WH to screw National Guard out of benefits - what an ass

[nerfvibrator]

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/05/19/national-guard-coronavirus-267514

 

[FlowersForFun]

Deployments LOL....

 

[HisArpy]

"They're screwing the National Guard out of benefits!!!!!!"

Except the time served is cumulative and all it takes is 90 days per year to get those benefits. The current CV19 deployment is set to end at 89 days., ANY other deployment this year over 1 day will qualify the guard for the benefits that the OP seems to think they're being denied. AND, in any case, after 20 years they get the benefits anyway.

 

[FlowersForFun]

"They're screwing the National Guard out of benefits!!!!!!"

Except the time served is cumulative and all it takes is 90 days per year to get those benefits. The current CV19 deployment is set to end at 89 days., ANY other deployment this year over 1 day will qualify the guard for the benefits that the OP seems to think they're being denied. AND, in any case, after 20 years they get the benefits anyway.

Anything for a reason to scream "ORANGE MAN BAD!!!" and they'll take it no matter how fucking retarded they keep making themselves look.

 

[HisArpy]

Anything for a reason to scream "ORANGE MAN BAD!!!" and they'll take it no matter how fucking retarded they keep making themselves look.

I think the worst part is that they actually believe the crap they spew.

 

[Comshaw]

"They're screwing the National Guard out of benefits!!!!!!"

Except the time served is cumulative and all it takes is 90 days per year to get those benefits. The current CV19 deployment is set to end at 89 days., ANY other deployment this year over 1 day will qualify the guard for the benefits that the OP seems to think they're being denied. AND, in any case, after 20 years they get the benefits anyway.

After serving 7 years in the National Guard I can say without hesitation, you are wrong. It takes 90 days of cumulative FEDERAL deployment to qualify for those benefits. The weekend drills and two week summer training, or any call up by the state, do not go toward that total. Under normal circumstances the Guard is under the control of the state and are not considered part of the federal military. The federal government can activate them for duty when needed and when they do they are under the same laws, rules and regulations as the active military. That's where the 90 day cut off comes from. Any person serving in the active military for 90 days or more are eligible for the benefits offered.

You are correct that after 20 years of service they receive some of the benefits, but not all that active duty retires receive.

So yea, the Trump administration, whether they choose the 89 day cut off of deployment for that express purpose or not, screwed the troops on this one, big time.

Comshaw

 

[icanhelp1]

After serving 7 years in the National Guard I can say without hesitation, you are wrong. It takes 90 days of cumulative FEDERAL deployment to qualify for those benefits. The weekend drills and two week summer training, or any call up by the state, do not go toward that total. Under normal circumstances the Guard is under the control of the state and are not considered part of the federal military. The federal government can activate them for duty when needed and when they do they are under the same laws, rules and regulations as the active military. That's where the 90 day cut off comes from. Any person serving in the active military for 90 days or more are eligible for the benefits offered.

You are correct that after 20 years of service they receive some of the benefits, but not all that active duty retires receive.

So yea, the Trump administration, whether they choose the 89 day cut off of deployment for that express purpose or not, screwed the troops on this one, big time.

Comshaw

If I were a betting man I would bet that more than 50% of that 40,000 have done active duty rotations either in Iraq or Afghanistan or have active duty time and wanted to stay in the military but not in active status and transferred to the guard, either way they already earned VA bennies and Vet status.

 

[HisArpy]

After serving 7 years in the National Guard I can say without hesitation, you are wrong. It takes 90 days of cumulative FEDERAL deployment to qualify for those benefits. The weekend drills and two week summer training, or any call up by the state, do not go toward that total. Under normal circumstances the Guard is under the control of the state and are not considered part of the federal military. The federal government can activate them for duty when needed and when they do they are under the same laws, rules and regulations as the active military. That's where the 90 day cut off comes from. Any person serving in the active military for 90 days or more are eligible for the benefits offered.

You are correct that after 20 years of service they receive some of the benefits, but not all that active duty retires receive.

So yea, the Trump administration, whether they choose the 89 day cut off of deployment for that express purpose or not, screwed the troops on this one, big time.

Comshaw

Is there a guarantee anywhere that the guard will EVER be called to Federal duty? Under such a guarantee is there some sort of obligation that when the guard is called for Federal duty, that they will get at least 90 days of service time?

Well?

 

[Comshaw]

Is there a guarantee anywhere that the guard will EVER be called to Federal duty? Under such a guarantee is there some sort of obligation that when the guard is called for Federal duty, that they will get at least 90 days of service time?

Well?

I might not have made myself clear and for that I apologize. I think I said, or implied it was cumulative. It is if the federal deployments happen in the same year. Otherwise It has to be a consecutive 90 deployment to count.

And to address your last question, no there is no guarantee they will get 90 days of active duty. But that was never the issue. The issue was the 89 day cut off of deployment and whether or not it was done deliberately to keep those troops from aquring the benefits, or if it was an over sight. It seems a might suspicious that they choose not 80 or 75 or 60, but 89 days, one day short of qualifying for the benefits, to end the deployment don't you think?

Comshaw

 

[icanhelp1]

Is there a guarantee anywhere that the guard will EVER be called to Federal duty? Under such a guarantee is there some sort of obligation that when the guard is called for Federal duty, that they will get at least 90 days of service time?

Well?

The Guard was put on fed title 32 orders to absorb the cost and not bankrupt the states leaving the force under the command of the governors.

 

[Carnal_Flower]

And how is that relevant?

If there is no "obligation" that they will get 90 days of service time, you are then left with the fact that Trump has chosen not to let them get benefits by one stinkin' day.

What's your defense of that?

Is there a guarantee anywhere that the guard will EVER be called to Federal duty? Under such a guarantee is there some sort of obligation that when the guard is called for Federal duty, that they will get at least 90 days of service time?

Well?

 

[icanhelp1]

I might not have made myself clear and for that I apologize. I think I said, or implied it was cumulative. It is if the federal deployments happen in the same year. Otherwise It has to be a consecutive 90 deployment to count.

Comshaw

I believe it's 180 consecutive federal status days.

 

[icanhelp1]

And how is that relevant?

If there is no "obligation" that they will get 90 days of service time, you are then left with the fact that Trump has chosen not to let them get benefits by one stinkin' day.

What's your defense of that?

More ORANGE MAN BAD!!

 

[HisArpy]

And how is that relevant?

If there is no "obligation" that they will get 90 days of service time, you are then left with the fact that Trump has chosen not to let them get benefits by one stinkin' day.

What's your defense of that?

My defense of that is that there is NO GUARANTEE. They get what they get and if it doesn't meet the minimum requirements, that's tough.

Here's the big question you're not seeing... HOW are they being "screwed out of" benefits they don't have and aren't guaranteed to get?

 

[HisArpy]

I might not have made myself clear and for that I apologize. I think I said, or implied it was cumulative. It is if the federal deployments happen in the same year. Otherwise It has to be a consecutive 90 deployment to count.

And to address your last question, no there is no guarantee they will get 90 days of active duty. But that was never the issue. The issue was the 89 day cut off of deployment and whether or not it was done deliberately to keep those troops from aquring the benefits, or if it was an over sight. It seems a might suspicious that they choose not 80 or 75 or 60, but 89 days, one day short of qualifying for the benefits, to end the deployment don't you think?

Comshaw

The President is CinC of the military and National Guard when called up. His decisions regarding the military/guard are his decisions. WHY he is making those decisions is irrelevant.

Even if the decisions were done out of spite, there is zero room to question them.

 

[Carnal_Flower]

You are still evading the moral question.

No one's saying he doesn't have a right to do it according to the rules. Why would he do it from a moral and human perspective. He's always bragging about how great he treats the military and vets. He's supposed to be on the side of the 'forgotten' man. Yet when given the choice, he chose to deny them benefits by one stinkin' day.

Sane people know Trump's blather about being on the side of the "people" is bullshit. And you can't defend it.

My defense of that is that there is NO GUARANTEE. They get what they get and if it doesn't meet the minimum requirements, that's tough.

Here's the big question you're not seeing... HOW are they being "screwed out of" benefits they don't have and aren't guaranteed to get?

 

[KeithD]

The board Trumpettes will defend any and all despicable acts by Tweety Bird. Even when what he does hurts them personally. They are that stupid.

 

[Comshaw]

The President is CinC of the military and National Guard when called up. His decisions regarding the military/guard are his decisions. WHY he is making those decisions is irrelevant.

Even if the decisions were done out of spite, there is zero room to question them.

While it is the presidents right to do this, doing so for spite does not show much decorum and character from our leader does it?

And the last sentence is utter Bullshit. It is every citizens right and responsibility to question actions of our elected officials; there is EVERY reason to question what they do that effects us as a nation. What you're saying is we're suppose to keep our mouth shut and just let the Donald do what he wants? That's the stupidest defense of an action I've heard. Would you do the same for a Democratic president? And if not why expect others to do it for the Donald? No elected official, from the dog catcher to the president, is immune from the questioning of the citizenry and is answerable, by law or election, to the people. for 8 years the Tea Party and the ultra conservative right questioned the Obama administration about every little detail, as was their right. It isn't any different with the Donald. To hold him under rules you refuse to apply to others is deceitful and dishonest in the extreme.

Comshaw

 

[icanhelp1]

You are still evading the moral question.

No one's saying he doesn't have a right to do it according to the rules. Why would he do it from a moral and human perspective. He's always bragging about how great he treats the military and vets. He's supposed to be on the side of the 'forgotten' man. Yet when given the choice, he chose to deny them benefits by one stinkin' day.

Sane people know Trump's blather about being on the side of the "people" is bullshit. And you can't defend it.

More virtue signaling, it's not a moral issue it's a cost issue.

 

[Carnal_Flower]

I love how the Cultists cry and scream about the SWAMP and how bad GUBMINT is and the DEEP STATE, but when it behooves them, they will cling to any niggling little bureaucratic rule as if it's sacred as long as it allows them to defend Dear Leader

 

[HisArpy]

While it is the presidents right to do this, doing so for spite does not show much decorum and character from our leader does it?

And the last sentence is utter Bullshit. It is every citizens right and responsibility to question actions of our elected officials; there is EVERY reason to question what they do that effects us as a nation. What you're saying is we're suppose to keep our mouth shut and just let the Donald do what he wants? That's the stupidest defense of an action I've heard. Would you do the same for a Democratic president? And if not why expect others to do it for the Donald? No elected official, from the dog catcher to the president, is immune from the questioning of the citizenry and is answerable, by law or election, to the people. for 8 years the Tea Party and the ultra conservative right questioned the Obama administration about every little detail, as was their right. It isn't any different with the Donald. To hold him under rules you refuse to apply to others is deceitful and dishonest in the extreme.

Comshaw

This is bullshit.

The CinC doesn't answer to anyone for his military decisions. He can't even be impeached for them because it's SOLELY his authority under the Constitution.

You can bitch about it, but the reality is, your bitching means nothing. If the CinC decides that 89 days is sufficient, then it is. If that means that the Guard doesn't get what YOU think it should get, that's just too bad. You aren't the CinC.

 

[HisArpy]

I love how the Cultists cry and scream about the SWAMP and how bad GUBMINT is and the DEEP STATE, but when it behooves them, they will cling to any niggling little bureaucratic rule as if it's sacred as long as it allows them to defend Dear Leader

When your argument fails because facts aren't on your side, blaming someone else for your own failures of fact and logic isn't a winning strategy. It just makes you look even more foolish,

 

[MartinHeidegger]

Sieg heil!

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[RobDownSouth]

Anything for a reason to scream "ORANGE MAN BAD!!!" and they'll take it no matter how fucking retarded they keep making themselves look.

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[HisArpy]

Sieg heil!

Godwin's Law. You should look it up.