UAW Strike - Tentative Deal Reached - Pending Vote

[butters]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/com...tp&cvid=e0b5d9e6026b4b20a318be86cc4b80fe&ei=4

Members of the United Auto Workers union have ratified new contracts with Detroit's Big Three automakers — General Motors, Ford and Stellantis — after a six-week strike that began on Sept. 15.

Voting officially ends Friday, but with most of the vote in, contracts at Ford and Stellantis have been approved by a wide margin, while the margin was narrower among GM workers. As of Friday morning, 67% of Ford workers have approved their new contract, 68% of Stellantis workers approved, and 55% of GM workers approved.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

It is driven by big business profit, i.e

No Capitalism is driven by the consumer. No consumer, there is no profit.

That is not to say big business doesn't have an influence, they do,but that is due to the wealth,and how they lobby. Of course companies that have huge amounts of workers can leverage that onto Government, Who wants to be the Government that caused ten thousand people to lose their job? So yes big business can influence, but they like any other company need the consumer to exist.

The economy should be made to serve the working class and middle class majority, not the billionaires.

Why? Government already plays a role in the Capitalistic system I don't want them playing in it anymore than they already do. If you're going to have a Capitalistic economy, you need to understand there will be winners and losers.

The only way to do that is through nationalization and workers' control of workplaces and of the commanding heights of the economy.

Sounds like Communism "lite".

We can't plan what we don't control, and we can't control what we don't own.

If you plan everything in your economy, you just lost out on innovation. I'll take the option with innovation, because the other smells of communism.

 

[RandyRebecca]

If you plan everything in your economy, you just lost out on innovation. I'll take the option with innovation, because the other smells of communism.

The "innovators" are not the rich ones today. The people who make, distribute and sell all the commodities in society are not the rich ones. Look at everything in the street, from the houses, to the buildings, to the workplaces, to the sidewalks, to the roads, to the electricity lines etc. They were all built by workers. How many of those workers are rich today?

Red scares are ridiculous, started by vile people like Woodrow Wilson and Joseph McCarthy. Franklin D. Roosevelt style politics scared the hell out of those types, let alone Eugene Debs politics.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

The "innovators" are not the rich ones today.

Hmmm so Zuckerbergs not rich? Bill Gates? They were the innovators, and guess what, they got rich....

The people who make, distribute and sell all the commodities in society are not the rich ones. Look at everything in the street, from the houses, to the buildings, to the workplaces, to the sidewalks, to the roads, to the electricity lines etc. They were all built by workers.

No shit, if you think you need to explain this to me, then leave the conversation

How many of those workers are rich today?

How many of them took the risk to put everything they own on the line? If they failed they'd be homeless and broke. It takes guts to become rich,( or you inherit it) 99.999% of the "workers don't take that risk.

Red scares are ridiculous, started by vile people like Woodrow Wilson and Joseph McCarthy. Franklin D. Roosevelt style politics scared the hell out of those types, let alone Eugene Debs politics.

I'm not the one promoting it, you are.

 

[RandyRebecca]

Hmmm so Zuckerbergs not rich? Bill Gates? They were the innovators, and guess what, they got rich....

They are a minority. And they get rich by exploiting workers' labor. How many computers get made, distributed and sold without workers?

 

[Fuzzy1975]

They are a minority. And they get rich by exploiting workers' labor. How many computers get made, distributed and sold without workers?

How many of them took the risk to put everything they own on the line? If they failed they'd be homeless and broke. It takes guts to become rich,( or you inherit it) 99.999% of the "workers don't take that risk.

You keep bringing up workers like the employers owe them something besides the wages they give the employees. The employers don't owe the employees fuck all besides the wages/benefits they have agreed on.

 

[RandyRebecca]

You keep bringing up workers like the employers owe them something besides the wages they give the employees. The employers don't owe the employees fuck all besides the wages/benefits they have agreed on.

No workers = no wealth

 

[Fuzzy1975]

No workers = no wealth

no employers= no worker

 

[RandyRebecca]

no employers= no worker

No. Not true at all. Workers' labor is workers' labor, and it makes everything in society function. They don't need a boss for that in the absolute sense. It's a question of who controls the commanding heights of the economy and the workplaces. Under capitalism, the big business class controls those things and corporate profit is the only thing that seriously drives the system, and increasingly in a short termist way. That's why capitalism will use AI to make workers' lives harder, and why that system will never solve climate change, because it doesn't make the billionaires more money compared to their oil profits. One side of the ruling class encourages climate change denial, and the other side of the ruling class wants to make ordinary people pay the price, rather than the richest, for "green technology". So in the long run under capitalism, we face either the collapse of human civilization, or getting further battered by austerity. What a choice!

 

[Fuzzy1975]

No. Not true at all. Workers' labor is workers' labor, and it makes everything in society function.

Oh so they work for free? Really,mine demanded money in exchange for their time doing tasks I assigned them to do.

They don't need a boss for that in the absolute sense.

Of course not,no Boss needed since they can just start their own business.

It's a question of who controls the commanding heights of the economy and the workplaces. Under capitalism, the big business class controls those things and corporate profit is the only thing that seriously drives the system, and increasingly in a short termist way.

Not true, in every country with developed economy ( read the G-20) the Government has it's fingers in the Economy nudging it the way it feels it needs to go.

That's why capitalism will use AI to make workers' lives harder, and why that system will never solve climate change, because it doesn't make the billionaires more money compared to their oil profits.

Sure go off and have a momentary hallucination. I'll patently wait while you come back to reality.

One side of the ruling class encourages climate change denial, and the other side of the ruling class wants to make ordinary people pay the price, rather than the richest, for "green technology".

Everyone pays for "green energy", just the same as everyone pays for "dirty energy'' there is no free ride. The difference is those with more cash can afford it.

So we face either the collapse of human civilization, or getting further battered by austerity. What a choice!

We're all going to die. Enjoy the ride, it's the only one you will ever get.

 

[RandyRebecca]

Oh so they work for free? Really,mine demanded money in exchange for their time doing tasks I assigned them to do.

Without workers' labor, there is no money, no wealth at all. Nothing in society moves without it.

Of course not,no Boss needed since they can just start their own business.

No workers to mass produce and transport valuable commodities = No business

Not true, in every country with developed economy ( read the G-20) the Government has it's fingers in the Economy nudging it the way it feels it needs to go.

Politicians are up to their eyeballs in links to big corporations, Hollywood, Wall Street and Silicon Valley. They serve big business capitalism and its exploitation of working class and middle class people.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

Without workers' labor, there is no money, no wealth at all. Nothing in society moves without it.

Have you ever been to a poor country? Say like a third world one like Sierra Leon? I thought not. Society still functions, and the average month wage is $5.00 USD.
Workers benefit, when companies are profitable, and they suffer when companies are not.

No workers to mass produce and transport valuable commodities = No business

Sorry but you have that backwards, no Business, no employed workers. This is true back to the beginning of organised society.

Politicians are up to their eyeballs in links to big corporations, Hollywood, Wall Street and Silicon Valley. They serve big business capitalism and its exploitation of working class and middle class people.

And you take another "trip". LSD? Psilocybin?

 

[ishtat]

GM relies to a very significant extent on Chinese made parts, complete Chinese cars being kept out of the US market by a 27% import tax. However, 2 days after the UAW voted to accept the new deal, GM announced very quietly that in addition to the very limited sale of Cadillac Lyrics, they are going to make EV pick ups in China. They will be Silverados and Colorados (not sure about that brand name) They say that these will be for the Asian RHD market Thailand, Japan, India, Oz- I doubt it, the Silverado is much too big for that market, except the tiny Oz segment. Can GM be trusted not to shift more of its manufacturing away from the US? Wait and see I guess.

 

[JohnEngelman]

More labor costs mean even higher prices. Or other cost cutting moves like robotics or outsourcing.

Or they could cut executive compensation and stock dividends. German and Japanese companies pay their CEO's and top executives much less than American companies, but German and Japanese auto companies produce good cars.

 

[butters]

Nov 20 (Reuters) - Nissan Motor will hike top wages for workers at U.S. manufacturing plants by 10% in January after the United Auto Workers union reached new contracts with the Detroit Three automakers, a company spokesperson said on Monday.

The Japanese automaker said the wage hike takes effect Jan. 8 for production technicians, maintenance, and tool & die technicians. Workers not yet at top scale will also receive increases in wages. About 9,000 U.S. workers in total will get pay hikes.

Nissan said it is also eliminating wage tiers for U.S. production workers. In recent weeks, Hyundai Motor, Toyota Motor and Honda Motor have all announced they would hike U.S. factory wages after the UAW contract and as the union says it will work to organize nonunion plants operated by foreign automakers and Tesla.

so much winning, even for those not in the union—they should be thanking the strikers for winning these changes they'd never have seen if not for the work and courage and hardships of union members

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/com...&cvid=98daebfea56c49dee22f88e79dd04f70&ei=117

 

[butters]

and now Volkswagen

Volkswagen of America has announced an 11% pay raise for Chattanooga assembly plant production workers.

The increase is effective starting in December and a compressed wage progression timeline begins in February.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/com...1&cvid=442a05c8e5784c1fd127e9b1690256c2&ei=75

 

[ll74]

and now Volkswagen


https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/com...1&cvid=442a05c8e5784c1fd127e9b1690256c2&ei=75

This is what happens when unions work for people......non union workers benefit.

Why are Republicans against unions?

 

[JohnEngelman]

This is what happens when unions work for people......non union workers benefit.

Why are Republicans against unions?

Republicans are against unions because Republicans are in favor of business executives and stock holders. They get less when employees get more.

 

[butters]

despite bill lee and another 5 southern repub govs' push to see the unionization fail, the vote was a resounding 'yes'.

GALLATIN, Tenn. (AP) — Tennessee Republican Gov. Bill Lee said Monday that he thinks workers at a Volkswagen plant in Chattanooga made a mistake by voting to unionize under the United Auto Workers in a landslide election but acknowledged the choice was ultimately up to them.

Ahead of the vote, Lee and five other Southern Republican governors spoke out publicly against the UAW's drive to organize workers at factories largely in the South, arguing that if autoworkers were to vote for union representation, it would jeopardize jobs.

Instead, the union wound up pulling 73% of the vote at a facility whose workers had narrowly rejected the union in 2019 and 2014. The Volkswagen plant vote was the first to follow a series of strikes last fall against Detroit’s automakers that resulted in lucrative new contracts. Workers at Mercedes factories near Tuscaloosa, Alabama, will vote on UAW representation in May.

6 governors, all anti-union, all trying to spread the fear, all basically told 'go fuck yourselves' by the workers. love it! lee seemed quite keen to keep things non-union; could be something to do with his own businesses (non-union and he wants to keep it that way) that employ some 1,600 people in the kind of jobs (construction, home and 'facilities' that could probably use union power to represent them.

President Biden congratulated the workers and condemned the governors' attempts at fearmongering. He went on to say:

“Let me be clear to the Republican governors that tried to undermine this vote: there is nothing to fear from American workers using their voice and their legal right to form a union if they so choose,” Biden said in a news release Friday.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...1&cvid=865f08317e0b4f37b321b06cdb3fa896&ei=21

 

[desecration]

6 governors, all anti-union, all trying to spread the fear, all basically told 'go fuck yourselves' by the workers.

The South has developed and maintained a manufacturing base by not being union. This is an attempt to raise costs across the board that will drive more manufacturing to China. They are the big winners here.

 

[butters]

 

[butters]

Sunday: Daimler and UAW reach tentative agreement affecting 7,000 workers in Daimler's North Carolina plant and their distribution centers in the South, averting a strike and with history-making components.

“I applaud the UAW and Daimler for reaching a tentative agreement for a record contract,” Biden said. “The UAW workers at Daimler are building the trucks and school buses of the future right here in America.”

UAW President Shawn Fain said the new contract includes wage increases of more than 25 percent over the next four years, including a 10 percent raise after the deal is ratified. Fain said the deal also includes the end of wage tiers at the company, as well as cost-of-living adjustments and “profit sharing for the first time in Daimler history.”

(in bold) that seems quite a thing, assuring the workers will be as keen to see the company making great profits as the owners

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/com...p&cvid=930b427bc9bb4e70ee14c3acbe7224ca&ei=40