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[lost5pints]

Ok....not a how to at all......but seeing as i only troll in HT and HT cafe i thought i would bring my rant for all of you to blast or enjoy......


When did us human beings become such whiney little bitches......its all bitch bitch bitch moan moan moan......I'm not happy......WOO with me......It is really starting to bug the shit out of me.....

Yes yes i do believe that there is such a thing as depression......but I think in my own humble non professional opinion that the majority of cases are caused by the sufferer's delusions of what adult life is supposed to be.....to much self brain washing from assimilating the crap on Cosby's and Full house and the other pieces of FICTION coming out of hollywood......

We are living longer now on average than we have throughout the extent of written history.....but we are more miserable than a good portion of peasant families during the plague......well maybe thats being a little free with the adjectives but i think you get my statement.....

I am in no way saying that the ways that people in the pasts methods of dealing with life were that much better but somethings got to give......in our grand parents day there were only a few options for a person......especially men....you could either handle your responsibilities to take care of your family.....drown your sorrows in alcohol......often with still handeling your tasks......or you wound up killing yourself.......not all that pleasant of a collection of options but that was a common norm for people who were raised through the great depression and WWII.....and not to mention for 3 and 1/2 billion or more people living in the modern third world


Unfortunatly we have become so selfish in our thinking that we dont embrace some of the simple things in life that grant contentment......now there is a goal.....for me My family grants me my contentment and peace that makes life wonderfull......am I happy all the time.....hell no.....but happiness is an emotion not a logical state of mind.....Come on we have all seen the perpetually chipper person and wondered what drugs are they on or if they somehow avoided being institutionalized......

In the past people saught community and family for happiness because life sucks.....even with all the luxurys we enjoy in general life sucks.....we just have more time to dwell on it because we aspire to work only half of our waking hours rather than 85 percent of them......

Hell even all this politically-correctness bullshit can be tied to people being so self centered that anything that could possibly distort the happy little Rated PG bubble they try and attain must be wrong......instead of just realizing that its just words or actions caused by an asshole and carrying on with what they were doing.....

ok.....stepping off the soapbox for now and hope for some good dialog......and if i offended you please just refer to the last sentance in my string of rants......goodnight....time for bed.....L5P's

 

[EJFan]

i'm inclined to agree with you but i can't deny that there are plenty of legitimate cases of depression. those that aren't truly hinder the validity of the actual sufferers. i know one or two of each and have deep empathy (and admiration) for truly depressed people.

the issue of being sheltered and self centered is real. people don't challenge themselves enough... they consequently have no foundation or self esteem... they develop this state of mind, see an ad on tv and go med-hunting... very sad.

all this is just so detrimental to the disorder and its legitimate victims.

 

[rcuhljr]

Did someone just try to blame depression on the cosby show and full house?

 

[Guest]

 

[EJFan]

Though there is a lot for me to learn about depression, I believe depression is a mental state caused by physical conditions, for instance a chemical imbalance. While I'll agree that trying to attain unreal expectations could make depression worse, I do not believe it is the root of the problem.

There is a HUGE difference between being down and being depressed, at least in my mind.

i completely agree with you. the bad thing is that many people, when they feel "down" take it as depression and some physicians are all too happy to oblige them and prescribe some happy pills. i don't imagine there are very many instances of these kinds of patients or doctors (don't assume i'm thinking it's epidemic) but it happens and, as i said before, it truly undercuts the seriousness with which we approach the legitimate condition. people like the ones i'm describing actually lead many of us to draw erroneous conclusions about depression.

 

[TBKahuna123]

This the other thing that L5P is missing is that one of the reasons people gravitate toward this particular forum is because it's a place where they can get help with their problems. People have problems in their lives and they wnt answers. If you frequent a place like this you will see a lot of this, it's just the nature of the beast.

Scaly brought up a good point though, a lot of people who are down claimt o be depressed. It's almost an in fashion thing to have to see a therapist i some circles, and I think it really makes light of those people who firght REAL depression. Clinical depression is as he said, all consuming, and it can completely shut a person down. I get bummed out all the time,b ut I rarely feel what I would call depressed. Still, there's a difference there too, between feeling depressed and having clinical depression.

I don't think that's really what L5P was trying to say though. He's saying that we whine about everything, when realy our lives are pretty easy. That's true I think, hell I catch myself doing it all the time. The difference is that I know how fortunate I am, so I try not to complain about certain things when I'm with certain people. For example, my friend who is unemployed and struggling to feed his kids probably doesn't want to hear about I'm trying to find enough money to pay for my hockey season tickets.

That too is a selfish view though. You've heard the quip more money, more problems? It's true. Sure I've got it better than a lot of people, and to them my problems may seem petty, but I've earned what I've got including those problems. To me those problems are important, because that's what's not perfect in my life. Should I sit back and say sure I'm lonely, sure my wife and I fight all the time or sure she doesn't cum from penetration alone, but at least we can eat? To me that's a defeatist attitude.

If something isn't perfec tin your life, try to fix it. To not try and better your life and your self it to me only a path to stagnation. Seeing something that's wrong and trying to fix it isn't necessarily whining, it's wanting to make things better. It's only selfish and whiney when we start claiming that our problems are worse than someone else's. Now THAT is an attitude that I DO see too often in our society.

 

[silverwhisper]

l5pts, i don't know you. i don't know what kind of life you lead beyond what's in your profile. so i won't judge.

yes, civilization has advanced to the point where on average, we live longer and better than humanity has in the past. this is pretty damned cool. and yeah, it's something we should celebrate.

but that doesn't change the fact that people do have problems, chemical imbalances, personal tragedies--hell, my wife's childhood friend lost both her parents in an 8 month span in the months leading up to her wedding.

so to blame depression on selfishness in the majority of cases just strikes me as goofy. if i was feeling mean-spirited, i'd call it something else but since i don't really know you, i don't think that's appropriate.

yes, there may be cases where depression is over-diagnosed. statistically, that's probably unavoidable. but to dismiss it wholesale as you appear to requires IMV no small degree of selfishness as well.

ed

 

[EJFan]

yes, civilization has advanced to the point where on average, we live longer and better than humanity has in the past. this is pretty damned cool. and yeah, it's something we should celebrate.

ed

just don't celebrate too much... some studies are showing that the current generation may be the first to NOT outlive its parents.

 

[lost5pints]

I'm sorry L5P's, but I cannot agree with you. While I don't suffer from depression, my wife does, and so does one of my kids.

Though there is a lot for me to learn about depression, I believe depression is a mental state caused by physical conditions, for instance a chemical imbalance. While I'll agree that trying to attain unreal expectations could make depression worse, I do not believe it is the root of the problem.

There is a HUGE difference between being down and being depressed, at least in my mind. Though I sometimes get down, I can't really say I ever get depressed. But I have seen real depression in my wife and in my son. It's not a pleasant thing to live with, but it's real. Unless you have it or live with someone that does, it's hard to understand how consuming depression can be.

One of my other kids is the complete opposite....he was born with a smile on his face. We have shelves and shelves of picture albums and totes full of loose pictures, and I'd be willing to bet there is not even one picture of him in which he is not smiling.

L5P's, please research this condition and reconsider your view.

like i said....i Believe in depression.....it is a real problem that exists for a large number of people......and i do believe that chemical inbalances are the primary cause.....My issue is that the majority of persons who are whining instead of trying to better their lives....and the lives of those around them......My wife was fighting with depression for years.....and she has an anxioty disorder......and she has been unmedicated for 3 years....and the primary thing that has helped her is changing her outlook on life.....most of her problems came from unhealthy relationships that she got involved with in work and friends....

This the other thing that L5P is missing is that one of the reasons people gravitate toward this particular forum is because it's a place where they can get help with their problems. People have problems in their lives and they wnt answers. If you frequent a place like this you will see a lot of this, it's just the nature of the beast.

Scaly brought up a good point though, a lot of people who are down claimt o be depressed. It's almost an in fashion thing to have to see a therapist i some circles, and I think it really makes light of those people who firght REAL depression. Clinical depression is as he said, all consuming, and it can completely shut a person down. I get bummed out all the time,b ut I rarely feel what I would call depressed. Still, there's a difference there too, between feeling depressed and having clinical depression.

I don't think that's really what L5P was trying to say though. He's saying that we whine about everything, when realy our lives are pretty easy. That's true I think, hell I catch myself doing it all the time. The difference is that I know how fortunate I am, so I try not to complain about certain things when I'm with certain people. For example, my friend who is unemployed and struggling to feed his kids probably doesn't want to hear about I'm trying to find enough money to pay for my hockey season tickets.

That too is a selfish view though. You've heard the quip more money, more problems? It's true. Sure I've got it better than a lot of people, and to them my problems may seem petty, but I've earned what I've got including those problems. To me those problems are important, because that's what's not perfect in my life. Should I sit back and say sure I'm lonely, sure my wife and I fight all the time or sure she doesn't cum from penetration alone, but at least we can eat? To me that's a defeatist attitude.

If something isn't perfec tin your life, try to fix it. To not try and better your life and your self it to me only a path to stagnation. Seeing something that's wrong and trying to fix it isn't necessarily whining, it's wanting to make things better. It's only selfish and whiney when we start claiming that our problems are worse than someone else's. Now THAT is an attitude that I DO see too often in our society.

Bingo....you hit what i was talking about on the nail.....I have always tryed to be constructive and helpfull with my posts and with my dealings with my coworkers.....i am just voicing my frustration and an attitude that has become so prevelant.....after being in the middle east and seeing the indian and bangledeshi workers who work their butts of for about 300 dollars a month....living in a 1 bedroom apartment with 9 other ppl and sending most of their money back to their wives so that they can live a better life than they could working in their home country.....and only going home for maybe 2 weeks every 2-3 years.....unless there is a death or birth in the family....we have it good and we all take it for granted......


bingo more points for kahuna.....

l5pts, i don't know you. i don't know what kind of life you lead beyond what's in your profile. so i won't judge.

yes, civilization has advanced to the point where on average, we live longer and better than humanity has in the past. this is pretty damned cool. and yeah, it's something we should celebrate.

but that doesn't change the fact that people do have problems, chemical imbalances, personal tragedies--hell, my wife's childhood friend lost both her parents in an 8 month span in the months leading up to her wedding.

so to blame depression on selfishness in the majority of cases just strikes me as goofy. if i was feeling mean-spirited, i'd call it something else but since i don't really know you, i don't think that's appropriate.

yes, there may be cases where depression is over-diagnosed. statistically, that's probably unavoidable. but to dismiss it wholesale as you appear to requires IMV no small degree of selfishness as well.

ed

Yes there is imbalances and tradgedies......that is the exception rather than the norm......i did not intend to imply that depression was caused buy selfishness...just stating that people are in general deluding themselves with some pretty un attainable standards.....



i will post more later.....got to take the kid to his t ball game

 

[5pintshefound]

ok, so l5p's is my hubby... and dont mistake this as a silly woman standing up for her husband... but....

personally i agree with him. yes, he might have been able to write his thoughts a bit better..

Too many times have we seen people whining because they dont like this, or they dont like that... and yet they dont do anything to change their lives.. in general, it seems to me that we, as a people, or maybe just americans/europeans {as compared to middleeastern, indian, of filipino} have gotten to lazy.
people whining because they dont want to work, or at least not hard.. people who skate out of work early... people who do what EVER they have to, be it lie cheat or steal, just so they can avoid an honest days work, OR an honest dollar.

i know of many people that get diagnosed depressed, where, if they would take the initiative and try to better themselves or their situation, theymight not NEED that type of medication. to my consideration, those are people that are maybe misdiagnosed...

i have more to write about all this, but if i do now, ill bel ate to my kids tball game... and we cant have that!

~5PHF

 

[Little Bird]

When did us human beings become such whiney little bitches......its all bitch bitch bitch moan moan moan......I'm not happy......WOO with me......It is really starting to bug the shit out of me.....

Are you german? You really sound like from around here...

Always the germans have been known everywhere in the world to be efficient and follow orders without any complain. It was much to true and the result was, that the germans forgot what it is to be responsible for anything. Anything they did was ordered by someone above them. After causing terrible harm with it, we changed in the last 60 years into probably the only people in the world, that is not patriotic and that never follows any order.
But since everyones seems to have forgotten what it is to be responsible some 400 years ago, they need someone else who is responsible for anything they don't like. If they cannot find one, they take just the next best that comes to their mind. Everyone is guilty, except oneself! Everyone has to change, except oneself.
It does not really matter, that we live here in probably one of the four countries where people live better than everywhere else. As long as there is only one man in the world, who is more richer than we are, we are having a miserable live.
And everyone is guilty of it...
Except me...

 

[silverwhisper]

l5pts quoth
just stating that people are in general deluding themselves with some pretty un attainable standards.

ah! OK, w/ that part, i can definitely agree. :>

o, and hope the game went well, guys. :>

ed

 

[lost5pints]

ah! OK, w/ that part, i can definitely agree. :>

o, and hope the game went well, guys. :>

ed

hey Ed... see, like i said, i think he could have written his thoughts out a little better-- but thats ok!


the game was really cute... its 4-6 yo's playing tball.... everyone gets RBI's etc... there no real score kept... its really cute... {hehe as the proud mama i am, if youd like to see a few cute pictures, pm me, and ill send you the link }



~5PHF

 

[Lightheart]

My best friend has some sort of anxiety disorder, he'll get really down on himself about something and can't seem to get out of it. Now he's taking a medication to help prevent those lows. He also bought a couple of pet rats to give him something to invest emotionally in -- as opposed to any of his many short-lived relationships. I've noticed the combination has really helped him get back on an even keel.

Another friend's fiance has serious panic attack issues. I've been there for one, and it's a Very Bad Thing.

 

[jerseyman1963]

It seems like the issue of what L5P was trying to say worked itself out, but I wanted to say that I didn't read his post as having anything to do with depression as a disease. I've been there myself and I didn't get that from L5P. I read it as wondering when the human race, or at least the human race in the developed world, became so self centered, spoiled, and thankless.

I don't know when it happened, but I see it every day too. It's unbelievable to me. We have so much to be thankful for, and yet nobody seems happy about it, or seems to ever be happy or satisfied with what they've got.

Compare 100 years ago to now? Are we better off? Well, for starters, most of us don't have to use outhouses, and that's just the start of the improvements. Compare where we live to where we could be living (Darfur, Sudan, Iraq) and the geographic location and the advantages thereof generally compare favorably.

And yet, nobody ever seems happy with what they've got. Moral decay brought on by the mindless, soul-less crap on TV? Ethical decay because we want a leader to bind us together over something more uplifting than tax cuts? Spiritual decay because some (not all) organized religion is caught up in scandal and often seems more interested in perpetuating its institutional status? (Note, I said "organized religion." Trying to draw a distinction there; I'm not condemining religion itself.)

National Public Radio is doing a story as I type this about how American Idol drew more voters last night than the last Presidential election in the US. What does THAT say about how vacuous and apathetic we've become? American Idol is a glorified karaoke show, for cying out loud! They're not even singing original material!!!

My answer? Well, I don't know when it happened, that we got so "It's all about me," but my answer is that we each need to go out and be ambassadors for reaching out to each other and living a more fullfilling, interesting, caring life. Help the little guy for the sake of it. Hug someone so they were touched today. Be the kind of person who we all fete at an awards banquet for their humanitarianism -- but do it every day. Maybe someone else will notice and emulate you.

Wow! I really got on a rant there! It's just that I see it too, and it's a drag.

 

[silverwhisper]

L5PH: i think that a different thread title might have made it a bit easier to understand his meaning, personally but that's JMHO. :>

ed

 

[5pintshefound]

hey Ed... see, like i said, i think he could have written his thoughts out a little better-- but thats ok!


the game was really cute... its 4-6 yo's playing tball.... everyone gets RBI's etc... there no real score kept... its really cute... {hehe as the proud mama i am, if youd like to see a few cute pictures, pm me, and ill send you the link }



~5PHF

dang it... i just realized i posted yesterday on his name again.. grr... sorry guys... that was from me, not my SO... lol

 

[Eilan]

they develop this state of mind, see an ad on tv and go med-hunting... very sad.

This is a bit of a tangent, but all the so-called lifestyle drug commercials really piss me off. I read an article recently in which a doctor said a 65-year-old female patient of his came to an appointment asking if Cialis was right for her. She'd seen a commercial for it but somehow didn't realize that it was an ED drug.

Not to mention that all the advertising costs drive up the costs of the meds. I experienced this recently with my grandma. Her doctor put her on Procrit for a while. Procrit's one of those drugs that I'd seen a lot of commercials for before my grandma needed it--anemic chemo patients use it. This med is $1850 per shot, and my grandma needed one shot per week. Fortunately, her insurance covered most of it; she ended up paying a $30 per shot co-pay.

I couldn't help wondering, though, if the shot would be so expensive if there weren't so many damn commercials for it.

Sorry for the hijack, folks.

 

[EJFan]

I couldn't help wondering, though, if the shot would be so expensive if there weren't so many damn commercials for it.

it's like george carlin once said... the reason for most of these types of problems is that we have 96 flavors of jelly beans. we don't need that many flavors and all it does is create marketing trouble and sheeplike behavior of the masses.

on the flip side, however, (and no intention of associating this with your grandmother's situation) it's the lifestyle drugs that become the bread and butter revenue for the pharmaceutical companies. on some level it allows them to address low/zero-return treatments for actual disorders and illnesses.

there's an orphan drug act on the books that compels congress to fund manufacturing of drugs for rare diseases (situations where the drug manufacturers would lose money) but they don't fund it enough or even meet their requirements in many cases... at least that's how i understand it.

still, the pharmaceutical companies aren't hurting for money... and the stockholders (everyone with a retirement plan rooted in the market) should be happy that it's working to the degree it's working at i suppose.