Tulsi Becomes an Independent

[jaF0]

Poll says Tushi beats Mikey.

https://www.newsweek.com/tulsi-gabbard-president-gop-mike-pence-2024-odds-1751423

When two losers are on a poll, one has to come out ahead, no?

 

[Ingenue844]

He's the right's leading candidate, holds rallies, and puts Americans at risk. Oh, and he and his acolytes are the ones still screeching about 2020. Otherwise, you're totally right.

I’ve seen them. And yes, my quote can apply to his followers just the same. But he’s passe. His legal issues are just beginning

 

[Ingenue844]

It's like Disingenuous844 is the woman version of AJ.

Other than the cute play on my name, you illustrate the point that unless someone believes in all the same junk policies as you, they’re on the other side and you must fling shit at them.

Name calling. What someone does when they have nothing real to contribute…

 

[LukSkyFokker]

Other than the cute play on my name, you illustrate the point that unless someone believes in all the same junk policies as you, they’re on the other side and you must fling shit at them.

Name calling. What someone does when they have nothing real to contribute…

Holy shit. I didn't think AJ was capable of navigating two browser tabs at once let alone another alt.

Do you call racists racists? Or is that also name calling?

 

[John_von_Neumann]

Other than the cute play on my name, you illustrate the point that unless someone believes in all the same junk policies as you, they’re on the other side and you must fling shit at them.

Name calling. What someone does when they have nothing real to contribute…

There's a difference between entertaining alternative points of view, and entertaining garbage points of view. One is a matter of intellectual honesty, the other is a waste of time.

 

[Ingenue844]

Do you call racists racists? Or is that also name calling?

I’m not sure what you’re asking. I feel you can certainly label a racist a racist without it being name calling.

But I’m not so blind to assume that only alt rights are capable of racism. Democrats are too. Minorities can definitely be anti-black, anti-minority but it doesn’t land the same. That’s more prejudice without the power to necessarily be racism.

I feel calling me Disingenuous, and insisting I’m someone’s alt, is name calling. You’re doing it because I don’t agree with you. Not because I’m either of those things.

 

[icanhelp1]

Point of view is a point of view, someone’s garbage it’s someone else’s treasure.

 

[Ingenue844]

There's a difference between entertaining alternative points of view, and entertaining garbage points of view. One is a matter of intellectual honesty, the other is a waste of time.

And Intellectual Honesty = Lock step with the left.

It’s easy to see someone who thinks differently than you and say, “Oh, look at the cute dummy.” It’s harder to understand someone’s background and how they filter info and apply it to politics.

Other than being hilarious about my name, I figure you’re just going to purposely misunderstand me because I don’t see everything as you do.

 

[LukSkyFokker]

I’m not sure what you’re asking. I feel you can certainly label a racist a racist without it being name calling.

I agree. Now do "disingenuous."

But I’m not so blind to assume that only alt rights are capable of racism. Democrats are too. Minorities can definitely be anti-black, anti-minority but it doesn’t land the same. That’s more prejudice without the power to necessarily be racism.

I feel calling me Disingenuous, and insisting I’m someone’s alt, is name calling. You’re doing it because I don’t agree with you. Not because I’m either of those things.

You were called AJ's alt because AJ himself couldn't have written a better AJ-esque post. And you just did it again.

Don't tell me what I'm doing or not doing. I don't you to AJ'splain it to me.

 

[John_von_Neumann]

And Intellectual Honesty = Lock step with the left.

We get the point. No need to demonstrate garbage points of view.

 

[Wrong Element]

She's already out stumping for at least one Republican candidate. He's former military too. I think that speaks to where her mindset is.

In other words, she's not an "independent." Which is what I've been saying.

This thread is absolutely filled with "independents" who are reading Tucker Carlson transcripts.

 

[Dribble]

Have fun voting Republican, I guess. ¯⁠\⁠(⁠°⁠_⁠o⁠)⁠/⁠¯ or maybe the nihilist party?

You can't fix a broken system using a broken system from within a broken system. I won't vote Republican. I also will not vote Biden. Keep your head up your ass pretending your solution works.

 

[Dribble]

Which Dem policies have you all twisted up?
Two gigantic ones just passed.

Lol...nothing but paper...they will result in nothing. People's lives will not get better. You simply kicked the inevitable down the road making it more difficult.

I voted for Biden because I believed he would be able to break the deadlock...get legislation to pass the way it should...with bipartisan support. He can't. Therefore, he is nothing but dead weight supporting old mentalities. People like you blame the Republicans. They are Fascists. I get that. But the promise was he would get bipartisanship. He has failed. What is the result you tout as success? Not bipartisanship. Tell me...how can a country survive having legislation continue to pass solely based on one party?

 

[Dribble]

You're tipping your hand here. No one in the Democratic party was taking Hawaii for granted in 1959, when it was expected to be a heavily Republican state (that's why it gained statehood concurrently with Alaska, which - believe it or not - was expected to be heavily Democratic). In its first presidential election, HI very nearly went red; only a recount tipped it to Kennedy by about 100 votes.

And whether you mean it this way or not, "the Democrats are taking you for granted" is a very popular rallying cry on the right for sowing discord among Democratic constituencies. Almost without exception, the people saying that have no intention of doing anything whatsoever for the constituency in question; they just want them to stay home and not vote.

Exactly my point. Hawaii is not what people think it is. Again...why does it matter if she changes party affiliation? If the people of Hawaii supports her...why does it bother you what Party she calls herself? A politician should be true to their constituents...not a party.

Now...why should I vote for a party simply because the opposite party is Fascist? It won't eliminate the Fascism. There is only one long-term solution...and that is the US must break up. Otherwise...you keep sliding down....further and further. That is not OK with me. Far better to facilitate the process. If my Party refuses to listen...I won't vote for them. It is that simple. And I am not alone. You need us. We don't need you. Think on that.

 

[ll74]

You can't fix a broken system using a broken system from within a broken system. I won't vote Republican. I also will not vote Biden. Keep your head up your ass pretending your solution works.

I'm not pretending anything. What you consider to be "working" is not the same thing as what I consider to be working.

Your nihilistic view is great....enjoy it.

 

[LukSkyFokker]

Lol...nothing but paper...they will result in nothing. People's lives will not get better. You simply kicked the inevitable down the road making it more difficult.

I voted for Biden because I believed he would be able to break the deadlock...get legislation to pass the way it should...with bipartisan support. He can't. Therefore, he is nothing but dead weight supporting old mentalities. People like you blame the Republicans. They are Fascists. I get that. But the promise was he would get bipartisanship. He has failed. What is the result you tout as success? Not bipartisanship. Tell me...how can a country survive having legislation continue to pass solely based on one party?

No one can help you with your expectations. Enjoy your flopping.

 

[Wrong Element]

"I am an independent, iconoclastic free thinker, beholden to no party. I call it as I see it, without fear or favor! Now, some independent words about how Democrats are the spawn of Satan, how throwing women in prison for having abortions is 'freedom,' and how making it impossible for black people to vote will save democracy."

 

[butters]

Trump is out of office. Anyone still screeching about him should look into addiction services. The dopamine rush of daily two-minute hates may be fun, but it’s getting counterproductive.

he is out of office, but is still attempting to do all he can to reinstate himself as president. His followers are shrinking in number as more and more of his lies and his crimes are exposed. Since he was responsible for the events of Jan 6th...the attempt to throw away the voting decision of the American public in order to remain in power...and this is very much in the news approaching the midterms, then discussing him and his actions is absolutely valid, imo

A lot of those calling for the whole trump business to be swept under the carpet, ignored, move on, are those who voted for him as republicans but never liked him much. He offends their sense of what it is to be a true republican. And yet, should he be the one on the ticket in '24 they'll still hold their noses and vote for him.

And Intellectual Honesty = Lock step with the left.

It’s easy to see someone who thinks differently than you and say, “Oh, look at the cute dummy.” It’s harder to understand someone’s background and how they filter info and apply it to politics.

i respectfully 100% disagree with that opening statement. Intellectual honesty is exactly that, and comes from an informed, unblinkered place. I am definitely a 'leftie', but fully respect the rights of others to vote 'right'. Democracy demands there is choice, and the path forward for a democratic population is all about finding some kind of middle road that benefits the majority of people. That can only come about when there's freedom and full accessibility to voting so the voices of the people can be heard. The natural path forward will then fall in the lands of the less extreme.

I agree it's harder to understand someone's background etc..., but it's not impossible. People from both (or all) sides frequently rush to judge with no empathy. THAT doesn't necessarily make judgements on people's words/actions incorrect. We can understand where it comes from and see that is EXACTLY why they think that way and how it impacts their decisions yet still know it's deeply messed up. Education is the most valuable tool a population has in its box.

 

[Ingenue844]

There is only one long-term solution...and that is the US must break up.

Reclamation is what a lot of us dream of. It won’t happen. The US won’t break up. The support doesn’t exist. The hoops to jump through are too great.

 

[ll74]

Strong and principled opposition is essential to an effective system. Having dissent within parties is essential as well.

Gabbard left the party for her own gain. Cheney remains in hers.

I find the differences there to be interesting, but I believe it doesnt reflect the party as mich as the candidate. Maybe it's because I see more differing voices (elected and in office) within the left. The right is voting them out quickly.

I find more agreement with those who fight from within rather than those who give up and leave the fight. To each their own..gabbard will have to align with the right if she wishes to have any relevance to the overall discussion

 

[Ingenue844]

i respectfully 100% disagree with that opening statement. Intellectual honesty is exactly that, and comes from an informed, unblinkered place. I am definitely a 'leftie', but fully respect the rights of others to vote 'right'. Democracy demands there is choice, and the path forward for a democratic population is all about finding some kind of middle road that benefits the majority of people. That can only come about when there's freedom and full accessibility to voting so the voices of the people can be heard. The natural path forward will then fall in the lands of the less extreme.

I agree it's harder to understand someone's background etc..., but it's not impossible. People from both (or all) sides frequently rush to judge with no empathy. THAT doesn't necessarily make judgements on people's words/actions incorrect. We can understand where it comes from and see that is EXACTLY why they think that way and how it impacts their decisions yet still know it's deeply messed up. Education is the most valuable tool a population has in its box.

Except…there seems to be projections and assumptions going on in this thread. I don’t see how that is intellectual honesty.

I mean, do y’all really think I’m that other guy!? I’m pretty sure they know that I’m not but want to shut down my involvement because I won’t toe the line. It’s BS.

 

[tnman03]

Odd. She doesn't sound "independent". She sounds like the folks on the conservative right leaning towards extremism. She's got all the buzzwords for it.

IDK, she sounds more like a classic liberal democratic from not too far back. But that was then, today there seems to be no accepted middle ground. But her announcing her departure is more self-serving than anything else so who really cares?

 

[jaF0]

Tushi is just another self-serving flake. In it for no one but herself. Making moves and announcements just to see her name in the headlines.

 

[John_von_Neumann]

Except…there seems to be projections and assumptions going on in this thread. I don’t see how that is intellectual honesty.

On this we agree. In fact, here's a great example of projection, assumption, and intellectual dishonesty.

And Intellectual Honesty = Lock step with the left.

 

[Ingenue844]

he is out of office, but is still attempting to do all he can to reinstate himself as president. His followers are shrinking in number as more and more of his lies and his crimes are exposed. Since he was responsible for the events of Jan 6th...the attempt to throw away the voting decision of the American public in order to remain in power...and this is very much in the news approaching the midterms, then discussing him and his actions is absolutely valid, imo

A lot of those calling for the whole trump business to be swept under the carpet, ignored, move on, are those who voted for him as republicans but never liked him much. He offends their sense of what it is to be a true republican. And yet, should he be the one on the ticket in '24 they'll still hold their noses and vote for him.

Does context matter? In a thread where there may be associations with Trump mentioned, and someone throws him in the mix to shut down discussion, I feel it makes sense to say, “This isn’t about Trump.”

I came into this thread to talk about Tulsi knowing it would be cringeworthy. I agree with Dribble that Kanakas are a breed apart and we probably look like crazed, emotion driven weirdos to others.

I’m also interested in the AAs in the Repub thread but that one makes sense for discussing how Trump has influenced Asian Hate. You see things being swept aside, I feel it’s derailing a different discussion.