UAW Strike - Tentative Deal Reached - Pending Vote

[ll74]

Yet another case of modern realities and old school industries butt heads.

Most expect a strike by midnight.

https://www.reuters.com/business/au...-remaining-reach-auto-labor-deals-2023-09-13/

I'm pro union

 

[ll74]

Not all workers will strike. And it looks like Ford has upped their offer to 20%.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/09/14/business/auto-workers-strike-deadline/index.html

UAW President Shawn Fain on Wednesday evening announced plans for those targeted strikes at any company that fails to reach a labor deal with the union before contracts expire at 11:59 pm Thursday. All 145,000 United Auto Workers at the companies will not strike on Friday. But there’s a good chance at least some of them, at a mix of plants and companies, will walk out.

 

[SubzeroGirl]

This makes the union look weak. Union strength is in numbers and if they don’t all strike at once, it’s a signal to the big three that they aren’t serious. Imagine if only certain destinations for a pilot strike or only a few major hubs of UPS were to strike. They were able to negotiate and get their demands met because all of them were willing to strike together. That’s the point of the word union.

 

[ll74]

This makes the union look weak. Union strength is in numbers and if they don’t all strike at once, it’s a signal to the big three that they aren’t serious. Imagine if only certain destinations for a pilot strike or only a few major hubs of UPS were to strike. They were able to negotiate and get their demands met because all of them were willing to strike together. That’s the point of the word union.

no it doesn't.

 

[SubzeroGirl]

Insightful

 

[ll74]

Insightful

They're targeting high impact factories as a negotiating tactic. They're trying to inflict proper pain while not completely crippling the industry.

It's a tactic.

 

[ll74]

For reference
https://fortune.com/2023/09/14/uaw-union-tactics-gm-ford-stellantis-strike-shawn-fain/

UAW will use tactics GM, Ford, Stellantis ‘have never seen before’ if deal not reached, says union leader​

 

[SubzeroGirl]

They're targeting high impact factories as a negotiating tactic. They're trying to inflict proper pain while not completely crippling the industry.

It's a tactic.

We’ll see if this is an effective tactic. The new offers are not close to what the union is demanding. UPS gave the Teamsters almost all of their demands. It helped because the mechanics and pilots would support their strike as well.

A strike should hurt. It’s how the ceo’s and shareholders know that the workers are the company. This is the nuclear option, not a slap in the face. I’m surprised you sit on the fence.

 

[ll74]

We’ll see if this is an effective tactic. The new offers are not close to what the union is demanding. UPS gave the Teamsters almost all of their demands. It helped because the mechanics and pilots would support their strike as well.

A strike should hurt. It’s how the ceo’s and shareholders know that the workers are the company. This is the nuclear option, not a slap in the face. I’m surprised you sit on the fence.

Obviously they disagree with how strikes work.

 

[SubzeroGirl]

Obviously they disagree with how strikes work.

Obviously the Teamsters understood that union means together.

 

[ll74]

Obviously the Teamsters understood that union means together.

You're free to run for Union leadership, if you feel the need

Your way or the teamsters way aren't the only ways.

 

[lovecraft68]

You're free to run for Union leadership, if you feel the need

Your way or the teamsters way aren't the only ways.

You snowflakes are always crying you want better pay, benefits, better work environment etc...
Unions ensure people get those things, but you're anti union....because you're told to be.

Dumbest lemming on the block

 

[jaF0]

They're just going to put themselves out of work.


Most working people can't afford new cars now. That's a big part of why used cars are so expensive.


More labor costs mean even higher prices. Or other cost cutting moves like robotics or outsourcing.

Soon there won't be workers on assembly lines.

 

[jaF0]

And really, couldn't they find someone whose name doesn't invoke thoughts of an Irish terror group?

 

[Sean Renaud]

They're just going to put themselves out of work.


Most working people can't afford new cars now. That's a big part of why used cars are so expensive.


More labor costs mean even higher prices. Or other cost cutting moves like robotics or outsourcing.

Soon there won't be workers on assembly lines.

IF that's what happens that's what happens. We honestly aren't too far from when we're going to need a guaranteed income, pushing that date forward is a win.

 

[ll74]

You snowflakes are always crying you want better pay, benefits, better work environment etc...
Unions ensure people get those things, but you're anti union....because you're told to be.

Dumbest lemming on the block

I'm pro union

 

[ll74]

They're just going to put themselves out of work.


Most working people can't afford new cars now. That's a big part of why used cars are so expensive.


More labor costs mean even higher prices. Or other cost cutting moves like robotics or outsourcing.

Soon there won't be workers on assembly lines.

So you don't like unions?

 

[SubzeroGirl]

You're free to run for Union leadership, if you feel the need

Your way or the teamsters way aren't the only ways.

That’s true. Every union is different, just as every industry is. The idea that a car manufacturing stoppage will kill the economy isn’t true. Especially in the short term. Dealers will likely welcome decreased inventory as a reason to increase prices. Also interest rates are so high a lot of consumers can’t afford a new car. Used cars are still in demand.

I have no desire to work for a union, but we’ll see how this plays out Friday morning. For the workers, I hope this gets them closer to what they want.

 

[jaF0]

I don't like greed.

The Writers have a case in fighting machine generated scripts and repeated reuse of machine generated backgrounds and 'extras'.

The auto workers seems to be about money only. That can hurt every one else.

 

[ll74]

I don't like greed.

The Writers have a case in fighting machine generated scripts and repeated reuse of machine generated backgrounds and 'extras'.

The auto workers seems to be about money only. That can hurt every one else.

I didn't ask if you didn't like greed. I asked if you didn't like unions.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2023/09/14/uaw-strike-demands-negotiations/

Pay is a big part.....as it is with most jobs...when pay doesn't keep pace with inflation, workers get screwed. Unions have always been primarily about pay and benefit guarantees. Worker conditions have been taken care of by federal laws, for the most part.

 

[Sean Renaud]

I don't like greed.

The Writers have a case in fighting machine generated scripts and repeated reuse of machine generated backgrounds and 'extras'.

The auto workers seems to be about money only. That can hurt every one else.

Considering our lives are money driven there is nothing wrong with this. Yes there is the risk of other people being hurt. The question while I know the answer is that's the power of media, why are you blaming the union for possibly hurting other people and not the CEOs. Some one did the math they made roughly 22b last year. IF they gave a 40% raise to all their workers they be down to a paltry 18b. Who is the greedy party?

 

[jaF0]

I blame the CEOs also. Of all companies.

But nobody wants to fight that. Perhaps if the Unions would fight to tie CEO pay to line worker pay.

Every time I hear of a utility, hospital, insurance company or retailer touting a price hike due to rising costs, I ask ... how much of a pay cut are the CEOs taking to offset those costs?

 

[Lazaran]

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Upper management gave themselves huge pay increases over the last several years, so it’s only right that workers get commensurate consideration and compensation.

This is an excellent article:

https://www.npr.org/2023/09/13/1198938942/high-ceo-pay-inequality-labor-union-uaw-workers

From the article:

"The Big Three CEOs saw their pay increase by 40% over the last four years, while our pay only went up by 6%," UAW President Shawn Fain said at a news conference last week.

Now if the bosses want to scale back their pay in an effort to get the workers to compromise somewhat on their demands…

 

[ll74]

I blame the CEOs also. Of all companies.

But nobody wants to fight that. Perhaps if the Unions would fight to tie CEO pay to line worker pay.

Every time I hear of a utility, hospital, insurance company or retailer touting a price hike due to rising costs, I ask ... how much of a pay cut are the CEOs taking to offset those costs?

When stock price a d ceo pay is valued over worker pay, that's the typical finish line.

I'd like to see insurance decoupled from employment. It should be government offered...that way it's not a benefit and companies can put the money saved towards worker guarantees.

 

[Sean Renaud]

I blame the CEOs also. Of all companies.

But nobody wants to fight that. Perhaps if the Unions would fight to tie CEO pay to line worker pay.

Every time I hear of a utility, hospital, insurance company or retailer touting a price hike due to rising costs, I ask ... how much of a pay cut are the CEOs taking to offset those costs?

That is literally what they are fighting for right now. CEOs got a 40% raise over the last few years they want one too. And that's them politely ignoring they made concessions during the '08 recession so that still wouldn't make them whole.