gas is about 1/3 of what it was five years ago and there's going to be a crap ton more of it flooding the market due to the fracking boom. That's why it's cheaper.

 

[richard_daily]

The price of natural gas is about 1/3 of what it was five years ago and there's going to be a crap ton more of it flooding the market due to the fracking boom. That's why it's cheaper.

He hates the free market.