Tulsi Becomes an Independent

[ll74]

Two thoughts about this.
1-The hatred she now gets from the left and all of them calling her a Republican shows the truth about those tolerant libs and how they have no desire to ever work with anyone not drinking their kool aid.

2- Is the best thing that could happen out of this is it setting a trend. Imagine a house or senate that had even 15% independents in it. Not Bernie I say I'm indy but vote dem every time, but people who will actually vote based on the idea not the party. It would mean parties couldn't sit back and say, no matter what I have these X votes because you won't have them and the result will be having to come up with laws that have more partisan benefit in order to get through

Like its supposed to be.

Bonus point. Back to the first. Dems "we love strong diverse females!" Except a strong diverse woman who has the never to think for herself. The second women, LGBT or any marginalized people learn to think for themselves you see just how full of shit they are. Pick cotton on our plantation or you're a Nazi.

1.Look at the thread title, genius (the one I created)- she's an independent. I don't hate her.
2. She voted with Democrats >90% of her votes.

 

[pezzheaddazzler]

I really like her. We need more independents, its the only way to fix the partisan joke we have now

We need a reliable 3rd party that stands up for the PEOPLE and the CONSITITUTION!

 

[Rotadom]

TIL that people still think a 3rd party is a viable option.

 

[ll74]

TIL that people still think a 3rd party is a viable option.

Theoretically it is. It just takes a ton of work and no candidate has garnered enough support to warrant that work.

 

[Rotadom]

Theoretically it is. It just takes a ton of work and no candidate has garnered enough support to warrant that work.

I don't believe viable and theoretical are interchangeable.

 

[ll74]

I don't believe viable and theoretical are interchangeable.

I don't believe I said otherwise.

 

[John_von_Neumann]

There's a strain of thought that America will tend towards a two party system for structural and systemic reasons, and that third parties will always be pushing against those tendencies. 200+ years of party politics seem to show that.

 

[Rotadom]

A new party may knock the Dems down to 3rd.

What dimension did you post this from?

 

[justmethatswho]

Your posting history suggests the word "Russian" is a bit of a trigger for you.
It was not my intent to make you hyperventilate, camerade.

Hardly a trigger. More humorous as a typical defense to those who often challenge with opposing views.

The R words seem to be standard defense to accuse those in question and trying to make a person to defend against wreckless accusations.

Rather than defend or counter with factual information, simply throw a R word accusation at them.

 

[KeithD]

Hardly a trigger. More humorous as a typical defense to those who often challenge with opposing views.

The R words seem to be standard defense to accuse those in question and trying to make a person to defend against wreckless accusations.

Rather than defend or counter with factual information, simply throw a R word accusation at them.

My goodness, that sounds positively Trumpian.

 

[justmethatswho]

My goodness, that sounds positively Trumpian.

Thank you, for making my point by having nothing substantial to say but name-calling.

 

[butters]

My goodness, that sounds positively Trumpian.

i did enjoy 'wreckless'... spelling seems to be a total giveaway for them

#educateamericans

 

[colddiesel]

Why is anyone considering Tulsi Gabbard for even a split second when a female conservative like Nikky Haley is around. I do not agree with Haley on many issues but she at least has a record in substantive office. In particular she knows how to time a resignation. The fact that the media blabbers incessantly about the decorative but inept Gabbard and regards Haley as a footnote, says much about the quality of current political analysis.

 

[KeithD]

Thank you, for making my point by having nothing substantial to say but name-calling.

I made a couple of statements directly to the topic of the thread. I haven't seen any intelligent contribution to the thread by you yet. I'm not surprised, of course.

 

[KeithD]

Why is anyone considering Tulsi Gabbard for even a split second when a female conservative like Nikky Haley is around. I do not agree with Haley on many issues but she at least has a record in substantive office. In particular she knows how to time a resignation. The fact that the media blabbers incessantly about the decorative but inept Gabbard and regards Haley as a footnote, says much about the quality of current political analysis.

Actually, it says a lot about the board Trumpettes, I think.

Yes, Nikki Haley is a far more likely political force for the near future. As I noted, I think Tulsi has strange and contrary positions enough to put off every voter for some reason or another, certainly enough votes on the national level for her not to win a national election.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Hardly a trigger. More humorous as a typical defense to those who often challenge with opposing views.

The R words seem to be standard defense to accuse those in question and trying to make a person to defend against wreckless accusations.

Rather than defend or counter with factual information, simply throw a R word accusation at them.

Well, thank Skyfather we have you to show us teh error of our ways. I stand corrected: slavish devotion to all policies Putin-esque is not ipso facto proof of Russian heritage, it's simply an infatuation with authoritarianism.

 

[Paul_Chance]

Haley/Gabbard 2024 - you read it here first!

All kidding aside, Lovecraft made a good point up there. A third party need not be large - 10% to 15% in the House and Senate would be sufficient to be a major political caucus to be reckoned with, with the ability to take "their" legislation (whatever it is they support) over the top in many cases. Caucus with the D's on some laws, with the R's on others and they would hold the power to advance or stop legislation.

 

[justmethatswho]

I would agree a third party with enough votes to limit both he D and R sides would be great. Though, one thing the D an R agree on is no third party.

 

[Paul_Chance]

I would agree a third party with enough votes to limit both he D and R sides would be great. Though, one thing the D an R agree on is no third party.

Yep, and that ability to choke off the money is pretty powerful.

 

[Wrong Element]

Noted independent Tulsi Gabbard now campaigning for noted fascist Kari Lake. I hate to keep obnoxiously pointing out I was right, but some of you have heads that break crowbars in two, so you left me no choice.

 

[LupusDei]

Gabbard is a Russian Republican. Full Stop.

The moment Russian troll farms picked up her (future) presidential campaign, yes as soon as back in the late 2016 (even before Trump surprise win I think), it was clear her political career was done, at least as a Democrat. In current climate that kind of support wasn't excusable, and Tulsi later fell for their propaganda nicely. Reading about her cult involvement I wonder much less about that now.

Hardly a trigger. More humorous as a typical defense to those who often challenge with opposing views.

The R words seem to be standard defense to accuse those in question and trying to make a person to defend against wreckless accusations.

Rather than defend or counter with factual information, simply throw a R word accusation at them.

Yes, it's sometimes overused and certainly misunderstood, as Americans at large turned out to be naive as kids and totally unprepared to resist an concentrated attack in information spaces. The success of it is (yes, is not was, as effects are ongoing) mindblowing but very real culmination of more than quarter century of consistent work.

But poor Tulsi fell victim in that war. Best she can hope for is that Russian coming collapse after resounding defeat in Ukraine will be so hard we will get a half a decade respite, and she could rebuild a new platform somewhere.

The dreams about viable third party in U.S. are commendable, especially how both the worst and the optimal path at the moment effectively leads to single party rule in the short to medium term, but...

Please vote Democrat in the midterms like the survival of the human race depends on it. It probably does.

((Reminder (mostly for those few new alts here, lol): I'm not an American, don't speak English (only can write) and haven't even visited an English speaking country once, but -- mostly because of acute geopolitical realities -- have developed interest in U.S. internal affairs that at times exceeds that in my own home country's (even as that at times holds some useful micromodel examples, although the Latvian parliamentary system is quite different). My country's security and indeed existence is more dependent on it, sadly. Without having any direct means of influence, it is very frustrating indeed.))

 

[justmethatswho]

The moment Russian troll farms picked up her (future) presidential campaign, yes as soon as back in the late 2016 (even before Trump surprise win I think), it was clear her political career was done, at least as a Democrat. In current climate that kind of support wasn't excusable, and Tulsi later fell for their propaganda nicely. Reading about her cult involvement I wonder much less about that now.



Yes, it's sometimes overused and certainly misunderstood, as Americans at large turned out to be naive as kids and totally unprepared to resist an concentrated attack in information spaces. The success of it is (yes, is not was, as effects are ongoing) mindblowing but very real culmination of more than quarter century of consistent work.

But poor Tulsi fell victim in that war. Best she can hope for is that Russian coming collapse after resounding defeat in Ukraine will be so hard we will get a half a decade respite, and she could rebuild a new platform somewhere.

The dreams about viable third party in U.S. are commendable, especially how both the worst and the optimal path at the moment effectively leads to single party rule in the short to medium term, but...

Please vote Democrat in the midterms like the survival of the human race depends on it. It probably does.

((Reminder (mostly for those few new alts here, lol): I'm not an American, don't speak English (only can write) and haven't even visited an English speaking country once, but -- mostly because of acute geopolitical realities -- have developed interest in U.S. internal affairs that at times exceeds that in my own home country's (even as that at times holds some useful micromodel examples, although the Latvian parliamentary system is quite different). My country's security and indeed existence is more dependent on it, sadly. Without having any direct means of influence, it is very frustrating indeed.))

You make some good points.

I have no dream of a third party, that thought faded long ago. I have seen success only to see the 2 power parties work to destroy the upstarts.

I would wonder why simply voting Democrat in the Mid Team elections in the USA is the resolution to the issue. Neither D or R are a solution in the current state and I tend to lean the D's are more of a threat as they seem more unhinged to me with their thoughts and desires. Though, from the outside, why democrats, I am interested in your thoughts.

 

[LupusDei]

You make some good points.

I have no dream of a third party, that thought faded long ago. I have seen success only to see the 2 power parties work to destroy the upstarts.

I would wonder why simply voting Democrat in the Mid Team elections in the USA is the resolution to the issue. Neither D or R are a solution in the current state and I tend to lean the D's are more of a threat as they seem more unhinged to me with their thoughts and desires. Though, from the outside, why democrats, I am interested in your thoughts.

We're in the middle of a world war.

If Democrats lose this election that war will go nuclear, with very high probability. So it's about that simple, if you do not want to get nucked vote D now.

The "Republicans" or what's left from the hijacked party are part of broad albeit loose international alliance of thieves out to return world to feudalism.

They won't succeed, but they will destroy the world in process, one way or another. Actually, their "success" would likely destroy the world anyway, only slower.

 

[jaF0]

I tend to lean the D's are more of a threat as they seem more unhinged to me with their thoughts and desires.

You make gravel look smart.

 

[justmethatswho]

You make gravel look smart.

Thanks, look around and gravel is the smartest person in this room.